#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Somsnosa said:
I own reprints of 60s-70 Dr strange, its trippy style is simply astounding, very interesting for Marvel. How did it evolve? Would it be worth to read Dr Strange nowadays for someone who's more into european comics? That cover with the digital copy-pasted effect circles doesn't really speak Dr Strange to me, so I wonder
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I haven't read the latest volume, but it's written by Jason Aaron, and was advertised as being about him going back to basics, so I would temper my expectations :S
 
Here is a video from Comic Drake. While he makes no explicit reference to Comicsgate, his reference to "fan rage" makes me think he is obliquely referring to those in the movement when comparing Riri Williams to Miles Morales.


While he addresses some of the criticisms about Riri Williams he missed the most important one: she was a poorly developed and downright unlikeable character. Her entire origin read like a checklist of cliches and her biggest problems was all of Tony's supporting cast as well as the in-universe media telling her how awesome she was and how she could not live up to their adulation. Yet Bendis had the audacity to say that the world had only shown "the back of its hand to her." Bullshit. While the deaths of her best friend and stepfather were tragic, she also had received a scholarship from MIT at fifteen so the world was not completely against her. Oh, and she stole the components to make her first armour whereas Tony make his with only scraps.

Then there was that page where she wanted her kindergarten/first grade teacher to tell her that she couldn't he like Tony Stark, when said teacher was nothing but encouraging. Riri Williams was nothing but a narcissist at her core.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Here is a video from Comic Drake. While he makes no explicit reference to Comicsgate, his reference to "fan rage" makes me think he is obliquely referring to those in the movement when comparing Riri Williams to Miles Morales.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=id=DIErmY1WH8M;t=0
While he addresses some of the criticisms about Riri Williams he missed the most important one: she was a poorly developed and downright unlikeable character. Her entire origin read like a checklist of cliches and her biggest problems was all of Tony's supporting cast as well as the in-universe media telling her how awesome she was and how she could not live up to their adulation. Yet Bendis had the audacity to say that the world had only shown "the back of its hand to her." Bullshit. While the deaths of her best friend and stepfather were tragic, she also had received a scholarship from MIT at fifteen so the world was not completely against her. Oh, and she stole the components to make her first armour whereas Tony make his with only scraps.

Then there was that page where she wanted her kindergarten/first grade teacher to tell her that she couldn't he like Tony Stark, when said teacher was nothing but encouraging. Riri Williams was nothing but a narcissist at her core.
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There was also a lot of frustration because Tony already had a black female protege as part of his supporting cast in the form of Rhodey/War-Machine's niece, and there was already a perfect excuse to bring her back considering at the time Rhodey had just died in Civil War 2. The only reason Bendis seemed to decide to go with Ri Ri is because he either didn't know Rhodey had a niece, or was aware of her and decided to make Ri Ri anyways because he wanted to make an uber special character to take credit for.
 
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Jetpack Himmler said:
Here is a video from Comic Drake. While he makes no explicit reference to Comicsgate, his reference to "fan rage" makes me think he is obliquely referring to those in the movement when comparing Riri Williams to Miles Morales.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=id=DIErmY1WH8M;t=0
While he addresses some of the criticisms about Riri Williams he missed the most important one: she was a poorly developed and downright unlikeable character. Her entire origin read like a checklist of cliches and her biggest problems was all of Tony's supporting cast as well as the in-universe media telling her how awesome she was and how she could not live up to their adulation. Yet Bendis had the audacity to say that the world had only shown "the back of its hand to her." Bullshit. While the deaths of her best friend and stepfather were tragic, she also had received a scholarship from MIT at fifteen so the world was not completely against her. Oh, and she stole the components to make her first armour whereas Tony make his with only scraps.

Then there was that page where she wanted her kindergarten/first grade teacher to tell her that she couldn't he like Tony Stark, when said teacher was nothing but encouraging. Riri Williams was nothing but a narcissist at her core.
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Riri is beyond badly written. If Batman was written like she was:
When his parent were gunned down, he would have started fighting aliens in Central City instead of crime in Gotham.

This is the order of her origin to current day: Little girl makes teacher be racist to her. > Her Biological Dad gets shot during some gang violence, dies. > Mother re-marries, Step-Dad and Best Friend die to more gang violence. > She build her 1st suit with stolen parts from her campus. > Gets noticed by Tony Stark. > Tony gets put in a coma. > She gets an Iron Man suit from AI Tony. > Fights some mutants/inhuman (wasnt paying attention). > Riri is hostile with Shield (pre-Secret Empire). > She takes over Latveria. > Fights Doom, while Doom is trapped in a dream/vision, she arrest him. > Here I stopped reading and started burning my copies.
 
