#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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You're not really looking at this clearly, there are at least 87000 views on that one video for a person who has almost 500k subs, it stands to reason that not everyone who buys that book was on that stream directly. I've seen news stories in conservative media that have nothing to do with comics talking about this. There are a lot of people that will buy this book that aren't even comic fans purely to Own the Libs. This is just a fact of life. There is no credible evidence at this point that July is lying about this. Furthermore, why do we even want it to be a lie?
I don't think anyone wants it to be a lie it just can't be verified and "trust me bro" hasn't worked too well in this space so far. The numbers are staggering and no one can be faulted for raising an eyebrow especially since the store was designed to be opaque in the first place.
 
The first clip is out
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cp9y_iOb-K4
Edit: They're talking about the recent Cruisekino:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5EaFmn1hV64
I watched the entire stream earlier and it was a nothingburger of two scotts talking so I may have lost a lot of what was said

Main takeaways:
  1. Mark Millar is a fan of the Drinker and watches his videos
  2. When drinker asked about "The Message" Millar (who is one of the OG comics SJWs) very cordially disagreed and said something to the tune of "you can do politics if the story is interesting" and that the industry has problems when Marvel is unhealthy because people stop going to comicshops to buy X-Men and Spider-Man.
  3. However MM was very keen on Canvel Culture, which he called "Twitter Assassination" and that people who are aggrieved they are not in comics try to take out the competition. But the public is finally seeing through it.
  4. He also said that Rippaverse (that he only became aware after reading about it making millions) is a great development because new comics selling is good.
Simple Zack made a comment about the part he watched
 
I watched the entire stream earlier and it was a nothingburger of two scotts talking so I may have lost a lot of what was said

Main takeaways:
  1. Mark Millar is a fan of the Drinker and watches his videos
  2. When drinker asked about "The Message" Millar (who is one of the OG comics SJWs) very cordially disagreed and said something to the tune of "you can do politics if the story is interesting" and that the industry has problems when Marvel is unhealthy because people stop going to comicshops to buy X-Men and Spider-Man.
  3. However MM was very keen on Canvel Culture, which he called "Twitter Assassination" and that people who are aggrieved they are not in comics try to take out the competition. But the public is finally seeing through it.
  4. He also said that Rippaverse (that he only became aware after reading about it making millions) is a great development because new comics selling is good.
Simple Zack made a comment about the part he watched
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LmiPFwMuE2E
These words don't belong near the 100 mile vicinity of Mark Millar, but the interview just seems kinda normal & somewhat based from the bits I'm seeing & reading to say the least.
 
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Simple Zack made a comment about the part he watched

I haven't been able to get through the whole two and a half hours

I don't know if I can get through the first two and a half minutes of this "guys guys these people have an accent lawl" cringe.

There was a time when I thought my life was over: nobody's going to talk to me, nobody's going to work with me.

History goes in cycles? Especially ironic when he's so surprised that the Drinker managed to grow his audience.
 
The part where Drinker brought up "Ask me about my feminist agenda" fell extremely flat to the point of being awkward.

The accents were hard to listen to. Drinker should probably write a comic, He's not so different from YR in the "Culture War" sphere and has been writing books for a while. I would be interested to see if its a comparable result, as I think YR's success is mostly to knowing his audience rather than the quality (TBD) of his book. Can any dumbass rant about woke and make millions?

YBZ probably wishes he could interview people like Mark Millar.
 
The part where Drinker brought up "Ask me about my feminist agenda" fell extremely flat to the point of being awkward.

The accents were hard to listen to. Drinker should probably write a comic, He's not so different from YR in the "Culture War" sphere and has been writing books for a while. I would be interested to see if its a comparable result, as I think YR's success is mostly to knowing his audience rather than the quality (TBD) of his book. Can any dumbass rant about woke and make millions?

YBZ probably wishes he could interview people like Mark Millar.
Drinker (Will Jordan) writes actual novels. Real books. I'm pretty sure he'd laugh in your face if you asked him to write a comic.

 
Drinker (Will Jordan) writes actual novels. Real books. I'm pretty sure he'd laugh in your face if you asked him to write a comic.

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Why would he laugh? He's put out sillier product. He has more Subs than YR and he's just as anti-woke if not more so. His books are spy thrillers, not exactly sophisticated stuff that he should be above doing a comic.
 
