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Malin says access to the Frog Show has zero to do with campaigns getting funded and that all it takes is having a great personality
Did you know he has dead women in his fridge? Because Jon Malin has dead women in his fridge. Just in case you didn't already know that. There are dead women in his fridge. They're all chopped up, unlike the other dead women who he hasn't chopped up yet, but don't worry, he'll be chopping them up soon so he can fit them in his fridge, alongside the other dead women he keeps in there. Because, as you may or may not know, Jon Malin has dead women in his fridge. Did I mention he has dead women in his fridge? Just making sure.
 
Micah has almost the same amount of subs as fellow Channel Awesome alumnus @MarzGurl.
And she is a vaccuum of charisma.
If Micah can't surpass @MarzGurl, that's just sad.
Well, she joined three years before him. OTOH, she's hardly uploaded content this year.

That leads me to believe it'll likely happen eventually. Hell, Linkara passed Spoony at some point. Simply because the Spoony is basically standing still.

But yeah, it's pretty bad if you struggle against Armzy.
 
Did you know he has dead women in his fridge? Because Jon Malin has dead women in his fridge. Just in case you didn't already know that. There are dead women in his fridge. They're all chopped up, unlike the other dead women who he hasn't chopped up yet, but don't worry, he'll be chopping them up soon so he can fit them in his fridge, alongside the other dead women he keeps in there. Because, as you may or may not know, Jon Malin has dead women in his fridge. Did I mention he has dead women in his fridge? Just making sure.
So that's what Gail Simone has been trying to tell us all these years.
 
Eh, I don't think it makes a difference. It would push Micah down to #11 but my point that he has more subs than any of Ethan's regular guests (again with the exception of Anna) would still stand.

I tend to think of JSG as being more affiliated with the FNT guys than being what I would consider a CG channel in a strict sense. JSG is definitely CG friendly but the fact that he's pretty much just a critic, isn't offering a product and he appears semi-regularly on FNT related streams and not so much CG-centric channels puts him more in the FNT camp to me. Considering his sympathy towards pedo bullshit, that's probably a net positive for CG.

The Micah thing only occurred to me initially because it reminded me of Jon Malin's retarded theory that you had to "build your channel" if you wanted to have successful campaigns. Malin himself doesn't have 10k subs as of this writing, but manages to have successful campaigns. You'd think this may have something to to with him having regular exposure to EVS' platform, Malin says access to the Frog Show has zero to do with campaigns getting funded and that all it takes is having a great personality and the willingness to stream for hours at a time (you know, just like him). His message to smaller creators was to git gud at YouTube.

Despite having twice as many subs as Malin, Micah can't seem to reach the numbers he was getting when he was a fixture on CAPS. I see he's on his second attempt at funding Englewood 2 after the last one utterly flopped and he cried about having to quit comics. He's currently just under 75% funded with 12 days left to go and has added his version of a Frog Box with a bunch of worthless Englewood shit in it for $200 (he's sold 3). He may or may not make it, but I don't think the size of his channel is the problem.

Contrast Micah with Clint Stoker, whose channel has half the reach of Malin's yet seems to have no problem funding his books (FATL was even a pussy hair from $100k). He is also no longer making appearances on CAPS and hasn't for some time. I think the point is that Malin's theory is stupid and that success in funding a campaign has more to do with people wanting your product than it does having a certain number of YT subs (also it helps to have big timers give you a boost every so often).
It has less to do about the follower size and more to do with follower quality. Sweetcast is the boringest bore in CG. But the people following him are invested into his comics enough to fund them. He is drama free yet out of his 5.75K followers almost 2000 were willing to buy. And art looks what CGers want
Mallin can draw and he was there first. His youtube is... yeah, it is Jon being an edgeboy dramacow and then he mostly livestreams, but people would rather get his comics than watch him. Same applies to most of the pros on CG: You wouldn't watch them (and they have few dead subs like early comers like Micah Curtis - hell, I believe my old YT account is still following him back from 2018) but you want to read their comics, if they ever come out...
 
