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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Unless you work in an insane asylum and are treating someone with coprophagy. But I suppose that goes without saying.
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Maybe youre right. If he isnt the catalyst to this, then what exactly is?
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Oh boy, manchildren vs. womynchildren.
While the retards argue over whether or not their inaginary friends should be Muslim, transblack Mexicans or White, womanizing chads, I'll just hang out in my corner and watch the autistic fireworks happen. (Keep in mind, I hate how hamfisted characters like FemThor are, but spergs are fun to mess with)
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There was no true "catalyst" to this. Frustration has been building up for several years now over the low quality writing and shoehorned in diversity characters. Many creators on twitter also got comfortable shit talking fans. Eventually, more and more fans starting speaking out. D&C got popular because he was saying stuff that a lot of other fans agreed with, and kind of got unwillingly thrust into the center of all this, but he didn't actually start it.
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ah that makes more sense. All I knew from him is he went to a con and some retarded writers wanted to trigge rhis PTSD to get him to hit someone or something then suddenly comicgate.
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I don't even get why this is called comicsgate. At least GG had something of a scandal attached to it (but even then it didn't fucking matter because it was about the tripe that is "video game journalism"). This is just the decay of a medium brought about by political parasites, and they're doing it openly too.
If you want no one outside of fellow retards to care about your movement, suffix it with -gate.
If you want no one outside of fellow retards to care about your movement, suffix it with -gate.
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No one.
Well, maybe chuck austen in mid 00s, Austen go in a crusade against internet's comic book fans while he was in marvel.
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Some people see it as an extension of the culture wars that began with Gamergate.
Actually, some other people wanted to name it #ComicLiberty, and even went to the trouble of making an exceptional looking mascot, just like Vivian James:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WerthamInA...he_comicgate_you_never_heard_of_in_memory_of/
And yes, the link is from an actual subreddit that aims to be the KiA of this autism, it's called r/WerthamInAction. The regular KotakuInAction is also covering this issue.
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Well, we've already established only exceptional individuals read comics
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Is that incident cataloged anywhere?
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The ridiculous incident with the secret facebook group is mentioned in the op, but here is a video where D&C talks about it:
Yes, this dipshit actually said he would dramatically leave in the middle of a panel to hunt down and confront D&C. He also talked about wanting to see a good photo of D&C, and posted this:
Which is... vaguely threatening. And autistic, considering Mark Waid is a little porker, and would have no chance in a real fight, especially against a former Marine.
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So I guess after gamergate fizzled out because no one gives a shit about a bunch of angry neckbeards vs. dangerhairs, they decided to pick an even more niche form of children's entertainment to focus their autistic rage at.
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Several years later I still sympathize with gamergate. Imagine feminists shitting up everything you love? Sure it might be for losers if your entire life revolves around video games but strong independent womyn ruining series like Mass Effect is bullshit. In the end that's what it was all about, preventing stuff like that.
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I dunno. As long as Disney wants to keep making boffo box office draws in Asian countries -where identity politics are nowhere near a mainstream issue-, they're going to surpress identity politics in the movies as much as possible. Gail Simone recently had a chimpout over Valkyrie in Thor: Ragnarok for one: there was going to be a scene where it would hint at her bisexuality, but Taika Waititi said that it wasn't working with the flow of the movie and ultimately had to make the hard choice to delete the scene. Gail was having none of it and had an epic spaz out on Twitter about MUH REPRESENTATION.
Also, speaking of Gail Simone, I just remembered 'The Movement'. That was DC trying to pander to identity politics/SJWs, and it only lasted about 12 issues. I wonder why.
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So they failed then?
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hey @neural would it be safe to tie into this the Magic: The Gathering shitstorm thats been happening from the cosplayer vs. the youtube guy? Or should it have its own thread? Its gone from sexual assault allegations, to harassment, to Wizards of the Coast banning people for rape allegations to Paedophile judges and MisterMetokur getting involved.
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Not entirely. Look at CD PROJEKT RED. A studio that prides itself on making its games worthwhile, even its DLC, and doesn't care about sexualizing women in their games. GamerGate didn't save them or anything but I wouldn't be surprised if it gave them and devs like them room to be emboldened about disregarding certain aspects of political correctness. I think GamerGate largely failed for three reasons:
1. The wrong people getting on pro-GamerGate side, as pointed out by MisterMetokur previously.
2. Trying to position themselves as centrist to appeal to "normies" and becoming defensive in justifying their movement. They should of just kept attacking. This was also previously pointed out by Metokur.
