#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

G.I. Joe steps on a land mine every time it tries to enter a movie theater.

Not really. The first two movies (2009 and 2013) made a combined $700 million dollars. Critics hated them, but the bean counters don't give a shit what they think.

Snakeyes (2021) badly underperformed, yes.

I think the issue here is that the "80s nostalgia wave" we got in the 2000s and early 2010s WAS financially successful, but it's ten years on, and that's not the case anymore. Old farts like me got our warm nostalgia fuzzies from retarded pop corn flick revivals (I thought the A-Team movie was kinda fun too... albeit stupid... just like the original TV show), and now we're done.

Basically, I'm not trying to argue that G.I. Joe is a super profitable property right now. It's probably not. All I'm saying is that I don't think HASBRO is going to throw away the comic license on an indie publisher.

It bears mentioning, this whole thing is also based on an unsubstantiated rumor that IDW won't continue with the license. If that's bullshit, the conversation is pointless as anything other than an interesting hypothetical.

But let's say Zack gave it a shot and actually got the Joe license. Without making any assumptions about the quality of the work he'd do, I can't help but think he'd absolutely shit on every other project he has in various stages of fulfillment. He'd be so 100% concentrated on G.I. Joe, he'd let everything fall further behind and probably lose a lot more backers. You know better than anyone on this forum how scatterbrained and wishy-washy he is and how he puts G.I. Joe on a pedestal over every other piece of fiction he's ever consumed. I can't see Zack doing G.I. Joe as anything other than a major distraction from everything else he has on his plate.

Agreed.

Personally, as long as he didn't hire Narwhal to do the art, I honestly don't think he would do a horrible job on it. He'd probably capture the essence of the original run better than whatever fuckwad a company like Marvel or Dark Horse would put in charge.

His biggest issue is the logistical and time-management end. Which is a pretty common theme in CG.

And there's where I think this whole thing falls apart. I don't think HASBRO would be impressed with his track record on fulfillment. They are looking at having a product on the market a lot more than they are the quality of the product.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Cash Grab update:

On this now privated "super boring livestream", Frog relates his annoyance with how Cecil is spending full time promoting Anna's calendar crowdfund and trying to rally him and Jon Malin into publishing the somehow botched calendar campaign on her behalf in private DM groups. Both Frog and Malin 'firmly suggested' in the convo that Cecil's energy would be better spent fixing his own disastrously overdue campaign instead of fretting over easily fixed issues for a cosplay calendar, further describing Cecil's behavior as "embarassing thirst". Frog openly floats the prospect of publishing Cash Grab on Cecil's behalf, as he inked art has been done by Donal Delay since January and colored since May. Frog is still under the belief that Cecil is a "highly competent person" in real life and not the obvious, so these developments just befuddle him.

 

[LeonidasTheSpartan]

Cash Grab update:

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On this now privated "super boring livestream", Frog relates his annoyance with how Cecil is spending full time promoting Anna's calendar crowdfund and trying to rally him and Jon Malin into publishing the somehow botched calendar campaign on her behalf in private DM groups. Both Frog and Malin 'firmly suggested' in the convo that Cecil's energy would be better spent fixing his own disastrously overdue campaign instead of fretting over easily fixed issues for a cosplay calendar, further describing Cecil's behavior as "embarassing thirst". Frog openly floats the prospect of publishing Cash Grab on Cecil's behalf, as he inked art has been done by Donal Delay since January and colored since May. Frog is still under the belief that Cecil is a "highly competent person" in real life and not the obvious, so these developments just befuddle him.

What's the chances the reason this campaign hasn't been fulfilled is because the funds to do so have all been spent on the last year of degeneracy.

Whoever backed this just need to accept they have been scammed and forget about the campaign all together.

 

[Analog Devolved]

The next one will be even bigger and sell even better. Once you get the book in your hands, you'll understand why it took so long.

Because it's a fucking scam you piece of shit.

 

[Miniluv]

Personally, as long as he didn't hire Narwhal to do the art, I honestly don't think he would do a horrible job on it. He'd probably capture the essence of the original run better than whatever fuckwad a company like Marvel or Dark Horse would put in charge.

His biggest issue is the logistical and time-management end. Which is a pretty common theme in CG.