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Why would he laugh? He's put out sillier product. He has more Subs than YR and he's just as anti-woke if not more so. His books are spy thrillers, not exactly sophisticated stuff that he should be above doing a comic.
He makes Youtube content because he has something to say not to grift overpriced pamphlets. I know that's a totally foreign concept for CG'ers but people like that do exist.
 
Drinker (Will Jordan) writes actual novels. Real books. I'm pretty sure he'd laugh in your face if you asked him to write a comic.

The lolcow who wrote the comicbook with the "ask me about my feminist agenda" called Chelsea Cain has written some real books Will Jordan would go sober for life to write like her. Heart Sick is one of the best thrillers I have read.
Mockingbird... it was a well written comicbook series that probably appealed on too small an audience with a very d-list character. If they had her do an out of continuity Jessica Jones/Killgrave graphic novel she could probably break bank - but good ideas seldom happen with Marvel editorial.
 
The first clip is out
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cp9y_iOb-K4
Edit: They're talking about the recent Cruisekino:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5EaFmn1hV64

Drinker isn't CG or close. He's a published author and hasn't, to my knowledge, ever appeared on CG live or Malin.

Hard to parse through the eurotrash accent.

* Millar actually calling Tynion a great writer is laughable. He'd be a nobody in a healthy industry like the 90s.

* Millar does point to a decline in talent at the big two. He's...not wrong.

* He emphasizes a strong Marvel is necessary. I'll throw this, I think had DC not blown the 80s/90s and made allot of bad devisions they could have been the No 1. Marvel has never been successful in isolation because it had a lack of incentive to improve. None of which matters because DC and marvel have crossed a kindof rubicon. The mainstream American comic industry is damaged beyond repair.

These words don't belong near the 100 mile vicinity of Mark Millar, but the interview just seems kinda normal & somewhat based from the bits I'm seeing & reading to say the least.

Millar has undergone allot of reinventions. He started out as a conservative Catholic choir boy who was trying to be Grant Morrison/Alan Moore Junior from around 92-94 with Swamp Thing, Trident, with his last work Red Son, which while released in 2003 was scripted from those earlier days with a good deal of help from Morrison. During this time he played up his even getting push back for including a prayer scene in a Superman comic.

He seems to have latched onto Ellis and there's a shift in his work starting with Authority. He started shoving homo material into everything, forced cursing, and dumber, cruder plots than he used to. It was all marketed for Hollywood, to get him in good and show he had the right politics. It's funny because Millar comes from a Catholic, British working class liberal background that he's both more in line with the proper politics of Hollywood while having a select view heresies he's dropped since the 90s

As to him doing this, hasn't his star dimmed? Wanted was terrible, Kick-Ass is a dead franchise, Jupiters Legacy was canceled after a season.
 
As to him doing this, hasn't his star dimmed? Wanted was terrible, Kick-Ass is a dead franchise, Jupiters Legacy was canceled after a season.

Wanted and both Kick-Asses made money, so i dont think Hollywood cares if it was't that good. He also worked on all 3 Kingsman movies, and 2 of them also made bunch of money. Logan was pretty much based on his story and so were parts of Civil War. I think one failed project in Jupiters Legacy won't hurt him. He also talked about some projects yesterday and sold most of his rights to Netflix long ago, so I am sure his name will still pop up from time to time. He also mentioned that he talks a lot with Matthew Vaughn, the director, so they could team up for stuff.
 
Ethan released a fully colored image from Cyborgfrog 2 and apparently nobody explained to Kyle how reflections work. The reflections in Cyborgfrog's shoulder and chest plate are the most mindboggling and distracting coloring choices I've ever seen in a comic.

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I tried to do a draw over because I also noticed the arm being off. Seems it has more to do with the right boob not shifting as she's lifting her right arm, but usually you can measure arm length by comparing where the elbow lands relative to the bellybutton. Hers is a bit too far above it in my opinion.


Also, Ethan if you're gonna be trying gay ops with your art, at least get the subliminal penis anatomy right.
 
Drinker (Will Jordan) writes actual novels. Real books. I'm pretty sure he'd laugh in your face if you asked him to write a comic.

Neil Gaiman would advise otherwise; somewhere or other I think he even commented the money was better writing for comics than traditional novels. Possibly Gaiman's information is now out of date, given the decline in capeshit, dunno.