3. The people who refused to acknowledge the underlying motive behind GamerGate, preventing feminists from shitting up games, because "lol fucking autists".
Go ahead and call me a sped but look at Mass Effect then and now and you can get an idea of the point I'm trying to make.
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PREFACE:
I have to say, I am disappointed that we weren't interested in this thing enough, and I am most disappointed in myself for not making this thread earlier while some of the more exceptional drama was happening live, and as a result we lost some amazing content.
This OP will thus have to be as much of an excavation as it is a summation, so anticipate some 3rd-party videos whenever archives are absent, because I am trying to fill in as many gaps as possible. This will be a very dense post, and it will probably get denser if we (re)discover some stuff and have juicy updates.
I am also open to corrections of course. and will be proofreading and adding to this OP as we and the autism go on.
So what is #Comicsgate? This article (OG, Archive) seems to be a very good jumping-on point, with a brief, yet detailed overview of some of the players and initial events, plus it's in a very neutral and sane tone. It is a highly recommended read.
The basic gist of it #Comicsgate that the comics industry has been in a very hard slump, despite Superhero movies basically taking the place of the action blockbuster in terms of income and profits. The #Comicsgate movement contends that this is because of major companies (mostly Marvel) changing its flagship heroes to "Diverse" heroes, among other changes to pander to SJWs, and thus creating a material disconnect from the heroes that are raking in the cash for Marvel Studios, this has later expanded to nearly all other companies, with the exception of DC Comics so far.
This slump is also affecting smaller companies like IDW, which experienced a dizzying %91 drop in Q3/2017 revenue, citing "“industry cyclical downward pressure driven by market leaders” in a very thinly-veiled jab at Marvel. Comics stores are experiencing a %20 drop.
IDW REPORTS LOWER PUBLISHING REVENUES, PROFITS IN QUARTER
OUCH! COMICS DOWN OVER 20% IN COMIC STORES IN AUGUST
What I want to really focus on 1st is the key players in this autism war (spoiler: most of the prospective lolcows are on the Anti-CG side, similar to the other autism war we all know and love):
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Pro-CG:
Mostly consisting of YouTubers, their typical style is to ruthlessly roast and dissect bad comicbooks (And praise good ones), with some other videos that are meant to reply, debunk, or comment on events that happen in the comics industry. Their outlooks are Conservative in nature, though I don't see any MRAs in the leading figures, but I wouldn't rule it out.
So far, with the exception of some sperginess and overreactions, they have been largely containing their autism, largely choosing to focus on their task and evading various attempts by Anti-CG figures to stifle their efforts. They have so far not developed a Vordrak or any similar kind of controversial figure. There has been one exception: The #MakeMineMilkshake controversy, in which some comic spergs REEed because Heather Antos and co took this photo:
Heather Antos claimed to be harassed (which I keep finding conflicting claims about), and a hashtag was born in support (#MakeMineMilkshake). Of course, the oh-so-harassed Heather Antos couldn't resist taking another photo, just to rile people up:
The #MakeMineMilkshake is considered the event that crystallized the Comicsgate movement after its previous build-up of complaints.
Amazingly, a reasonable portion of the ProCGers's roast videos tend to get vastly more views than the comics in question have sales, especially Diversity & Comics (A typical Diversity & Comics video will get anywhere between 2-to-10 times as much as the subject comic).
A word of advice is to be very wary when using your Burner Twitter accounts to follow these people, because some AntiCGers seem to have a blocklist going or something, I discovered that I was blocked by some of them, with no interaction whatsoever.
If you find any important Pro-CG spergs other than the ones below, then let me know and I will add them, especially if they have lolcow potential.
Diversity & Comics:
Initially introducing himself as "Zack", later doxed and revealed to be Richard C. Meyer, a former Marine in his late 30's-early 40's, he has been the leading voice and probably the de-facto leader for the Pro-CG, to the point where he was begrudgingly named as the #85 most powerful figure in comics this past year. He is by far the most aggressive and strategic of the Pro-CG figures,
Until recently, his videos have been pretty shit from a production values standpoint, typically recording during his lunch break from the middle of NYC, so it's not uncommon to hear wind noise or truck horns, he also tends to use his cellphone camera to record his videos, with awful shakey cam at times. However, he has lately learned how to use OBS and bought a better phone with a good camera, so this pain point is mostly resolved. Though he always coughs in his videos no matter what.
His Twitter account is also unbearable, as he loves to quote-reply his opponents and retweet supporters. But what makes his presence tolerable is that he is a funny guy (at least to me).
He also has his own comic, sponsored by his Patrons, and has allowed it to be roasted by other comic YouTubers.
