#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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YesNoMaybe said:
Yellow Flash's stream currently is a Star Wars tier rankings right now. About as low effort a topic you can possibly think of in the wake of Frog nuking his ass over his artist working with no pay.
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His artist is working on a split of the profits. So it's not no pay. It's the artist taking some fucking risk for a bigger pay day. Which is what 99.9% of fucking people in the real world do. You want that stable paycheck, go work nine to five. This guy didn't do a page rate. He chose a fucking profit split. Which was stupid when the guy in question wasn't going to follow the EVS model of forcing his retarded faggy pay pigs to bear all the cost for a product years in advance.

And before anything else, fuck Flash, dude's a grifting piece of shit, but this was Frog pissy because Rappa or whatever put out a project on time in a professional manner.
 
Fascist Kirk said:
How about we make cool quality books and not worry about titles and judge individuals based off character and actions?
Shane Davis, for example, thinks he's a legit entertainer instead of a semi-likable goofball with a tiny Youtube audience.

Danger Vanessa has the dm's to the Riot Press DM room and she is cherry picking some leaks one person at a time, keep in mind there are 500 pages of dm's out there. Danger Vanessa has DM's of Kelsy saying fuck Ethan and such .... no context so show the fucking 500 page

Renie didn't sign up for all this catty drama when she joined CG. I hope she doesn't just leave because of what she saw in that room.
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Jon malin did a live stream supposedly Renie didn’t say much in that leaked dm room. I saw you mention camel moon he also participated a bit in the dm room hurled some insults not revealed what he said but considered to be guilty by EVS which is funny cuz camel moon insults people all the time on his own show. The rest of the stuff was really boring imo.
 
I saw malin streaming and he's streaming to a bigger audience than flashcast (1700 vs 2200) but from what I see flash decides to do generic talk while malin/evs/shane decides to do a drama group hug. So looks like cg has completely cut itself off from flash/tug/fnt/g+g, which possibly also means also includes people like shad/mauler/az/midnightedge/etc?

CG itself seem to be currently going through struggle sessions to excise the smaller CG creators that isn't kissing EVS/Malin/Shane's ring. Seems like they're asking their audience to report any activity, including if they see anyone they dont like posting on KF? Like asking if they've seen smiller posting on KF and what not. Narwhal and biggons got struggle sessioned by EVS and relented, not sure what of kelsey other than him saying fuck you to EVS, PTP seems to be the main punching bag and his main crime seem to be not acting well on streams and asking EVS offline to get malin to ease off on him, whether he makes good comics didn't seem to actually matter.

On stream, malin dismissed the reine stuff cause he claims that all of it is done on stream so it's fine. EVS admits that CG is just him and his friends, anyone who doesn't like it can leave as he laughs. If you think EVS and co are bullying you, you can go. I seem to recall EVS previously saying that you dont choose to be CG, the left labels you as one but now the message seems to be "if you're not with us you're against us"?

Anyway, it looks to me all of this boils down to the fact that CG comics sell based on stream personality, the art quality is just an excuse. For the majority of CG audience, having the books is a pledge of allegiance, not because they want to read the book. This shit is a fucking cult. The smaller creators hate doing the CG stream shit because they wanted to draw books but the proclaimed leaders of CG wants them to follow their footsteps of being a monkey on camera to convince you it's worth the read. The big CG guys don't care since they still collect their superchats. Another problem I see is that the big CG guys act 'based' on stream to counter the SJWs plaguing the mainstream comics so they behave as un PC as possible and the smaller personalities just become their punching bags.

The smaller CG creators thought EVS has comic readers as an audience and they got fooled. I wanna say Eric is doing the building the platform part but he's doing it using his stream personality too. EVS seems to have a publishing house but again, it seems to be a kiss his feet or he'll destroy you now that he's aware you exist kind of deal. Murrican comics are just doomed. There's no audience imo.
 
I passed out after Flash's Monologue at the beginning of the flash cast. I thought he responded well, and having TSWG on was smart move. I saw super chats rolling in pouring fuel on the Drama fire.

Ethan raked in $2000 to review Isom 2 later next week, Reinbro the brute gained over 5k to put it over $500,000. Imagine you bought this campaign 3 years ago before the inflation really kicked in, these new backers are getting a 21 percent discount, and may actually get a copy to they're kids before they reach adulthood.