And there's where I think this whole thing falls apart. I don't think HASBRO would be impressed with his track record on fulfillment. They are looking at having a product on the market a lot more than they are the quality of the product.

Sure, I think Zack would be a pretty decent Joe writer just based on his passion for and knowledge of the property. And let's be honest, it doesn't take a fantastic writer to come up with the adventures of army ninja good guys vs evil terrorists.

But Zack would be a piss poor choice to publish a Joe comic. Hasbro probably wants something on shelves on a regular basis and not one floppy a year (at best) being shilled by a guy who will do NO promotion for it.

I think the only way YBZ gets anywhere near a G.I. Joe book is pitching something as a writer to whoever holds the license and his name is poison to anyone already publishing comics. So, yeah, he'll never get close.

 

[Steinercard]

Long story short, Frog realized tardwrangling Meyer wasn't worth the trouble since Meyer would fight him every step of the way out of autistic pride and all it would accomplish was bad blood between him and his friend. This realization kicked in when, after weeks of touting that ALL CAPS would be publishing all future Jawbreakers comics, Meyer launched the Jawbreakers spin-off Knifehand: Blindspot without warning. That any sort of agreement was, I suspect, just Meyer's way of ending an uninvited conversation. In any case there are better things to be than the Micah to Ya Boi's Liam.

Zach seems like a nice guy but also a dribling retard at the best of times. I wouldn't trust him to be a good buiness partner at all. Especially with his retarded stance on digital distribution. I'm sure lots of people are lining up to make deals with the guy who will refuse to make money on a whim. And embarrasses the people around him with his stupidity.

 

[jspit2.0]

This is where it started. Idk at what time and i dont wanna look for it, so have fun finding it.

https://youtu.be/U5EuwSqCyXQ

JSG's response video

https://youtu.be/UUzvjR7351k

Nick's response to JSG's video

https://youtu.be/O6bmLiX0pwk

Thanks for the link, I'll do more with this jewel, but my takeaways so far...

* JustSomePedo is really fucking stupid.

Whether its the above listed response video or the initial debate, he makes the worst argument for his position. He's light on facts, and, after saying he's going to high road, he more or less says he doesn't think Nick is ethical and he thinks government daddy is in the right to steal people's shit when he thinks they're being bad.

Although this doesn't sound Libertarian, it sadly is what amounts to that now days. There is this bizarre idea that most people are smart enough to do right. That they aren't inherently untrustworthy and easily manipulated. As if modern times has taught us anything except that if you build a system like the one this prissy faggot envisions; then it will be coopted by SJWs without strict limits

* Nick is salty.

Nick tries to take being lectured by some broke ass black liberal arts kid with a sense of humor. That sense of humor fades rapidly and is dispersed within an hour of "EFAPing" the response. Nick has a problem with twenty something idiot having his stuff taken by the government. He rightly points out that the government taking the twenty something idiot's stuff leaves a bad taste to real Americans and people who aren't fucking morons.

* B-but the coof isn't that bad gayz!

At this point, it would have been helpful if JustSomePedo wasn't some uniformed millennial faggot. The reason the government took the stuff in this case was because it was necessary to combat the greatest national health crisis in a hundred years.

Nick even unwittingly acknowledges this by talking about how bad the shortages were; talking about shelves being empty in stores. The USA has laws, like the one in this case, from a hundred years ago, when things get this bad. There are always dip shits that try to do this. They tried during the Spanish Flu, they tried during WWI, and during the Great Depression. In WWII; labor unions tried to strike in the middle of a war!

There are times were certain activity is required or prohibited. Nick knows all of this, but isn't required to acknowledge it because his opponent is a fucking moron.

* Muh Free Market.

Nick tries to elevate Amazon and EBay colluding to exclude this guy from selling his goods as the free market taking care of the problem.

Forgetting for a moment that Nick regularly cries about Youtube and the free market discriminating against him and peers; why does Rackets have more faith in Silicon Valley and Jeff Bezos than the government of Tennessee? Again, it'd be better if Nick's opponent knew anything about anything; but that isn't to be. Corporations used to have so much power in America that they controlled whole towns. It was free market conservatives who broke up these anti-competitive monopolies and created American Anti-Trust practice.