There has been multiple efforts to harass and deplatform him by multiple parties, including a weird-ass "stalker" (keep reading), coordinated copyright strikes, and trying to take down his Patreon as well. There was also an exceptional plan leaked where multiple comic pros colluded to attempt provoking him @ NY Comic Con in order to get him escorted out, we covered that one here.
YouTube (1, 2).
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Capn Cummings:
The self-styled "Supervillain of The Internet", he is attending Community College at the age of 33, has mentioned being in the Army at some point, and was recently banned from Twitter for reasons I don't know about yet. His videos in general have better production values than D&C's.
YT channel (Main, Livestreaming)
Patreon (contains some background in the 1st post)
Nerkish:
I don't know much about this one either, but he and D&C seem to have a playful back & forth on their YouTube videos and Twitter accounts. He is easily the biggest sperg I've seen from the Pro-CG people though.
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Anti-CG:
Mostly SJW comic creators and industry reporters, not that I am leaning against them, but based purely on what I've seen, they are going to be the primary source of laughs, salt and drama in this autism saga. Some of them already have threads here, and some of them are very thread-worthy, with the best of them sadly eluding our grasp, as they have DFE.
Axel Alonso:
Former Editor in Chief of Marvel Comics, he's widely assumed to be the major force behind the controversial Marvel initiatives, starting in 2010, that brought about #Comicsgate. He was axed by Marvel in November 2017. And he continues to be very petty about it, liking tweets critical of his successor, C.B. Cebulski and Sana Amanat.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uTRMLLNGNFw
Tom Brevoort:
Axel's 2nd in command and another asshole, who eventually got cucked by Marvel when they hired C.B. Cebulski ahead of him.
Heather Antos:
If anyone ever gets to be the Zoe Quinn of this saga, it will definitely be Heather Antos, she is an associate editor at Marvel (which is largely a coffee fetching position) with much higher than average influence for her role in the company. She also loves shrieking about SJW issues and antagonizing comic fans on her Twitter account (Most famously with the #MakeMineMilkshake controversy), while doing no real work on her assigned series, infamously saying that she doesn't know the street date of an issue of one of her series..
She was also used as the visual and character basis for Gwenpool while she was on the job (still is), which feels like inappropiateness and nepotism on multiple levels if you ask me.
D&C also alleges that she runs the twitter account known as Gary Drama, which is one of the accounts that harasses him, she was also responsible for revealing D&C's dox on her Twitter account, for which she got a suspension (I think). He frequently and explicitly calls for her firing as a result of all this.
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Nick Spencer:
The man who made Captain America a nazi and was fake surprised when people hated it, I used to follow his account back in the day when I read another of his series (Morning Glories), and his Twitter was insufferable. It's basically all him arguing with people about politics, and almost nothing about comics themselves (This is a common trend btw).
For being a huge raging SJW, he's actually a former Republican who ran for Cincinnati City Counsel in 2005, with a staunchly Republican action plan compared to what he's pushing now. He failed of course.
He recently quit Twitter, I am working on finding why, but I assume he finally burned out from constantly sperging on Trump.
Archive of his Spencer 2005 Election Site
Bleeding Cool Article detailing his post-Hillary crash into slumber.
Archive of his Twitter.
Gabby Rivera:
A fat 30-something "Latinx" lesbian writer of America, which is easily the worst comic I've ever seen, and easily the most roasted comic on YouTube. She got a brand new series with no real writing experience
This comic had the unique distinction of being the 1st comic to get trolled by 4chan in its own questions section.
Like seriously, look at some samples:
She also went on a hilarious Twitter rant on the Holidays after her book was cancelled, D&C covers it here. Out of all the people mentioned here, she has the most capacity to be a sustainable lolcow.
Mags Visaggio:
Mags already has a thread in our Rat King section.
Joe Glass:
Joe Glass is a SJW Bleeding Cool reporter, who is notorious for trying to bring false strikes to D&C's YouTube Channel (video). He also has a case of the Frank Wu photo face as well, just look at his Twitter avatar.
Mark Waid:
Mark Waid is a talented writer with a lot of experience, famous for writing Kingdom Come, and I like a lot of his work on The Flash as well, however, he's EASILY one of the saltiest motherfuckers on the planet, especially on Twitter, now unfortunately, he just quit recently because of D&C, Mark Waid claims that D&C used audio from a call between them in this video, D&C says that it wasn't a recording, but him imitating Mark Waid's voice in the video.
