#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

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Joke's on Ernst though. The Roiloup's have even less viewers than Hut does/did, and they're arguably even more insufferable to listen to. I don't know how this is gonna work any better than it did with Hut.

I will give the Roiloups this though: Their hatred of @FROG seems far more "organic," and they'd likely be 100% willing participants in any gay opery against FROG. I don't think Doug would have to fan the flames much with them. In fact, he'd probably have has hands full tard-wrangling them when they get hyper-autistic and say something so outrageous that it causes people to tune out and doubt their credibility.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Yeah, so specifically, in the video he says he's got over 100 large in this endeavor now with another $30,000 still to come (hence the $130,000). I'd have to go back and look at it again but it was unclear to me if that $30k was for warehouse upgrades (he talks of a "racking system" and a/c), website/storefront costs, or the two subsequent books that are apparently in development right now (or all of the above).

All the product could be in that $130k too if we're being fair. I stand by my initial argument back then that he'll spend more than $25k on his web site and store though. Another reason he's shunning the crowdfund sites might be that those will show how much is sold. I'll be shocked if any running sales totals are displayed on his bespoke site.

I guess we're about to find out how well $25 pamphlets sell during a Depression. The timing of this couldn't be worse for YR although that isn't his fault.

 

[GranDuke]

Honestly I'm still struggling to wrap my encephalitic braincasing around this. It's glorious! If it is 100% true that Doug provided Hutt with all of his material while maintaining his own channel and working on comic books that actually meet their deadlines, he's got to be one of, if not the, most efficient and prolific creators out there right now. At least for a writer.

I have seen the screen with 10 emails from Doug, were more shown in some stream? If not, then for all we know Doug didn't send much more than that. Some of those mails have month long gaps between them.

 

[Mecha II]

I will give the Roiloups this though

Did they give it to each other or no?

 

[A nameless trool]

Has Zack really been "keeping relationships with all sides"?
Is there anyone outside CG circles who has any sort of "relationship" with Richard Meyer? Do you think people outside of CG who know who Zack is all of a sudden think he's a cool dude because he stopped sperging about cum dumpsters and isn't being mean to Mark Waid and Kwaanza anymore? He has no relationships outside of CG.

For that matter, does it seem like he has any relationships inside CG? The only person who ever really talks about him is Ethan. Sure, he has professional contact with guys like Narwhal and Kelsey because he needs artists for his books, but the one guy who actually likes Zack and considers him a personal friend is a guy Zack doesn't want to be around in any public capacity. He won't accept Ethan's help or advice, he won't come on the show to bullshit for a few minutes, he won't do anything to acknowledge Ethan in any way, despite Ethan only ever helping Zack succeed.

As for the culture war stuff, Zack is definitely not staying away from that shit. Look at what he's uploaded in the last couple of weeks:
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It's "SJW" this and that. It's gay pride bullshit. It's Twitter slapfights (which he supposedly "stepped outside" of as well). And it's praising Doug Ernst.

I believe the reason he stopped doing livestreams is because he's a control freak who hates having his assumptions and actions questioned and would rather not have to talk about any mistakes he may have made. Even on his YouTube channel he selectively deletes comments that aren't sufficiently complimentary. It's definitely not so he could have relationships with anybody or to get away from the culture war.


I'm reminded of blind hogs finding truffles. Richard has been doomsaying as long as he's been doing YouTube. He'll eventually be right at some point.
We've all witnessed Zack's uncanny ability to reach the absolutely wrong conclusions despite all evidence, so whatever "epiphanies" he may have had about CG were likely worthless.


The thing is, he hasn't really avoided shit. Ernst still orchestrated hit pieces on him by proxy for the last 3 years. People still think he's the comic ripping sperg. All he's managed to do by separating himself from CG and livestreams is hurt his business and that is just a fact. Between dropping CG and making all the wrong choices, I'd estimate he's cost himself at least a million dollars in the last two years. If that's Zack's idea of "big picture stuff", he sucks at it.

Zack has spent a ton of time talking about "SJW Mean Girls" and rimming Doug Ernst's butthole just this week. But when Ernst does some SJW Mean Girls shit directly involving Zack, all of a sudden Zack has nothing to say? He's just got no time for that kind of shit even though that's all his channel is? The economy tanking is suddenly more important but it just wasn't a big deal four days ago when he was recording his lovefest for Iconic and talking about SJW shit that didn't involve him.

I mean, I can get not wanting to be involved in a general sense, but to not even say "fuck you" to a guy who spent 3 years shitting on him behind some retard's YouTube channel is spineless. Zack never did anything to Ernst that would warrant the shit Ernst was saying about him and Zack is just gonna take it because that's who he is now.