Still have to catch up on Jon Malin's stream, was it a nothing burger, or was it worth listening to? This keeping up on the CG Civil war, and The Rippaverse war, is almost feeling like a job, allot of jaw boning, and very little pay out. I want IBS, I want to see tears, not some koala tears, I want to see Big grifter tears. If by the time this autistic slap fight is over and July, EVS, Vito, Yellowflash or Tug is not crying, or loss of his paypigs, I am going to be pissed off ........ To much lead up not enough pay out!.
 
Yeah, Frog said aside from core people, anyone else is interchangeable. He said if Zach wanted back in, he'd have a seat at the table.

This is the difference between ComicsGate the YouTube brand of asorted shows/channels Frog fronts and then the broader 'idea of Comicgate' whatever the fuck that is.

Malin hand waves the Kickstarter stuff as PTP wanting to sell toys, rather than smaller creators trying to gain traction on books. He seemed very dishonest at that moment.

I don't know how big the pie for Eric's side of the coin will be and how long it can last (can it extend beyond the Rippaverse, how far can you stretch those FNT paypig's coin?). And Eric has said he's not interested in promoting others, as that's 'not him' awhile back when that was one of Frog's talking points against him. Yellow Flash really seems in very mushy reaction mode and his stream was boring. How many times has Yellow Flash said this is the last time I'm addressing this? The Star Wars stream felt like a topic of the week on a creatively bankrupted channel. Especially when there's no current Star Wars content? Frog's point about entertainment is one thing I can agree with as I was zoning out listening to old rehash points about Disney Star Wars.

Dillard did take to twitter and confirm the terms of his/Flash's book. 40% of the book. If they get the FNT/Eric backings, they should do fine. He did go out of his way to not to attack Frog. What a crazy tangled web all this is.
 
YesNoMaybe said:
Yeah, Frog said aside from core people, anyone else is interchangeable. He said if Zach wanted back in, he'd have a seat at the table.

This is the difference between ComicsGate the YouTube brand of asorted shows/channels Frog fronts and then the broader 'idea of Comicgate' whatever the fuck that is.

Malin hand waves the Kickstarter stuff as PTP wanting to sell toys, rather than smaller creators trying to gain traction on books. He seemed very dishonest at that moment.

I don't know how big the pie for Eric's side of the coin will be and how long it can last (can it extend beyond the Rippaverse, how far can you stretch those FNT paypig's coin?). And Eric has said he's not interested in promoting others, as that's 'not him' awhile back when that was one of Frog's talking points against him.
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The difference is he's actually hiring and giving jobs to people. That was a big reason the faggy Jersey bitch did this stream last night. It was see, remember back when you actually had to WORK? July will make you earn your keep. By contrast, Frog will let you rip off the CG peasants.

So the big conflict is allot of those CG people with actual talent, the ones Frog is proud of, kinda want July to do the work promoting and the business end and to get themselves a piece of ISOM et al. That's why he brought up the comp issues, art, and what have you.

As far as donos, it's a question for both sides. Frog's mad he can't get access to FNT, which should tell you which side is the bigger money pot. This whole thing is the result of a fat, entitled retard insulting another fat entitled sped then acting surprised when they kicked him to the curb. He's now stuck, cut off from a large, pay piggy farm and forced to look outside. People have acted surprised when I suggest it, but I noticed some Dax people in the chat.

YesNoMaybe said:
Yellow Flash really seems in very mushy reaction mode and his stream was boring. How many times has Yellow Flash said this is the last time I'm addressing this? The Star Wars stream felt like a topic of the week on a creatively bankrupted channel. Especially when there's no current Star Wars content? Frog's point about entertainment is one thing I can agree with as I was zoning out listening to old rehash points about Disney Star Wars.
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Yeah, the FNT crowd are generally boring as fuck. But there pay piggies like it because they get to send in superchats and are convince that's fighting duh culture warz!

No different from Frog, or Rackets or Flash. No one here deserves your respect.