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damian said:
Riri is beyond badly written. If Batman was written like she was:
When his parent were gunned down, he would have started fighting aliens in Central City instead of crime in Gotham.
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An SJW character literally called REEEEE! REEEEEE!
 
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This is what has traditionally made Marvel great, and THIS is what the current crop of SJW writers at Marvel are not getting. THIS is why the marvel movies are owning the comics the past several years.
 

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I'd find it funny if there is an attempt to "hijack" it and there's only like five people.
 
Hatoful Dandy said:
They don't even buy comics, you expect them to do anything other than make pithy remarks on Twitter?
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Well, they're also implying that the other crowd doesn't actually buy them either so this would be a good way of seeing who's right about it. We know who most people's bets are on but no one really loses outside maybe the small handful of idiots who buy something out of spite and not the people who buy comics normally.
 
damian said:
MoveTheNeedle salt:

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There's a bunch of salt, mostly from Nick Ulanowski. There's even a parody account MoveTheNeedie, archive (which i suspect is an alt account of CmxAndDiversity, archive)

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Boasting about having 200k members and proclaiming that they'll hijack the #movetheneedle thing through sheer numbers... But all those "diverse" books they championed for sold under 30k on average and were cancelled for low sales as a result.

It's almost as if these people are full of shit or something.
 
One Man Bland said:
Boasting about having 200k members and proclaiming that they'll hijack the #movetheneedle thing through sheer numbers... But all those "diverse" books they championed for sold under 30k on average and were cancelled for low sales as a result.

It's almost as if these people are full of shit or something.
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>mfw comics accidentally get a huge influx of readers out of spite and somehow this leads to the industry becoming healthy again
I'd be very confused in this unlikely future.
 
People buying just one issue of a comic, not supporting the rest of the run, and then being shocked when the series tanks within a year? What is this, the 90s?
 
RockVolnutt said:
Well, they're also implying that the other crowd doesn't actually buy them either so this would be a good way of seeing who's right about it. We know who most people's bets are on but no one really loses outside maybe the small handful of idiots who buy something out of spite and not the people who buy comics normally.
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Oh, they do buy them...

But they're really the only people who do, is the thing.
 
I love when they publicly go on with their machinations. I would actually love for them to do this. We would be able to see in real time just how many weeks they can pretend to care.
 
One Man Bland said:
There was also a lot of frustration because Tony already had a black female protege as part of his supporting cast in the form of Rhodey/War-Machine's niece, and there was already a perfect excuse to bring her back considering at the time Rhodey had just died in Civil War 2. The only reason Bendis seemed to decide to go with Ri Ri is because he either didn't know Rhodey had a niece, or was aware of her and decided to make Ri Ri anyways because he wanted to make an uber special character to take credit for.
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Bendis will always opt for creator credit, often even retconing the stupidity into decades of others works, in the hopes his character is picked up and used in the mass media, such as the MCU. If Bendis used Rhodey’s niece instead of Riri, and the character got used in an Iron Man Film, then someone else would get the credit and the residual money. And when you look at it through that lens, well damn it sure explains how and why the Ultimate Universe got Miles Morales now doesn’t it? At the time Sony And Fox we’re heavily leveraging the Ultimate Universe materials for their movies, since it was designed to be a bit more real world, gritty and more easily filmable. Well despite being the longest Spider-Man writer with Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis wouldn’t see much of anything from the movies. Enter Miles Morales, a Spider-Man that Bendis would get paid for each time it’s used.
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Bendis will always opt for creator credit, often even retconing the stupidity into decades of others works, in the hopes his character is picked up and used in the mass media, such as the MCU. If Bendis used Rhodey’s niece instead of Rhodey, and the character got used in an Iron Man Film, then someone else would get the credit and the residual money. And when you look at it through that lens, well damn it sure explains how and why the Ultimate Universe got Miles Morales now doesn’t it? At the time Sony And Fox we’re heavily leveraging the Ultimate Universe materials for their movies, since it was designed to be a bit more real world, gritty and more easily filmable. Well despite being the longest Spider-Man writer with Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis wouldn’t see much of anything from the movies. Enter Miles Morales, a Spider-Man that Bendis would get paid for each time it’s used.
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I pretty much expect that when he becomes the writer for Superman that he's going to give Jon a love interest based on his daughter (like Riri was). That would get him headlines and credit for making a "Lois Lane" for Superman's son.

It's going to be weird.
 
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