Far more troubling than a twenty something scalper being forced to hand over medical supplies during a health crisis to the government is an American being unable to access the market place because sellers collaborated to exclude him. What Nick describes is anything but a free market.

Conclusion

I'm exhausted and may return to this later. But while Nick burns Chicago's resident pedophile apologist; it's all extremes from two people who voluntarily appear on streams with TUG.

 

[Mecha II]

Sure, I think Zack would be a pretty decent Joe writer-

Holy shit is CG so boring now we can add Ya BoI-Joe to the list of repetitive ideas?

-Werewolf books
-Westerns
-Ya BoI-JOE

It's been almost 3 pages of this discussion? Does anyone really want this? Was Expendables Go To Hell that good? Are we still fighting the sjws? (sarcasm)

Or are we just running wish fulfillment for boomers on YouTube now? Zack don't care about you.

Feels more and more like quality of the books (subjective) is not as important as the "cause" or supporting a personality (Zack, Cecil) anymore.

Why else would Cecil's Cashgrab do almost $300k? A self insert by a first time writer doesn't necessarily speak to challenging the main complaints of the mainstream's comic book failings. Which, I'll insist is what started "ComicsGate" in the first place. The comics were bad.

CG enjoys supporting Youtube personalities more than a good comic at this point. In my humble opinion.

If Zack doesn't care about you Cecil sure doesnt either when he's too busy Simping for Anna.


For real guys

This might be the worst Arc of CG yet.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Cash Grab update:

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On this now privated "super boring livestream", Frog relates his annoyance with how Cecil is spending full time promoting Anna's calendar crowdfund and trying to rally him and Jon Malin into publishing the somehow botched calendar campaign on her behalf in private DM groups. Both Frog and Malin 'firmly suggested' in the convo that Cecil's energy would be better spent fixing his own disastrously overdue campaign instead of fretting over easily fixed issues for a cosplay calendar, further describing Cecil's behavior as "embarassing thirst". Frog openly floats the prospect of publishing Cash Grab on Cecil's behalf, as he inked art has been done by Donal Delay since January and colored since May. Frog is still under the belief that Cecil is a "highly competent person" in real life and not the obvious, so these developments just befuddle him.

How hard is it to sell a cosplay calendar to thirsty simps? wtf people.

Any idea why EVS privated his boring drawing streams? He had good takes on ESG and the coming demise of the West, but now there's just a bunch of dead embeds across the internet. Good move, Pie Man.

edit: watched the video. Anna is doing fine, it's just Cecil being an incel white knight. That said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with thirsting for Chrissie Mayr. In fact it's right.

Chrissie calendar when?

 

[Mister Dongs]

Feels more and more like quality of the books (subjective) is not as important as the "cause" or supporting a personality (Zack, Cecil) anymore.

"Anymore" implies some sort of change. Expendables and Cash Grab were launched almost two years ago at this point.
If anything, customers' standards for CG comics have risen since 2019 and prior (which in retrospect were virtually non-existent) with an increasingly jaded and thinning customer base. Even if those standards are not necessarily met.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

I do enjoy watching the Frog Peddler but if he keeps LARPing as a god botherer I'm giving up. Recent stream they were all crying comics being rude to people who believe in a Jewish zombie wizard and Gabe was sperging out about how they wouldn't do that about Islam like Charlie fucking Hebdo didn't happen. Also, did he not realise that the Life of Brian is a send up of Christianity? Surely a story teller like him couldn't miss that detail?

You don't get to call people soy snowflakes if your fee-fees are irreparably damaged when people laugh at you for pretending to believe in a bronze age religion. At least pick something like Scientology or Islam (the Abrahamic Scientology) if you're that insecure so people won't risk offending you as there are some real world dire consequences if they do.

Also, has someone told him to stop telling that story about his abusive father tying a kid to a tree? I've not heard it in a while. It never sounds anything but horrendous every time he tells it and certain gives the SJWs plenty of ammo when he conceptualises abuse as life lessons.

Ultimately, I think EVS is a really good person at heart but is ruined at times by his pantomime villain persona taking over.

Also, fuck FNTs and AZ. That weirdo junkie with the beard who always goes on about the time he was in prison must have a thread about him on here?