It has less to do about the follower size and more to do with follower quality. Sweetcast is the boringest bore in CG. But the people following him are invested into his comics enough to fund them. He is drama free yet out of his 5.75K followers almost 2000 were willing to buy. And art looks what CGers want
Mallin can draw and he was there first. His youtube is... yeah, it is Jon being an edgeboy dramacow and then he mostly livestreams, but people would rather get his comics than watch him. Same applies to most of the pros on CG: You wouldn't watch them (and they have few dead subs like early comers like Micah Curtis - hell, I believe my old YT account is still following him back from 2018) but you want to read their comics, if they ever come out...
Yeah, you're exactly right. Your sub count doesn't matter as much as how many of those subscribers are active and will actually buy your book. This is why Malin's whole "build your channel" mantra was so stupid. This is a guy regularly pulling in six figure campaigns telling aspiring indie creators that YouTube is the key to being successful. Meanwhile downplaying that his own indie success came from being the artist on Jawbreakers when Zack was at the height of his popularity and the fact that every single campaign he's ever done has been pushed to the moon on YouTube's biggest CG platform. Yeah, I know he worked in the mainstream but It wasn't like he was setting the comics world on fire when he was there. His main credits were like 5 issues of Cable and a year on another failed volume of Thunderbolts. I didn't even know who he was until Jawbreakers and the subsequent appearances on Ethan's channel. Nobody gave a shit who he was before Zack hired him.

YouTube can be a key element to success in crowdfunding, but his crowdfunding success came from two much bigger channels. This wouldn't be as disingenuous if part of his sage advice included "Get on as many of the bigger channels as you can" instead of acting like he just bootstrapped a YouTube channel and got successful.
 
Yeah, you're exactly right. Your sub count doesn't matter as much as how many of those subscribers are active and will actually buy your book. This is why Malin's whole "build your channel" mantra was so stupid. This is a guy regularly pulling in six figure campaigns telling aspiring indie creators that YouTube is the key to being successful. Meanwhile downplaying that his own indie success came from being the artist on Jawbreakers when Zack was at the height of his popularity and the fact that every single campaign he's ever done has been pushed to the moon on YouTube's biggest CG platform. Yeah, I know he worked in the mainstream but It wasn't like he was setting the comics world on fire when he was there. His main credits were like 5 issues of Cable and a year on another failed volume of Thunderbolts. I didn't even know who he was until Jawbreakers and the subsequent appearances on Ethan's channel. Nobody gave a shit who he was before Zack hired him.

YouTube can be a key element to success in crowdfunding, but his crowdfunding success came from two much bigger channels. This wouldn't be as disingenuous if part of his sage advice included "Get on as many of the bigger channels as you can" instead of acting like he just bootstrapped a YouTube channel and got successful.
I believe he did a Youngblood run too. His advice is valid though, despite him being able to work around it.
 
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Cecil in top form on the latest Flashcast. During a Discussion on Jack Murphy and a spicy moment with Sydney Watson on the Elijah Schaffer show concerning cuckolding, Cecil and Anna had an interesting exchange.

I found it interesting because most livestreams I've listened to its somewhat expected to interrupt each other. Two things come to mind, one Anna is overly angry at the interruption, and two Cecil stammers into his thought without skipping a beat. Perhaps they have been friendly enough for a long time there's no hurt feelings here. I don't know. I think most often the benefit of the doubt is shown. Maybe she's just tired of Cecil as everyone else is? Guess all that shilling he did for her was for naught

BTW Anna was attempting to say Watson would be on the next Simpcast. See guys, she's more than a pretty face, she's hanging out with really smart people. Political people even. Anna the intellectual! A brilliant a mind as she is beautiful!
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So jack murphy cucked his wife or he was cucked by his wife?
 
So jack murphy cucked his wife or he was cucked by his wife?
Jack Murphy gets off on watching strange men rail his wife. He wrote an article about it several years ago and people found it and called him out on it recently.

EDIT* Here is a link to the article he wrote. https://archive.ph/WoJJW
After reading the article the only conclusion one can come to is that Jack Murphy would be perfect for Comicsgate. Maybe he could get a publishing deal with Dark Gift Comics....
 
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His advice is valid though, despite him being able to work around it.
It's easy to work around it when you don't really need it.

So jack murphy cucked his wife or he was cucked by his wife?
Jack Murphy gets off on watching strange men rail his wife. He wrote an article about it several years ago and people found it and called him out on it recently.

