#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Dogs can't look up said:
(Spider-man was now Doctor Octopus or Doctor Doom or some shit, I don't know it was fucking dumb and I wanted no part of it).
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This was the only storyline/plot point Dan Slott wrote that was worth half a shit. Doc Ock was on his deathbed, tricked Spiderman into visiting him, and used some invention to shift his Doc Ock consciousness into Spiderman to possess/take-over his body(Peter Parker didn't get swapped into Doc Ock's body, he was an unwilling passenger in the back seat for about 12 issues). Doc Ock's motivation was obviously to survive, but also beat Spiderman by being a better Spiderman than he ever was. Builds gadgets that help him monitor and respond to street-level crime faster, run a science company better, bang his midget assistant, etc. It also tied into the Spider-Verse storylines where there's Spidermen from other dimensions/alternate universes, and they largely cooperate & share stories with each other, but Doc Ock is always flaky/nervous about there being so many other spider people from other realities and there's multiple Parkers, but only one Ock and he's beaten in most other iterations.

Anyways, Dan Slott is a hack writer and this storyline is over. I sympathize with your rejection of it but it had some nice plot points.
 
mindlessobserver said:
Yeah, the woke crowd did deliver success with hot new takes on traditional formats in films like Frozen, and shows like the Legend of Korra, Rick and Morty and Stephen universe. What they don't get is these things succeeded in spite of the ideology and style and behind them and not because of it. They have convinced the business types they are on the bleeding edge of a generational change. All millenials and gen z are "woke", and these CEOs are being told this by their marketing departments who are all products of post modernist indoctrination at the university, and are backed up by the artists who are the product of similar indoctrination. And no CEO worth anything wants to be the dinosaur that does not evolve during a generational change.

Problem is they are being led astray by ideologues who are deluding themselves. Millenials are not as homogenous as they assume and gen z is growing up in the middle of the backlash. It's not going to be pretty, for the media companies and the university.
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I think another part of it is that, after several years of creative inbreeding and nepotism that's occurred in their respective industries, a lot of the work we see now is likely the best "talent" they can get from the handful of creative wells that they keep stubbornly drawing from despite it being obvious to everyone else that they've long run dry.

Though with comics specifically another issue might be that the people who are the most successful in comics right now don't bother with Marvel and DC. They either get a deal with Image or just keep doing their own thing in the independent market with webcomics.
 
One Man Bland said:
I think another part of it is that, after several years of creative inbreeding and nepotism that's occurred in their respective industries, a lot of the work we see now is likely the best "talent" they can get from the handful of creative wells that they keep stubbornly drawing from despite it being obvious to everyone else that they've long run dry.
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This too. They are not even shy about admitting as much about preventing anyone who does not agree with them politically being allowed into their community. Note that they call it a community and not an industry. It's a truly incestuous relationship that is letting all the defects in their thinking and style manifest. The worst part is the bubble they live in makes it impossible to realize just how far outside the box that is American culture they are. Southern California is a small corner of the country in the grand scheme of things, but they naively assume everywhere else is just like it, or if it's not, should be.
 
Jet Fuel Johnny said:
No old fans buying merchandise, no adult parents/grand-parents/aunts/uncles buying merch for the kids, and the new fans being SJW's who never purchase anything ain't a good business model.
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They don't care. None of the people doing the worst damage read or like comics.

mindlessobserver said:
They are not even shy about admitting as much about preventing anyone who does not agree with them politically being allowed into their community. Note that they call it a community and not an industry.
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"Community" is just a weasel word for trying to make everyone play by your rules even though in the real world, people with similar ethos find each other naturally. D&D had a similar problem when pretentious outsiders claimed it was a "community" and D&D was only played by brain damaged plebes. It's actually a hobby and WoTC learned to ignore them after the disaster of 4e. "Code of conduct" is another phrase to watch out for.
 
D&C briefly mentioned in his most recent video that he has a "bombshell" on Mark Waid that he'll be disclosing soon. Looks like fun times ahead.
 
PaiZuri said:
No. At least nothing in that video giving evidence of Marvel ending.

C.B. Cebulski aka 'male nipples' because is completely useless
Four other random nobodies whose crap won't sell

That's about it unless I missed something.
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I myself believe that, sooner or later (I would say by 2020), Marvel Comics will be completely reformed, all of their woke/SJW characters will be wholly revamped and reinvented, all of their leftist ideologue hack writers will be reined in, fired, or realize how stupid they were, all of the woke SJW nonsense in general will be thrown out, and Marvel will finally get back to writing good stories.

Because Marvel is simply too big to allow itself to fail.
 
PaiZuri said:
No. At least nothing in that video giving evidence of Marvel ending.

C.B. Cebulski aka 'male nipples' because is completely useless
Four other random nobodies whose crap won't sell

That's about it unless I missed something.
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I think D&C is overreacting. He expected Cebulski to come in and clean house, which Cebulski clearly has not. D&C now strikes me as having swung from too optimistic to too pessimistic. But we shall see, especially since he does claim to have in-house sources.
 
I think it's all a pendulum, really. Back in the 90's, comics used to rely on gimmicks like metallic covers, several printings of the same comic with variant covers (X-Men #1 launched with 5 different covers and Gen-13 #13 had 13 variant covers), a glut of #1 issues, mega crossovers, and emphasis on Liefeld-esque art over quality writing, full of chicks with huge tits and tiny waists and men with massive muscles and miniscule feet.

Then comics readers got sick of that shit, staying away from comic book stores in droves. Marvel and DC took notice, finally stopped trying to be EXXXTREEEMEEE! and focused more on good art, characters, and stories, like Morrison's run on JLA and Perez's work on the post-"Heroes Reborn" Avengers.
 