'Course one of the last worthwhile things YBZ ever did was go toe to toe with Gaiman on Twitter pointing out Gaiman's BS regarding the hiring of inexperienced and probably unqualified women as writers and editors of major comic titles. IIRC Gaiman was making these bizarre claims that he was working for DC or maybe a DC imprint with no experience of any kind when he had five or six comics credits to his name plus at least one novel plus several years working as journalist with extensive credits there. (Of all things he had also written a biography of Duran Duran by that point.) Before the Big 2 looked at him. (Man how long ago was that?) All an incoherent way to note Gaiman may not be the most reliable of narrators.
 
Wanted and both Kick-Asses made money, so i dont think Hollywood cares if it was't that good. He also worked on all 3 Kingsman movies, and 2 of them also made bunch of money. Logan was pretty much based on his story and so were parts of Civil War. I think one failed project in Jupiters Legacy won't hurt him. He also talked about some projects yesterday and sold most of his rights to Netflix long ago, so I am sure his name will still pop up from time to time. He also mentioned that he talks a lot with Matthew Vaughn, the director, so they could team up for stuff.

I forgot about Kingsman.

The first KA made money cause it was made dirt cheap, the second was a bust.

The first one only cost 28 million to make and earned 100 mil. The second one cost less (24 Mil) but only earned 60 mil. Still made money, but that's Sndyer DC drop offs that kill momentum.

My impression is he's trying to reboot it in hopes they'll make a miniseries?

CW and Logan had very little to do with the comics they were based on.

I tried to do a draw over because I also noticed the arm being off. Seems it has more to do with the right boob not shifting as she's lifting her right arm, but usually you can measure arm length by comparing where the elbow lands relative to the bellybutton. Hers is a bit too far above it in my opinion.
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Also, Ethan if you're gonna be trying gay ops with your art, at least get the subliminal penis anatomy right.

Hey! He's only had years to draw it man.

Neil Gaiman would advise otherwise; somewhere or other I think he even commented the money was better writing for comics than traditional novels. Possibly Gaiman's information is now out of date, given the decline in capeshit, dunno.

'Course one of the last worthwhile things YBZ ever did was go toe to toe with Gaiman on Twitter pointing out Gaiman's BS regarding the hiring of inexperienced and probably unqualified women as writers and editors of major comic titles. IIRC Gaiman was making these bizarre claims that he was working for DC or maybe a DC imprint with no experience of any kind when he had five or six comics credits to his name plus at least one novel plus several years working as journalist with extensive credits there. (Of all things he had also written a biography of Duran Duran by that point.) Before the Big 2 looked at him. (Man how long ago was that?) All an incoherent way to note Gaiman may not be the most reliable of narrators.

The greatest con job pros ever pulled was that they didn't receive fair compensation.

You write or draw a comic in less than a year, unless your Frog. You get paid, usually pretty decently if you aren't a nobody with zero time spent. Then, if your work does well, they cut you in on a percentage of the floppy sells. Then, if they collect the work, they cut you in on that as well. Then if you came up with an idea and that gets used; they again cut you check for every time they use it. Games, cartoons, movies. You get a piece if you create something; even if it is probably derivative unless you just outright rip something off.

So for a month of work, for a writer maybe a week, you will get a steady stream of income for literally the rest of your life and probably after you die if your stuff takes off. That doesn't even begin to get into original artwork. To be clear, that's artwork DC/Marvel et al paid you to draw/ink. McFarlane et al made a fortune off of Spidey/X-book art that they were paid millions by those companies to create.

Comics pays well even if you aren't Gaiman. A Gaiman related story, McFarlane paid him...I think a 100,000 grand for one script in the 90s. A novel is hundreds of pages of work over months. That script can't have taken Neil two weeks at most. Add to that he got a McFarlane designed character out of the deal and you tell me. Are Writer/Artists compensated well?
 