YesNoMaybe said:
Dillard did take to twitter and confirm the terms of his/Flash's book. 40% of the book. If they get the FNT/Eric backings, they should do fine. He did go out of his way to not to attack Frog. What a crazy tangled web all this is.
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Flasher has his own, sizable crowd just like the umbrella guy left from Weeb Warz. Combine that and that's why Dillard was SO gung ho for the project. You also missed the best part, which Flash being Flash, didn't punch through. He OFFERED, though he wasn't obligated to, to swap the compensation model and pay Dillard. Dillard turned it down because, despite his sob story, HE WANTS THAT PROFIT SHARE!

Dillard's being slimy, wanting to be friends with all sides. In my opinion Flash should see the current project through, then after Dillard gets his pay, make it clear he's never dealing with CG talent again. It's just like Cannan White and what have you, tell talent you want an official I'm not CG before they work with you.
 
So EVS's shocking and sickening news was that Dillard is the beneficiary of half the profits from (potentially) a million dollar campaign? Something that we've all known for half a year?

Goes to show how detached EVS and his audience are from the rest of CG. If it doesn't happen on an EVS stream, it doesn't exist. Which makes it extra pathetic when Z-rate personalities like Dillard and DarkGift rush to defend the big guys.

Weaponizing Dillard to attack YF and mobilizing all of CG to get their deal nuked is great though. Watching a psycho like EVS try to act empathetic is always kino content. I'm sure Dillard is thrilled that CG is cucking him out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Best moment
Superchatter: Did you talk to Dillard before doing this stream?
EVS: No, I don't even know him!

LOL. LMAO even.
 
That Other Dude's Persona said:
So EVS's shocking and sickening news was that Dillard is the beneficiary of half the profits from (potentially) a million dollar campaign? Something that we've all known for half a year?
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He sold it well. He made this huge sob story about how Dillard had a household accident interrupting Christmas, which is tragic. But has NOTHING to do with Flash.

Then Frog started in, DEMANDING Flash pay upfront despite the fact that was offered and Dillard wanted a share of the profits, which is where things get SPICY.

Frog pivots, insisting that Flash HAS to crowdfund BEFORE Dillard has finished the book! It's one thing for July, who pays people up front, but Flash can't afford that so he should crowdfund a book that isn't remotely even created yet! Because then Dillard would have had his half BEFORE actually doing the work.

What's really disgusting and tone deaf, is Frog started his stream bragging about his and CG basically being comic pro swamp creatures. Can you imagine basically admitting you were at DC until they forced you out? Part of the group that ruined American comics and you didn't leave voluntarily but had to be kicked out?

It's that sense of entitlement that, despite my complete lack of interest or regard for July, I've come to loathe from the CG side and why July is beating them. You don't deserve 50 free issues of ISOM or residuals because I paid you nearly 5,000 dollars for a single cover of stilted pin up art. You got a great pay day off that. You worked maybe three or four days and made more than most people make in a month.

That Other Dude's Persona said:
Goes to show how detached EVS and his audience are from the rest of CG. If it doesn't happen on an EVS stream, it doesn't exist. Which makes it extra pathetic when Z-rate personalities like Dillard and DarkGift rush to defend the big guys.

Weaponizing Dillard to attack YF and mobilizing all of CG to get their deal nuked is great though. Watching a psycho like EVS try to act empathetic is always kino content. I'm sure Dillard is thrilled that CG is cucking him out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Best moment
Superchatter: Did you talk to Dillard before doing this stream?
EVS: No, I don't even know him!

LOL. LMAO even.
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Yeah, like I said, it's understandable a guy like Dillard wants to avoid offending anybody, but if I'm July or Flash, I basically dump him after this shit. Good employees don't help a fat Jersey sped libel there company.
 
jspit2.0 said:
Frog pivots, insisting that Flash HAS to crowdfund BEFORE Dillard has finished the book! It's one thing for July, who pays people up front, but Flash can't afford that so he should crowdfund a book that isn't remotely even created yet! Because then Dillard would have had his half BEFORE actually doing the work.
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I forgot that he made a point against partner deals in general! As if any sane creator would want 10k dollars when there's hundreds of thousands in play. What a winning argument!

In hindsight, the one comic book pro that is probably a genius is Rocafort. The guy has tapped into the CG well while completely bypassing EVS, leaving EVS begging him to come on his stream.
Kenneth knew what was up! Killer art delivered on time too. Truly embarrassing for EVS on every level.
 