 

[LeonidasTheSpartan]

How hard is it to sell a cosplay calendar to thirsty simps? wtf people.

Any idea why EVS privated his boring drawing streams? He had good takes on EGS and the coming demise of the West, but now there's just a bunch of dead embeds across the internet. Good move, Pie Man.

Cecil most likely got pissed at him for disclosing a private chat between them.
I have a feeling Frog will fulfil Cash Grab however I don't believe Cecil has the funds anymore to do so.

How does Anna expect to get this 2022 calendar out in time? Are the photos done ? She hasn't even organized a contract with the printers yet let alone start shipping. These calendars could reach backers hands June which would make the concept useless.. even though the majority of simps such as Cecil only plan on using it for whacking off material.

I believe Cash Grab is the last reminant of the old CG and Frog has done everything possible to make CG more professional and about the Comics. Once Cash Grab is finished and his name no longer attached to promoting another unreleased campaign he will move on from associating with these idiots.

Frog has a lot to answer to since he did give these idiots a platform and enable their degeneracy , he was also able to benefit by building a platform off it aswell . But I believe he would love it if all these ppl just went away now that he has an established company. People brought Cash Grab because he was shilling it constantly, I don't think he can just wipe his hands with it and pass the responsibilty to Cecil.

 

[The Coon]

Cecil most likely got pissed at him for disclosing a private chat between them.
I have a feeling Frog will fulfil Cash Grab however I don't believe Cecil has the funds anymore to do so.

How does Anna expect to get this 2022 calendar out in time? Are the photos done ? She hasn't even organized a contract with the printers yet let alone start shipping. These calendars could reach backers hands June which would make the concept useless.. even though the majority of simps such as Cecil only plan on using it for whacking off material.

I believe Cash Grab is the last reminant of the old CG and Frog has done everything possible to make CG more professional and about the Comics. Once Cash Grab is finished and his name no longer attached to promoting another unreleased campaign he will move on from associating with these idiots.

Frog has a lot to answer to since he did give these idiots a platform and enable their degeneracy , he was also able to benefit by building a platform off it aswell . But I believe he would love it if all these ppl just went away now that he has an established company. People brought Cash Grab because he was shilling it constantly, I don't think he can just wipe his hands with it and pass the responsibilty to Cecil.

All Anna has to do is make it a June 2022-June 2023 calander or some shit like that. Do you really think her thirsty simps fans care if it is a January-December calander?

 

[LeonidasTheSpartan]

My issue as a customer of @FROG is he actually believes he has built a company nah has delivered to his customers.

In reality he has only delivered 1 comic. Everything else is merchandise or anthology collections , t-shirts and jumpers and beanies..

How can he think he has achieved anything when he is selling toys and merchandise for a character that so far only has one short story with no arc in it.

I received this realisation when I tried to show this comic to my niece who is for some reason unknown to me into transformers and stuff like this. The only thing I could show her was this one comic and she looked into it and said yeah cool. I told her I'll be getting some PVC toys on but that was months ago and so far nothing has arrived.

I realised by her reaction that Cyberfrog as a character doesn't exist outside @FROG YouTube channel. He has son the promise of a character called Cyberfrog one comic that barely tells us anything about the story and character and he has managed to push a bunch of beanies and two lines of toys and all sort of crap like stickers for a character that barley exists.

The warts and all doesnt count as that's just old shit put together that isn't the same story arc and most of his current customers didn't even know existed.

I would suggest it's time to start pumping out some comics about Cyberfrog and establish the character then trying to sell more merchandise and other crap.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

I remember awhile back there was talk of a @FROG vs @Mecha II debate, did I miss it or did that ever happen?

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

How does Anna expect to get this 2022 calendar out in time? Are the photos done ? She hasn't even organized a contract with the printers yet let alone start shipping. These calendars could reach backers hands June which would make the concept useless.. even though the majority of simps such as Cecil only plan on using it for whacking off material.

Anna should have went for a 2023 calendar and started raising funds when she did, and have each photo showing a bit more flesh just to get that thirst trap dough. Maybe troll everyone by working up to November being something like Red Sonja and, when everyone is throwing money down hoping December is n00dz, have the last photo being her in a burka.