EDIT* Here is a link to the article he wrote. https://archive.ph/WoJJW
It took me forever to find the article itself. I think Jack tried to scrub it out of existence but we all know that doesn't work. Murphy sure does have a grift going though. He charges like $3k to teach guys "positive masculinity" but enjoys letting other men rail his woman and yelling at female podcast hosts who read superchats about it. Maybe it's just my baseline sense of paranoia but I also get a distinct glowie vibe from him.
 

Maybe she's just tired of Cecil as everyone else is?
If the latest JACK Show was any indication and you take what women say at face value (and why wouldnt you?), her pimp/manager/cuckold-by-proxy "male friend" Cecil is just being pushy and annoying in helping Anna to spoil a good thing pay tribute to genre entertainment's traditional enthusiasm for celebrating the beauty of the female form and to do so on a tight schedule in the most efficient and profitable way possible. According to Anna, Anna "doesn't have the confidence 😇" for so much of this risque stuff. Perhaps that's where Cecil comes in. Anna needs a hero. She needs a guy who will man-up and help her trade her body for money to lonely men on the internet. But does he posses the strength of character to be a good male friend and heroic ally on Anna's quest of self-discovery?

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The spicy calendar comes as an apparent setback for our own @FROG who until recently seemed to be of a decidedly different opinion on the matter. Turning the entire scene into a coomer simp incubation bootcamp may be a fait accompli at this point, however, as even the much celebrated Dale Keown was reduced to a stammering embarrassment around Anna. Balanced and tasteful Female Beauty Appreciation may be futile in this climate, sadly. We may be stuck with mostly bore-fest ComicsGate Kings (where Anna is EXPLICITLY excluded by decree. ha!) and the various open hangout streams where as a channel or show's success rises, so will it's tendency to be ruined by boobas streamers seeking to monetize male attention and their creepy orbiters, like Cecil (hope springs eternal for a new addition like Incel-o-Vision, where the stricter format and purpose may functionally counter the smell of pussy). Alas, for every 9/10 Certified Geek Girl™ like Anna had the reputation of being up until fairly recently you have within her a 4/10 stripper skank trying to get out (bringing all that comes with it). The difference between the two mostly being in what we never saw (and a $50,000+ yearly bonus for her). Well, now we're seeing it and familiarity breeds contempt. Spend the money wisely, Anna.




Coming as a surprise to exactly no one, next year's calendar will be a bikini calendar - confirmed by the talented internet thotty-come-lately herself during the JACK Show stream - and for this there will be much more time to prepare. No official announcement on a third calendar for 2024 but sources say Anna's team are considering many options for what should visually reflect Anna's final spiritual form one of which may be to represent it by 12 months of various themed re-enactments of the beloved ass-to-ass scene from Darren Aronofsky's instructional after school special Requiem for a Dream.
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If the latest JACK Show was any indication and you take what women say at face value (and why wouldnt you?), her pimp/manager/cuckold-by-proxy "male friend" Cecil is just being pushy and annoying in helping Anna to spoil a good thing pay tribute to genre entertainment's traditional enthusiasm for celebrating the beauty of the female form and to do so on a tight schedule in the most efficient and profitable way possible. According to Anna, Anna "doesn't have the confidence 😇" for so much of this risque stuff. Perhaps that's where Cecil comes in. Anna needs a hero. She needs a guy who will man-up and help her trade her body for money to lonely men on the internet. But does he posses the strength of character to be a good male friend and heroic ally on Anna's quest of self-discovery?

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The spicy calendar comes as an apparent setback for our own @FROG who until recently seemed to be of a decidedly different opinion on the matter. Turning the entire scene into a coomer simp incubation bootcamp may be a fait accompli at this point, however, as even the much celebrated Dale Keown was reduced to a stammering embarrassment around Anna. Balanced and tasteful Female Beauty Appreciation may be futile in this climate, sadly. We may be stuck with mostly bore-fest ComicsGate Kings (where Anna is EXPLICITLY excluded by decree. ha!) and the various open hangout streams where as a channel or show's success rises, so will it's tendency to be ruined by boobas streamers seeking to monetize male attention and their creepy orbiters, like Cecil (hope springs eternal for a new addition like Incel-o-Vision, where the stricter format and purpose may functionally counter the smell of pussy). Alas, for every 9/10 Certified Geek Girl™ like Anna had the reputation of being up until fairly recently you have within her a 4/10 stripper skank trying to get out (bringing all that comes with it). The difference between the two mostly being in what we never saw (and a $50,000+ yearly bonus for her). Well, now we're seeing it and familiarity breeds contempt. Spend the money wisely, Anna.