Yesterday was a great act by Ethan. If you watched him for the first time, you'd actually think he was being sympathetic. But everyone else knows thats not the case and he was just playing a good guy, thats concerned about the Dillard guy, who he never mentioned before... And why does he even have anything to say about what kind of payment Flash and Dillard have agreed to. Its not Flashes fault that Dillard has personal problems. The guy accepted the % of the book, which should be a lot and thats it. You can see how Ethan didn't really have anything smart to say after he learned that. He was still like, ''yea, but you need to pay the man Flash!''.... Flash did say that he did offer Dillard money, but the guy refused it. Oh, and the best part is that Flash told Ethan about Dillard, and after checking his art, Ethan told him to ditch him, and how Ethan will get him some CG creator. Now, this is all coming from Flash, but even if the guy's an idiot, I still think its true... Ethan just wants drama. You could see it yesterday when he was asking the chat, ''Do you guys like this kind of streams?''. All the guy wants is money from stupid people in the chat, while talking bullshit about everyone else. I'm sure it felt good yesterday, when he saw he has 3k viewers and got more than 2k in superchats. The idiots also pushed his Rainbow the Brute campaign over 500k, which is a joke, as that shit is late more than 2 years. Him doing more streams will also just make all of his projects very, very late. But at least he can say how his books have quality. I really don't know how people fall for this bullshit.. Feel bad for all the new people that watched him yesterday and backed his stuff. They will be lucky if they get anything by 2026... Best thing everyone could do is to just stop mentioning Ethan, just like the FNT crew did, no matter how many times he cries for their attention and calls them zeroes. Flash is unfortunately too retarded to do it, so this stupid beef will keep on going for a bit... But the circle is getting narrower for Ethan. Theres pretty much no one he can throw under the bus anymore. All he has is Malin and Shane... So lets see who will be next.


here's some of Flashes and Dillards tweets about all of this, which just shows that none of this is Ethans business.

 
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Eric unprivated his stream by the way. I downloaded a copy of it in case it disappeares again
He also published this clip.
 
Yosha said:
Oh, and the best part is that Flash told Ethan about Dillard, and after checking his art, Ethan told him to ditch him, and how Ethan will get him some CG creator.
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This is too perfect (if true).
I know that Dillard was recommended to YF by DarkGift and EVS himself claimed he doesn't know Dillard, so it's entirely plausible. :story:

Yosha said:
And why does he even have anything to say about what kind of payment Flash and Dillard have agreed to.
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"Don't count my money" and "Build your own platform" only apply to others.

Yosha said:
All he has is Malin and Shane... So lets see who will be next.
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My bet's on Shane.


EDIT: Anyone got a Flashcast mirror?

EDIT 2: The tweet Yosha mentioned:
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I'm not a YF fan. I think he's boring and a drunk (good for him if he's trying to reign that shit in). However, he's very active in smaller creators' chats and I always see him advertising small CGers. I also haven't seen him go back and forth on the Pedo Question, unlike EVS.

This whole thing is just the latest manifestation of the clash between CG as a grassroots movement versus CG as Ethan's personal comic book pro retirement home. This is a great tweet.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Is he the guy who's house recently flooded? If so, they brought up the crowdfund for him a few days ago when I tuned in for the first time in a loooong time and EVS said he had never even heard of him.
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I think that’s probably the evil dastardly no goodnik PTP. Who was doing a close out stream for a campaign a few days afterward where Jon Malin came on, did his heel “act” and said he was glad Patrick’s house got destroyed.

Can’t imagine why that guy has an axe to grind
 
chalkyresidue said:
I think that’s probably the evil dastardly no goodnik PTP. Who was doing a close out stream for a campaign a few days afterward where Jon Malin came on, did his heel “act” and said he was glad Patrick’s house got destroyed.

Can’t imagine why that guy has an axe to grind
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Apparently Dillard also had his house flooded a couple of weeks ago.
That PTP Johnny Phantasm closeout and the hurricane happened even before the Pitt Omnibus drama, if I remember correctly. What a rascal that Jon Malin is.

The way they celebrate their critics' deaths, cancers, immolations, floods etc, people will be organizing pilgrimages to piss on Ethan's grave when he croaks.
 
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