In reality he has only delivered 1 comic. Everything else is merchandise or anthology collections , t-shirts and jumpers and beanies..

So he's pretty much the CG Marvel then?

 

[Mecha II]

If anything, standards for CG comics have risen since 2019 and prior

I don't necessarily disagree with this notion, but with covid and other factors to consider it may be difficult to attribute CG shrinking to just one (subjective) value.

Will Richard Meyer ever hit 10k backers again? Between not livestreaming, Shelving jawbreakers, and late projects, I think it would be hard to nail down the problems and solution to one reason.

I remember awhile back there was talk of a @FROG vs @Mecha II debate, did I miss it or did that ever happen?

Nah, Im pretty sure he pulled that invitation during our back and forth on Charlie's London. I don't think there's a whole lot to debate anymore as I am more interested in seeing CG succeed "warts and all" than being a detractor.

Frog's recent debates with the breadtubers have been pretty bad. If it's not going to help someone sell a book, I don't think there's much a point to that. Given that my YouTube presence has been almost nothing since the SmugPug stream I don't think that would be a draw for Frog's audience.

As much as I don't like some of the move's Frog has made recently, he's essential to CG's success. A rising tide lifts all boats, and I would rather everyone trying to make a comic in crowdfunding be successful. Frog being involved is good for creators of all size in CG. And I very much would like to see ComicsGate continue to be successful. I hope it's good comics being supported, rather than just YT popularity, but that's just my opinion on it.

 

[Shieldman]

Sometimes. Last I heard JSG was getting suspiciously mad over people talking about the "we're coming for your children" song from the San Francisco Gay Choir and on some right wing SJW horseshoe theory shit. Has he been up to any other dumb shit lately? Inquiring minds want to know.

JSPedo was a headliner on FNT a couple of weeks ago. And I don't have to remind anybody that they're staunch anti-cuties, anti-choir and anti-people that Kyle shot.

I'm oddly invested in him pulling a heel-turn and embarrassing everybody even further.
I wonder if the FNT crew will just defend their diversity pet or just throw him under the bus.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

I'm oddly invested in him pulling a heel-turn and embarrassing everybody even further.
I wonder if the FNT crew will just defend their diversity pet or just throw him under the bus.

I don't think it's a heel turn, it's just him reminding people who he actually is. Like when Sam Harris was totally anti-SJW, picked up a load of new listeners to his podcast, and then had to explain that he really didn't care that they didn't like his anti-religion/Trump takes later on.

I do like JSG vids, and the fact he's ruffling feathers rather than grifting like the FNTs guys shows he does have some integrity.

 

[Ike Aim]

Kids don't give a fuck about the 80s stuff Dad grew up on just like Dad wouldn't give a fuck about a revival of F-Troop or Bonanza.

I think the issue here is that the "80s nostalgia wave" we got in the 2000s and early 2010s WAS financially successful, but it's ten years on, and that's not the case anymore.

Kids are into 90's stuff now. Jurassic Park is huge with kids. In fact, they love giant monsters in general. One of the biggest blunders of the past decade was the cinematic Monsterverse as kids also really like Japanese kaiju films for whatever reason. Unfortunately, they made the Godzilla, Kong, et al. rehash initially dark and edgy for an older audience (despite not being particularly sophisticated films). We've apparently got a wave of other 90's property revivals waiting to drop. Maybe a kaiju will sink the Titanic in an upcoming film.

On this now privated "super boring livestream",

Any idea why EVS privated his boring drawing streams?

FROG really needs to learn how to stop deleting/privating livestreams regardless what he thinks of them. That shit is annoying af and not a good look.

How does Anna expect to get this 2022 calendar out in time? Are the photos done ?

Why would you go forward with a 2022 calendar apparently completely from scratch, having never done one before, in the last quarter of 2021? The mind boggles, but Anna's not the sharpest tool in the shed (despite FROG's insistance to the contrary) and this is CG so if it ends up as a complete disaster it's par for the course. It's almost as-if she was talked into it by a certain Simpcil who now feels a sense of responsibility hence the frustrating and seemingly inappropriate level of shilling behind the scenes.

All Anna has to do is make it a June 2022-June 2023 calander

She unironically floated that idea during the launch as people were immediately raising concerns that this was all being done far too late in the year.