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Coming as a surprise to exactly no one, next year's calendar will be a bikini calendar - confirmed by the talented internet thotty-come-lately herself during the JACK Show stream - and for this there will be much more time to prepare. No official announcement on a third calendar for 2024 but sources say Anna's team are considering many options for what should visually reflect Anna's final spiritual form one of which may be to represent it by 12 months of various themed re-enactments of the beloved ass-to-ass scene from Darren Aronofsky's instructional after school special Requiem for a Dream.
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Perch's take on the Ellis thing is weird. Warren Ellis isn't accused of sexually harassing coworkers. If he was, then Perch's "he would have been fired for doing this at the office" thing would be somewhat applicable. Lots of us do shit outside of work that would get us fired if we did it at work. If we held that standard to comics pros, then none of them would be allowed to drink at cons or interact with fans in any capacity other than a handshake and an autograph.

Warren Ellis' various forums are not the workplace and Ellis being a comics pro does not mean every interaction he has is in that capacity. Warren Ellis doing cybersex with ugly internet whores who really want to do cybersex with him because his writing makes their twats drip is perfectly fine and consenual. As far as I know, none of the people he managed to help get work in the comics industry are making any accusations against him, so why does he deserve being ostracized from comics? He had an internet personality cult outside of comics which was heavily populated by slags who wanted the "Love Swami" and he reveled in it. None of that shit means he shouldn't have a career.
Because Warren Ellis was a piece of shit human being, a complete and total hypocritical asshole, and the ground zero for a wide variety of the various forms of cancer killing comics today.

Trust me, Ellis being made a pariah is something that was a long time coming; especially since Ellis was at the forefront of the faux feminist bullshit that made him being taken down in a sex scandal all the more delicious irony-wise since it exposes him as the fraud he was and made all of his little elves, who owe their careers to him, even more hypocritical given how they were ALL willing to literally and figuratively suck Ellis's dick to get ahead until it became a liability to them.
 
Because Warren Ellis was a piece of shit human being, a complete and total hypocritical asshole, and the ground zero for a wide variety of the various forms of cancer killing comics today.

Trust me, Ellis being made a pariah is something that was a long time coming; especially since Ellis was at the forefront of the faux feminist bullshit that made him being taken down in a sex scandal all the more delicious irony-wise since it exposes him as the fraud he was and made all of his little elves, who owe their careers to him, even more hypocritical given how they were ALL willing to literally and figuratively suck Ellis's dick to get ahead until it became a liability to them.
I'm fully aware of Ellis' forums being the laboratory from which the woke homunculi infesting comics first lurched their way into the industry. I know that their insufferable personalities were cultivated in the petri dish of his message boards. I'm fine with those creatures turning on him.

My point was that Perch's take about "the office" is stupid because Ellis wasn't being a creep in a professional space. He wasn't hanging out in the Marvel bullpen propositioning interns and jerking off in a cubicle. Yes, Ellis' own hypocritical standards dictate that he be run out of comics forever with no hope of redemption but to pretend it's because he broke some workplace taboo is just silly. He'd constructed a virtual sex compound for his various fluffers and sycophants to gather and lick his e-peen and he took full advantage of it like any musician would a bunch of groupies.