It is less about what somebody says and more about what somebody lets slip.
During his 5 minutes of saying nothing YB lets slip that "you tell me I should go to livestreams? This is all because of hours long livestreams". And it probably came after the Nerkish drama.
If you want added layer of Zack faggotry, keep in mind that he comes up with stupid excuses for things he does. He has plenty of money after an expensive lawsuit he settled - and never talks about it.
He was "I do not like livestreams" and he lets slip "it is all stupid drama that comes from this".
And his entire "regural joe in Texas living with his buddy and tending the garden" (and we haven't seen Luna for quite some time) can easily be a smokescreen for something else.
YBZ is a motormouth but is probably keeping a few things (not necessarily skeletons) hidden and does not want to let slip. He only made the video because he could not avoid it.

As for "big picture", guy sued Waid and had Joe Q trying to reach him for a long weekend, he won't bother with CBH.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Exactly right, and it just illustrates what a mean-spirited cunt Ernst really is.

Doug Ernst manipulated a borderline retarded, emotionally stunted patsy to take shots at a guy who not only was in no position to threaten his business, but generally praised Ernst's business model and product on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong, I'll alog Zack all fucking day around here but I'm a random KF scumbag. I'm not presenting myself as some sort of moral paragon who doesn't dirty his hands with the CG riffraff while I secretly talk shit through other people. I don't have my shitheel friends doing livestreams and making videos defending me and telling the world what a good person I am when evidence comes out that I'm actually a petty fuckhead.

In conclusion: fuck Zack, fuck Hut, but double motherfuck Doug Ernst.

Successful indy comic publisher manipulates retards in gayops against his rivals while projecting an aura of honesty, benificence, and moral constancy. I'm aghast. Surely nothing like this has ever happened before in the spotless annals of comicsgate.

Yannowhut, what Ernst did was scummy and disappointing, but does it need this kind of histrionics? At this point in the history of comicsgate it's nothing new, grist for the mill. In fact you might even say

 

[Least Concern]

Could anyone be convinced to do a tl;dr or a timeline of the Ernst/Hut/Frog drama? I'm having a hard time tracing all the threads of gay oppery here.

 

[A nameless trool]

Successful indy comic publisher manipulates retards in gayops against his rivals while projecting an aura of honesty, benificence, and moral constancy. I'm aghast. Surely nothing like this has ever happened before in the spotless annals of comicsgate.

Yannowhut, what Ernst did was scummy and disappointing, but does it need this kind of histrionics? At this point in the history of comicsgate it's nothing new, grist for the mill. In fact you might even say

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TBH the whole Ernst/Hut situation should be important to the Farms.
Strictly for mr Clean Good Guy picking a total retard as his Attack Puppet.
It is a lot of lulz

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Lulz, sure.

Carpet biting? Eh.

 

[Occam's Razor]

About the ICONIC COMICS boys.

Told ya so.

#EVSwasright

(Also - finish your goddamn frog book, fatso! I know, I know - iT's ToTaLly FiNiShEd, GaIz!!!)

This is a pretty deep cut but I have a vague memory of Betty Breitweiser using a sock account to go after Doug Ernst quite a while ago where she was calling him 'Doug the Thug' and accusing him of... some type of gay-oppery. I think it was in the chat of a live-stream. Does any other kiwi remember this and, more specifically, what it was that she was accusing him of?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

• Run a gayop for three years
• Get caught with your hand in the cookie jar
• Don't address the facts of the matter
• Tu quoque that MF'er
• Start blocking randos
• Complain about harassment
• Profit (?) Somehow(?)

Seems like this is pretty much straight from the SJW playbook. We'll have to see how this strategy works, I guess. Especially the last step. Possibly his audience at the EVS/CG audience are now so different it makes no difference? Do buyers of anime tiddie funny books pity buy over harassment claims? Time will tell, I guess.

Though I'm assuming they'll be no transition from Doug to Daphne, alas. Which would be the final bulllet point/ultimate SJW power move.

 

[FROG]

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• Run a gayop for three years
• Get caught with your hand in the cookie jar
• Don't address the facts of the matter
• Tu quoque that MF'er
• Start blocking randos
• Complain about harassment
• Profit (?) Somehow(?)

Seems like this is pretty much straight from the SJW playbook. We'll have to see how this strategy works, I guess. Especially the last step. Possibly his audience at the EVS/CG audience are now so different it makes no difference? Do buyers of anime tiddie funny books pity buy over harassment claims? Time will tell, I guess.

Though I'm assuming they'll be no transition from Doug to Daphne, alas. Which would be the final bulllet point/ultimate SJW power move.

Man, this is sad.