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AnOminous said:
Batman's idea of gun control is he takes your gun from you, pistol whips you senseless with it, and drops you off at prison or Arkham Asylum.
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At least Batman has a legitimate reason to be triggered by guns; having your parents shot dead in front of you for their jewelry when you're like 8 is the kind of shit that gives you PTSD. AND YET Batman doesn't try to take everyone's guns away; he refuses to use them personally and believes in taking criminals alive, when possible, but he knows Joe Blow the beat cop isn't going to be able to defend himself from the kinds of psychos that roam Gotham without some heat.
 
Cebulski is useless but he's just corporate. I do think he encouraged outsourcing the kid's line to IDW since their regular content is embarrassing. He seems like a guy just keeping his head down hoping to leave before the ship sinks. I absolutely buy that Amanat is calling most of the shots. The shift to digital-only mini-series of SJW characters is probably her brainchild.
 
One Man Bland said:
the best "talent" they can get from the handful of creative wells that they keep stubbornly drawing from despite it being obvious to everyone else that they've long run dry
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Iwasamwillbe said:
I myself believe that, sooner or later (I would say by 2020), Marvel Comics will be completely reformed, all of their woke/SJW characters will be wholly revamped and reinvented, all of their leftist ideologue hack writers will be reined in, fired, or realize how stupid they were, all of the woke SJW nonsense in general will be thrown out, and Marvel will finally get back to writing good stories.
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The talent also doesn't want to be in the industry, much like how game journalists would rather be real journalists or writers a lot of comic people are hoping to use comics as a springboard into TV or movies. If any stories / characters that have their name attached get optioned then even better. I'm wondering if Disney simply uses Marvel as a more expensive storyboarder for the movies / shows by trimming the gluttony of hacks and slowly dropping the comics (lets say anything <30k)

Water-T said:
Back in the 90's, comics used to really on gimmicks like metallic lenticular covers, several printings of the same comic with variant covers (X-Men #1 launched with 5 different covers and Gen-13 #13 had 13 variant covers), a glut of #1 issues, mega crossovers, and emphasis on Liefeld-esque art over quality writing, full of chicks with huge tits and teeny waists and men with massive muscles and miniscule feet.
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Changed to Marvels current sales strategy, not much has changed.

superscript said:
It's actually a hobby and WoTC learned to ignore them after the disaster of 4e. "Code of conduct" is another phrase to watch out for.
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5e rules revamp was good, but I have bad news to tell you...
 
superscript said:
Cebulski is useless but he's just corporate. I do think he encouraged outsourcing the kid's line to IDW since their regular content is embarrassing. He seems like a guy just keeping his head down hoping to leave before the ship sinks. I absolutely buy that Amanat is calling most of the shots. The shift to digital-only mini-series of SJW characters is probably her brainchild.
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It's nice of them to make it easier for the non-buying SJW thief audience to pirate.
 
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Then all the people on a nearby bus got off, clapped and gave her $100, oh and that man -> Albert Einstein

Blake Northcott gave a good point about using comics as a first draft for movies, which i think leads to my point of Marvel becoming a movie / TV storyboarder
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Jub-Jub said:
Blake Northcott gave a good point about using comics as a first draft for movies, which i think leads to my point of Marvel becoming a movie / TV storyboarder
https://twitter.com/BlakeNorthcott/status/1021514934021177346 http://archive.is/NKR1Y
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This explanation/excuse never really flew with me considering almost everything nuMarvel has made is either unusable garbage or, if a decent comic on its own, isn't adept for the big screen. The crew for that Captain Marvel movie has already gone on record saying thatthey basically has to throw out everything from the comics and start over, so I don't exactly see Disney execs leaping at the chance to adapt "Hell Cat and friends fight bed bugs and to to the mall" or "Wasp and her gang of #Woke millennial girl geniuses who all just happen to live in NYC" or "Heil Hydra Cap"
 
Jub-Jub said:
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Then all the people on a nearby bus got off, clapped and gave her $100, oh and that man -> Albert Einstein

Blake Northcott gave a good point about using comics as a first draft for movies, which i think leads to my point of Marvel becoming a movie / TV storyboarder
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Leth isn't even relevant anymore. The most notable thing with her was awhile back when she was going all "HE DERVESED IT FOR DICKING OVER JACK KIRBY" when some of the elder abuse stuff came out about Stan Lee which she deleted shortly after posting.

Hellcat wasn't even relevant when it was being published either so all that can really be said is Kate Leth is some womanchild with no filters.

One Man Bland said:
This explanation/excuse never really flew with me considering almost everything nuMarvel has made is either unusable garbage or, if a decent comic on its own, isn't adept for the big screen. The crew for that Captain Marvel movie has already gone on record saying thatthey basically has to throw out everything from the comics and start over, so I don't exactly see Disney execs leaping at the chance to adapt "Hell Cat and friends fight bed bugs and to to the mall" or "Wasp and her gang of #Woke millennial girl geniuses who all just happen to live in NYC" or "Heil Hydra Cap"
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Plus people like tying this into the nuMarvel characters are testing grounds for recasting MCU roles but that raises questions about why couldn't they just....make their own without buying Marvel. If you're going to make Marvel without the Marvel characters then why wouldn't you just do that instead of spending over 4 billion for just the logo?

I could see Disney demanding more token characters and even downplaying the X-Men because of movie rights but the rest of it? Why would Disney specifically tell the writers to keep sperging about political issues or to strangle all their big IPs to get said token characters? I need more proof it isn't just writers being brain-dead.

Disney likes milking things, I can't see them going "Captain America? Oh yeah, we're never using him again once Chris Evans's contract expires. Just replace him with a crosseyed transgender hero and reveal Steve Rogers eats babies before he dies from tripping down the stairs."
 
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