Thankfully, @emspex has managed to salvage some of Mark Waid's angry tweets, if he ever gets back on Twitter, he very easily qualifies as a dramacow as it's not his 1st Twitter rage quit:
D&C has also made quite a few videos on Mark Waid.
Melissa Morgue/Melissa Mendelbaum/Penelope Blood/Diversity & Porn/Gadd Ramone/JOHNDOXX15/Martin
This here is the fucking reason why I made this thread, we simply cannot afford to let a horrorcow/skitzocow like this get away without at least a mention, they have sadly managed to delete every trace of themselves from the internet, and I only have Ethan Van Sciver's videos and tweets on them, as well as a few archives of content.
The story as I understand it is that Melissa Morgue is a persona that appeared with a Twitter account (archives 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), claiming to be a woman who's planning to make a documentary about Comics and comicsgate. She made an article about Comicsgate (archive), created a Youtube channel called the Feminist Fangirl (archive), and started making videos in response to D&C, and quickly she began harassing and downright stalking D&C and Ethan Van Sciver, sending them creepy materials and claiming in videos that D&C doxed, harassed and stalked her and her family, and that Ethan is part of a conspiracy by Warner Bros. to destroy Marvel Comics because of their progressive values. I found another video where she masquerades as another persona called Diversity & Porn, but I don't know where those fit in the timeline.
Later, the same person who was behind the Melissa persona created a new sock called JOHNDOXX15 (Link is very NSFW!), which claimed to have killed Melissa "in the name of Comicsgate", and sent a picture of an actual murder victim with a decapitated head to both of them as "proof of Melissa's death" in an exceptional attempt to frame or implicate them as murderers or something. After he was found out, he tried claiming that the JohnDoxx persona was an alt of D&C's and not his.
This agitated D&C to the point where he completely freaked out and made a video claiming that he knows who this person is, that they are in fact a male using a female voice actress to make his Melissa Morgue videos, and that he's going to take the case to the FBI.
Eventually, Ethan made a series of tweets about this Melissa Morgue character, including sharing a private Twitter conversation with her. (Archive, read bottom-to-top)
Eventually, things came to a head, and a person named Gadd Ramone, who purportedly is the founder of a company called IronCloud Publishing apologized for the masquerade in a bizarre rant/apology/ruse reveal, and said that he was doing this to "make a statement". This is all in this video he made, and later deleted, the video is attached to this post (.MP4 ~34 MB).
Nobody believed him, because Ethan and D&C already had his dox (Which they still haven't fully released), and Ethan immediately revealed that Gadd Ramone and IronCloud Publishing are both figments of the imagination of this person, who was described as a "very large, imposing gentleman with tech training and a habit of posting threats and photos of murder victims under twitter aliases." (archived tweet):
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Furthermore, Ethan posted more tweets about him (Link), revealing that Martin actually has a wife and kids, but is determined to LARP as an oppressed SJW female journalist, in addition to the other personas I mentioned.
This to date has been the best sum-up of this whole situation, though it misses out on some of the finer details.
And this is Ethan's final video about Melissa Morgue:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wDeiIRHB7ow
@RockVolnutt, I know you already made this post, but I am struggling to put its contents into context with the framework I have up there, kindly let me know if you see any inconsistencies or have any additions I missed.
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Neutrals/Undecided:
Those are people who are either not explicitly supporting either side, or haven't stated any opinions abut #Comicsgate. Some of them do lean towards one side or another.
C.B. Cebulski:
Marvel's new Editor-in-Chief, who immediately began his reign in controversy, due to an old Japanese writing alias of his being outed within a week of him taking the role.
He also struck the 1st real blow to SJW Marvel by cancelling multiple low-selling series, most of them predictably being titles that pander to SJWs. This is covered here. However, his future plans for the comics publisher are yet unknown, and he hasn't announced any support to either side AFAIK.
Ethan Van Sciver:
God-tier artist working for DC Comics (Seriously, search for his art), he is a practicing Mormon, votes Republican and has conservative views, though to my knowledge he hasn't publicly supported #Comicsgate, though he is friendly with both sides, heavily leaning towards Pro-CG, and is widely criticized by SJWs for his political views. He is also on the record criticizing SJW culture.
He runs a channel called ComicArtistPro Secrets, in which he streams himself while working on his art, and discusses behind-the-scenes stuff, he is
He was also harassed extensively by Melissa Morgue and their various socks, and his tweets and videos about it have been my #1 source of info on "her".
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I'm sorry for this long and autistic essay, but we have missed a lot of the action, and I am very peeved that I was too late to cap Melissa Morgue's stuff.
I love all of this.