Doug's book isn't anime tiddies, it's Catholic Priest vs. Demons, so maybe his audience will fall for this.

 

[Twinkletard]

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• Run a gayop for three years
• Get caught with your hand in the cookie jar
• Don't address the facts of the matter
• Tu quoque that MF'er
• Start blocking randos
• Complain about harassment
• Profit (?) Somehow(?)

Pearl clutching phase: Engaged

 

[The Coon]

Successful indy comic publisher manipulates retards in gayops against his rivals while projecting an aura of honesty, benificence, and moral constancy. I'm aghast. Surely nothing like this has ever happened before in the spotless annals of comicsgate.

Yannowhut, what Ernst did was scummy and disappointing, but does it need this kind of histrionics? At this point in the history of comicsgate it's nothing new, grist for the mill. In fact you might even say

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Yea this does need the attention its getting. If it were a hypothetical where, say one of the middle tier CG guys, lets say Von Claus, was feeding info to someone from the CG slums, lets say George(the guy who does the cookie monster drawings), and George started using it to go after another CGer and was found out. It would be talked about, but for not very long because both are what you would think of as a run of the mill CGer. There would be some initial shock, but it would die down in a few days and after a week or 2 would be forgotten. Now say CG Mormon/nice guy Clint Stoker started feeding info to Smug Pug to go after @TheCosmicWarrior for that beef they had a while back(something about someone in Clint's chat saying he had JDA's dads dox or some shit) then it was found out. It would be a huge story because Clint is one of the CG nice guys, a "lets all get along" and being an actual Mormon and not just playing one on YouTube, you would expect Clint to have the old forgive and forget Christian kind of attitude. In the hypothetical of Von Claus, it would be more of a "yea typical CGer", but with Clint, it would be more of a "holy shit Clint did that??". We would find out that it was all mostly a façade and that Dark Clint existed, just like we have with Dark Doug. Also, JDA all of this is hypothetical, so if you start running with this conspiracy theory, I will copyright strike your channel.

 

[NSA]

We'll have to see how this strategy works, I guess.

I mean, it works for CG. It always works.

Really, the reason gay ops continue to swirl around CG is because comic fans are too disinterested or distracted to even care who did what and when. It'll be forgotten almost immediately. All Doug has to do is wait like 2 months and any problems he has will be pushed out of people's heads by the 17 new retarded things that will have happened since then.

 

[Miniluv]

It would be a huge story because Clint is one of the CG nice guys, a "lets all get along" and being an actual Mormon and not just playing one on YouTube, you would expect Clint to have the old forgive and forget Christian kind of attitude. In the hypothetical of Von Claus, it would be more of a "yea typical CGer", but with Clint, it would be more of a "holy shit Clint did that??". We would find out that it was all mostly a façade and that Dark Clint existed, just like we have with Dark Doug. Also, JDA all of this is hypothetical, so if you start running with this conspiracy theory, I will copyright strike your channel.

It seems to me that the main difference in this gay op drama and other CG gay op drama is that a lot of people with a distaste for said drama really believed the image Ernst (and Tim Lim) projected.

We all know Ethan put up a wall of Nixonian plausible deniability about his own involvement with his WC gay op proxies, but did anybody really believe it? Depending on who you ask, Ethan already had something of a rep as a brash, grudge holding shit-stirrer and him playing the role of Caesar with his own Praetorian Guard of rabidly loyal faggots didn't exactly bolster his claim of "honesty, benificence, and moral constancy" when they got exposed and tried to bite his hand.

That said, Ethan was also one of the very few people saying Ernst and Lim were involved in faggotry, at least as far back as the incident where Kelsey Shannon said "fuck Doug Ernst" on a stream and Ernst lost his goddamn mind over it, begging Mitch Breitweiser to put a leash on his artist because apparently Ernst viewed "fuck Doug Ernst" as some kind of threat to his business. Doug's harassment got so bad Mitch had to block him when Ernst couldn't be convinced that Mitch had no control over what Kelsey said or did. Even some Kiwis were in the thread defending Ernst, probably because the accusations were coming from the EVS wing of CG and they're all dickheads while Ernst is one of the "nice guys". Ernst knew he had a pretty positive reputation in CG, which enabled him to do dirt without suspicion. He reacted terribly if any mud got on his shiny shield of respectability, even if it was just a fat drunk saying "fuck you" on a livestream.

In the end, Ethan was right. You can't sneak a gay op past a gay opper.

 

[A nameless trool]

It seems to me that the main difference in this gay op drama and other CG gay op drama is that a lot of people with a distaste for said drama really believed the image Ernst (and Tim Lim) projected.