AFAIK, none of the people who owe their career to Ellis (DeConnick, Fraction, etc) have denounced him. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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My point was that Perch's take about "the office" is stupid because Ellis wasn't being a creep in a professional space. He wasn't hanging out in the Marvel bullpen propositioning interns and jerking off in a cubicle. Yes, Ellis' own hypocritical standards dictate that he be run out of comics forever with no hope of redemption but to pretend it's because he broke some workplace taboo is just silly. He'd constructed a virtual sex compound for his various fluffers and sycophants to gather and lick his e-peen and he took full advantage of it like any musician would a bunch of groupies.
Exactly. When Perch says he takes "the middle position", he means he wants to continue posturing that he's 'against cancel culture' while also saying that 'what happened to Warren Ellis wasn't cancel culture', allowing the comic creators that he regularly beams about being in DMs or meeting in person with like some puffed up Leroi to therefore not be complicit in said cancel culture. And if you point out the obvious flaws in Perch's self-serving argument by bringing up basic facts, like that Ellis was a (comic) celebrity banging (fat comic) groupies and not an employee of anything like Perch argues, that the equivalent of a celebrity rapper or musician being the target of a campaign to blacklist them from ever playing at a venue or distributing their music ever again is absurd on the face of it, he starts to cry about how unnamed people are trying to "force him to take a side" and that "the only side I'm on is comics" and other such bullshit.

None of this has to do with Warren Ellis being a cancel culture piece of shit himself who deserved what happened to him, which he is and he does, reaping what he sowed like so much to a grainy 240p webcam from the early 2000s.

His advice is valid though, despite him being able to work around it.
Building your own platform is extremely valid advice, I agree. But Jon Malin is throwing out "sounds like a lot of people out there not building their platform, grab an oar" in response to people complaining that the Comicsgate cause isn't really driving up subscriber counts like it used to, which is rich coming from someone who himself after 5 years is not able to approach Captain Cummings' subscribers and launches his campaigns on other people's channels.


We may be stuck with mostly bore-fest ComicsGate Kings
The slowly brewing Manichean battle for the soul of the Punisher between the character's two creators, Gerry Conway and Mike Baron, that is playing out on Frog's show is steadily getting more entertaining.


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Conway, an old self-described "passionate libtard" here accompanied with a twitter profile picture of himself being vaccinated, is almost a walking caricature of the much lampooned "SJW comic creator" archetype. He regularly expresses his horror that the hated police ("the oppressors") have appropriated the Punisher skull emblem and, after a failed attempt to rebrand it as the Punisher LGTBQ/BLM skull, has endorsed Marvel's recent removal and replacement of the emblem entirely.

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Standing in diametric, equally extreme opposition to this change is the Punisher's other creator, Mike Baron. And while Baron did not co-create the character with Conway in 1978 (which Baron describes as 'originally a shallow rip off of [Mike Bolan's] Executioner series'), he did write what is widely regarded as the definitive run on the character; the template that all following stories about the character would be based upon. Baron is unabashedly pro-cop, is making a comic about the story of police struggling to uphold order during the 2020 race riots, and takes the use of the skull symbol by law enforcement and military personnel as a point of personal pride.

While on Frog's show, Mike Baron has been making hints about his upcoming comic Private America, a sort of synthesis of Captain America, the Punisher and 'American Sniper' Chris Kyle, waging a one-man war on border crime and Mexican cartels, the premise of which makes Frog visibly nervous every time he thinks about it for more than ten seconds.

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Where will it go from here? Who knows. But it's definitely more interesting than most of what's going on in Comicsgate in this fallow season.
 
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Malin never built his platform because he never had to. He branded himself as that efgelord on other people's livestreams and has an army of fans to follow him around on them. He built a platform, just not as his channel.
As long as he is well liked and invited by others he has a platform. The moment he does not, he is in deep trouble.
RAW his advice sounds hypocritical, but I believe the spirit was "it is not my job to sell your book to my customers".
The way expressed is to the point for Jon Mallin and his taking out AR15s on livestreams and proding crack thots to pee on stream.

The punisher situation is a long story, like how Stan Lee created Daredevil but Frank Miller actually made it the Daredevil we know. Punisher started as a Spider-Man villain back in the early clone spidey story arc, then was re-interpreted as an antihero. Both can brag or argue about it, but it is two not-quite-the-same characters.
I would say that the same rules like the Malin "grab an oar" apply here.
 
If anything I think guys like Jon Malin (along with others who's youtube channels have since fallen off like Doug Ernst, Sweetcast and current year Simple Zack) really demonstrate how critical it is to develop a mailing list moreso than "a platform".

Once a sale is locked in, you can then use the IGG campaign update system to announce the release of all future products and just directly maintain a connection with proven customers that way without the youtube content rigamarole. Really, the whole purpose of the youtube channel (or whatever marketing platform of choice) after a point is just getting people onto the mailing list.