So it looks like Shea the Red and CG resident troon Cyborg Valkyrie have had enough of Unstitched creator Justin Dutton's lack of updates for his campaign. The campaign in question hasent been updated since December 1st 2020. I know what you are thinking "blah blah, late CG book, who cares". The reason I bring this up is that Shea and Cyborg are very big supporters of CG, especially smaller CG creators. They have many creators on their shared channel Red Valkyrie, a lot of them even launching campaigns on their channel and they also hold a full day long art auction every few months(maybe quarterly?). These arent your normal CG plebs, these are well connected CGers who are calling another CGer out for lack of updates and late book. The whole thing was prompted when Marcel Dupree asked if it was weird to show backers getting rewards and Dutton responded with "No".
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Wanted and both Kick-Asses made money, so i dont think Hollywood cares if it was't that good. He also worked on all 3 Kingsman movies, and 2 of them also made bunch of money. Logan was pretty much based on his story and so were parts of Civil War. I think one failed project in Jupiters Legacy won't hurt him.
Mark Millar is a genius when it comes to networking A-list artists and getting studios to options his comics into movies. Actually writing comics, not so much. Wanted, Civil War, Ultimates and Old Man Logan the comics bear zero resemblance to the superhero blockbusters that they were eventually developed into and if you read them you'd support Hollywood in making that decision.

Him siding with politics being put in comics is no surprise given that it's coming from the author of Civil War, which set off dozens of screeds by liberals, mad about the Bush presidency, lionizing anti-government law enforcement figures like Captain America and his position that heroes should be wholly unaccountable to a democratically elected government and vilifying Iron Man for being a fascist government stooge. Which is kind of the opposite of their position in the current decade what with #BLM and all that.



Speaking of comic book movies.


Rolling Stone put out a news article a couple of days ago about how they obtained the results of an internal investigations by Warner Media looking into Zack Snyder and his involvement with the "Snyder Cut"; concluding that Snyder, after absconding with all the Justice League footage and working on it in secret, surreptitiously hired ad firms, social media managers and bots for the purpose of astroturfing a fan movement for the "Snyder Cut" after the Warner Brothers board of directors told him his 4 hours of super serious grimdark capeshit was "unwatchable", and watching themselves get BTFO by the MCU for 5 solid years, replaced Snyder with sex pest male feminist ur-SJW Joss Whedon.

This is not very unsurprising if you think about it for more than a few minutes: how did the fanbase know that a "Snyder Cut" existed on a pile of hard drives Zack Snyder smuggled out from the WB building other than Snyder disseminating this information to people? The report also accuses Cyborg actor Ray Fisher of coordinating with Snyder in a public media campaign to oust Snyder as well as Johns and Fisher. There was also repeated words about how Snyder vowed to personally destroy Geoff Johns and Jon Berg for not removing their producer cuts off "his cut". At least Snyder didn't work with Comic Book Hut.

Warner Brothers estimates the costs Snyder inflicted on them by leveraging social media to force them to refilm and redistribute the 2017 box office bomb Justice League to the tune of 100 million dollars. So I don't think there's going to be a return to the "Snyderverse" any time soon and, thanks to this very convenient exclusive leak to Rolling Stone, there's not going to be much of Zack Snyder being allowed near a blockbuster at all, anywhere, ever.


The majority of the NPC mindslaves and opportunistic culture war grifters seeking to hitch their wagon on the Snyder Cut "movement" are predictably framing this as "Zack Snyder ATTACKED by Rolling Stones"[sic].

Unusually, Comicsgate goes against the grain in this by finding itself inadvertently on the side of unlikely figures like MechaRandom and Joss Whedon. Not out of some sort of moral basis, but because Frog gets an equal share of the extremely generous IP royalties Geoff Johns manages to secure using his position of Executive Producer. It never occurs to Frog why Graham Nolan is on his stream complaining about he didn't get paid jack shit in royalties for creating Bane for the Dark Knight Rises while he got paid 80,000 for Justice League mentioning Iron Heights prison. Something to do with Johns? Nah, it's because he just must have negotiated his contract better than Nolan.

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Finally, CBR released this call for Marvel to retcon Kamala Khan as a mutant in the comics as well as the MCU, so that this allegedly "breakout" character can escape it's current sales abyss (not very breakout if you ask me) by latching the property onto the X-Men and away from Carol Danvers, who has been rendered a toxic property on account of having "been dogged by largely Comicsgate-generated controversies in comics and on-screen" as well as the disastrous forced Inhumans push, which CBR is now acknowledging as a disaster 8 years after the fact. Very entertaining article on account of the scale of what it's indirectly admitting ("Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel are known toxic properties and commercial failures AND THIS IS HOW TO FIX IT").
 
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