We all know Ethan put up a wall of Nixonian plausible deniability about his own involvement with his WC gay op proxies, but did anybody really believe it? Depending on who you ask, Ethan already had something of a rep as a brash, grudge holding shit-stirrer and him playing the role of Caesar with his own Praetorian Guard of rabidly loyal faggots didn't exactly bolster his claim of "honesty, benificence, and moral constancy" when they got exposed and tried to bite his hand.

That said, Ethan was also one of the very few people saying Ernst and Lim were involved in faggotry, at least as far back as the incident where Kelsey Shannon said "fuck Doug Ernst" on a stream and Ernst lost his goddamn mind over it, begging Mitch Breitweiser to put a leash on his artist because apparently Ernst viewed "fuck Doug Ernst" as some kind of threat to his business. Doug's harassment got so bad Mitch had to block him when Ernst couldn't be convinced that Mitch had no control over what Kelsey said or did. Even some Kiwis were in the thread defending Ernst, probably because the accusations were coming from the EVS wing of CG and they're all dickheads while Ernst is one of the "nice guys". Ernst knew he had a pretty positive reputation in CG, which enabled him to do dirt without suspicion. He reacted terribly if any mud got on his shiny shield of respectability, even if it was just a fat drunk saying "fuck you" on a livestream.

In the end, Ethan was right. You can't sneak a gay op past a gay opper.

Doug Ernst was the bitch squabling with Dan Slott before CG was a glint in YBZ's eye. Is anyone surprised that he run gayops at this point?
The only surprised is he used the most idiotic, thick skinned bitch possible to do his biding.
CBH makes WC look like a Mensa chapter that only accepts members who have no family history of inbreeding for at least 7 generations.

BTW, @FROG is it true that YBZ did not want to go into livestreams because of the drama? Has he mentioned anything to that tune?

 

[Miniluv]

Is anyone surprised that he run gayops at this point?
The only surprised is he used the most idiotic, thick skinned bitch possible to do his biding.

It seems like plenty of people are surprised. Go look at the comments on Thinking Critical's video. Full of Ernst's fans and backers that are just beside themselves that Mr. Catholic Integrity Doug Ernst would be Jim Henson to a retarded Muppet like Hut. The only people that don't seem surprised are Ethan and probably most Kiwis in this thread.

I think Zack was a tiny little bit surprised as well.

 

[A nameless trool]

It seems like plenty of people are surprised. Go look at the comments on Thinking Critical's video. Full of Ernst's fans and backers that are just beside themselves that Mr. Catholic Integrity Doug Ernst would be Jim Henson to a retarded Muppet like Hut. The only people that don't seem surprised are Ethan and probably most Kiwis in this thread.

I think Zack was a tiny little bit surprised as well.

Doug Ernst is a catholic. He probably learned gay-opping (and more gay stuff) at Sunday school.

 

[Captain Manning]

TBH the whole Ernst/Hut situation should be important to the Farms.
Strictly for mr Clean Good Guy picking a total retard as his Attack Puppet.
It is a lot of lulz

Lulz, sure.

Carpet biting? Eh.

Nobody should flip a tit over any of this, but I think ridiculing the shit out of Ernst is entirely appropriate given the circumstances.

The funny thing is that using Hut as a proxy was completely unnecessary (in addition to being stupid AF). Ernst could have come on Kiwifarms and shit-talked Ethan to his heart's content. It would have likely been well received too. Or he could have even done it on Twitter, if he were willing to avoid all the naughty words. If that happened, Orville Redenbacher couldn't ramp up production to keep somebody like @Absurdity supplied, much less the entire thread.

I mean, FFS, Matt Bahr (@robo6) had the common fucking courtesy to dump on JDA openly on Twitter, and then came here to dump on him some more.

Unfortunately, because of "muh optics," Ernst decided to go the faggot route, and he looks big gay now. Good job, Ernst! You retard faggot.

If you ask me, anti-CG has been tripping over their own flaccid dick a lot lately. Dare I say, they've actually been funnier than CG.

Doug Ernst was the bitch squabling with Dan Slott before CG was a glint in YBZ's eye. Is anyone surprised that he run gayops at this point?

In some respects, actually, yes.

Him and everyone else from IC being passive-aggressive bitches towards Ethan and CG is hardly surprising. We already knew that. They largely get away with it because it doesn't seem to effect their worth-ethic any. People will forgive a lot if they get a quality product on-time.

But running a THREE YEAR gay op against Ethan and other CG personalities using one of the biggest low-IQ speds in anti-CG? No, I honesly didn't see that one coming. The scope and breadth of it is still rather astounding.

And let's be honest here guys: I doubt very much any of you saw this coming, either. At least not quite like this.