The whole "Narzack" thing and 499, where Narwhal made and fulfilled the comic and Meyer's contribution was simply to provide the mailing list made this all clear to me at least, painfully so.
 
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If anything I think guys like Jon Malin (along with others who's youtube channels have since fallen off like Doug Ernst, Sweetcast and current year Simple Zack) really demonstrate how critical it is to develop a mailing list moreso than "a platform".

Once a sale is locked in, you can then use the IGG campaign update system to announce the release of all future products and just directly maintain a connection with proven customers that way without the youtube content rigamarole. Really, the whole purpose of the youtube channel (or whatever marketing platform of choice) after a point is just getting people onto the mailing list.

The whole "Narzack" thing and 499, where Narwhal made and fulfilled the comic and Meyer's contribution was simply to provide the mailing list made this all clear to me at least, painfully so.
Sweetcast was the first to start a mailing list as far as I know. He gave away one of his novels for signing up before releasing Downcast, as a lot of indie authors do.
Malin followed suit I believe. EVS too, having special bundles for maillist subs only.
YBZ uses previous IGG updates to shill new campaigns and maybe has a mailing list I believe.

But yes, these guys pulled an oar back when the river was empty and deep. Now it is full of other boats and pretty shallow.
Main problem is CG doing borestream instead of punching out some high quality* short videos to get eyes on them.

For all the "Simple Zack"s thrown around he is steadily growing his channel. If he took the time to make 2 decent videos a week (instead of one rant a day) he could easily hit new audience. At this point he is hardly controversial, most people into comics will agree that Vita Ayala sucks and Marvel is a joke.

*Meaning watchable
 
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Because Warren Ellis was a piece of shit human being, a complete and total hypocritical asshole, and the ground zero for a wide variety of the various forms of cancer killing comics today.

Trust me, Ellis being made a pariah is something that was a long time coming; especially since Ellis was at the forefront of the faux feminist bullshit that made him being taken down in a sex scandal all the more delicious irony-wise since it exposes him as the fraud he was and made all of his little elves, who owe their careers to him, even more hypocritical given how they were ALL willing to literally and figuratively suck Ellis's dick to get ahead until it became a liability to them.
Warren Ellis is a huge faggot, fuck him. I'm glad he's getting bent over and ass raped, reason doesn't matter.

Sweetcast was the first to start a mailing list as far as I know. He gave away one of his novels for signing up before releasing Downcast, as a lot of indie authors do.
Malin followed suit I believe. EVS too, having special bundles for maillist subs only.
YBZ uses previous IGG updates to shill new campaigns and maybe has a mailing list I believe.

But yes, these guys pulled an oar back when the river was empty and deep. Now it is full of other boats and pretty shallow.
Main problem is CG doing borestream instead of punching out some high quality* short videos to get eyes on them.

For all the "Simple Zack"s thrown around he is steadily growing his channel. If he took the time to make 2 decent videos a week (instead of one rant a day) he could easily hit new audience. At this point he is hardly controversial, most people into comics will agree that Vita Ayala sucks and Marvel is a joke.

*Meaning watchable
There are thousands of people who watch and listen to Matthew Lewis. You can't make this shit up.

Merry Christmas @FROG no one assassinated you this year.
 
If anything I think guys like Jon Malin (along with others who's youtube channels have since fallen off like Doug Ernst, Sweetcast and current year Simple Zack) really demonstrate how critical it is to develop a mailing list moreso than "a platform".

Once a sale is locked in, you can then use the IGG campaign update system to announce the release of all future products and just directly maintain a connection with proven customers that way without the youtube content rigamarole. Really, the whole purpose of the youtube channel (or whatever marketing platform of choice) after a point is just getting people onto the mailing list.

The whole "Narzack" thing and 499, where Narwhal made and fulfilled the comic and Meyer's contribution was simply to provide the mailing list made this all clear to me at least, painfully so.
Meyer is for more miss than hit regarding utilizing IGG's updates to shill new campaign's. I haven't backed any of his books, so I don't know if he's emailing outside of IGG, but his underutilization of IGG's update feature to market his new books has to be negatively impacting his bottom line considering he does no other marketing aside from his YouTube.
 
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