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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Sarg*n weighs in on "COMICSGATE LIVE: VOX DAY INFRINGES ON CG" Livestream. My take on this with Vox is that he's the Alt-Right version of Mundane Matt, a complete failure of an individual (much like Millennial Woes) who needs to ride on to the coattails of a successful movement and grab as many shekels as he can. Matt did the same thing to GG, believing he started the movement and coined the term after he was false flagged - and I'm sure Vox might do the same later down the road, maybe even try to claim leadership.
39:30 on stream "Cyberfrog made Alt-Hero his bitch" EVS on Vox's lame comic haha
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Try and remember that CG (although it didn’t start with D&C), became what it was because professionals in the comic book industry couldn’t ignore some old guy making videos in his closet/car, ripping their comics and saying they’re shit. They gave his name weight the moment they couldn’t ignore him.
The “rage at bad comics” type videos are nothing new and yet these people were so sensitive they made the guy a (kinda) household name in comics. Think about it for a moment, they chose to make Yaboi into the devil and he’s practically harmless. Oh he did say some mean things, ON THE INTERNET, but does that excuse any of the behavior we’ve seen from industry “professionals”?
We’ve seen pretty much every crazy thing you can imagine and even some that I never thought would happen.
The “rage at bad comics” type videos are nothing new and yet these people were so sensitive they made the guy a (kinda) household name in comics. Think about it for a moment, they chose to make Yaboi into the devil and he’s practically harmless. Oh he did say some mean things, ON THE INTERNET, but does that excuse any of the behavior we’ve seen from industry “professionals”?
We’ve seen pretty much every crazy thing you can imagine and even some that I never thought would happen.
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The main beef of CG is that comics have for the most part been unreadable due to clumsy SJW messaging.
You seem to imply we're dumb rubes being conned by a bunch of fly by night snake oil salesman. That's not the case, as the people making these IGG campaigns are talented professionals who really love comics. They have a vested interest in delivering. If their product is bad we'll go elsewhere. But the implication that this is a cheap money grab is false, or at the very least way premature.
It's a bit of a paradigm shift it seems to me.
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A lot of this has to do with how comic publishing (at least the single issues) gets funneled through the Direct Market via Diamond Distribution.
Foreign publishers can't really get their foot in the door when the Big Two makes up the majority of Diamond's business, nor would I think they'd want to try when it's more economically viable to go through a regular publishing house to handle the translations and distribution of full trades to the much more widespread book stores and online shops; as opposed to hoping a couple hundred local comic stores decide to buy 1-2 single issues a piece and then hoping from there enough people buy those single issues to convince the stores to buy the next one. The former seems to work out okay for series like Judge Dredd and other 2000 AD spinoffs that were initially part of magazines at least.
As for indie publishers, a lot of them are either just too small to make any sort of sway, or their current output isn't really particularly great or terrible enough to garner a whole lot of attention. The most recent big hit to come from a publisher other than the Big 2 was The Walking Dead, and that was partly because it came out right when the zombie craze was just getting into the swing of things, and most of the news that comes out about non-superhero comics now is when one of the bigger series like Chew or Hellboy is ending. But the vast majority of indie comics tend to hover between being "just okay" or "mediocre" with the occasional "spectacularly bad" thrown in the mix like Border Town. Sure, there might be the occasional "pretty good" thrown in the mix, but they're few a far in between or simply aren't going to be to everyone's taste - which is a hindrance in a market/medium that's already relatively niche.
It's hard to say if the indie comics could really fix this because their output depends on the pitches and talent they get, and while overall I'd say the talent on the artistic side of things is alright, the writing talent is pretty lackluster and often relies either on cliches, "weird" humor, or shock value. One part of this seems to be the sort of crowds American comics tend to attract (mainly people who want to make their own superheroes & hipsters) and that people tend to go for the publishers because of the brand recognition and potential bragging rights more than anything. Hell, at this point I'd say even the cesspool that is webcomics are more lucrative than going to an official publisher with the popularity/success of downright mediocre comics like Questionable Content.
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Vox Day is claiming in a blog post that Van Sciver approved the idea of creating the Comicsgate imprint last week, but changed his tune after negative fan reaction to the Bounding Into Comics article.
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http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-secret-of-comicartistpro.html
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http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-secret-of-comicartistpro.html
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“...when comics are, IN FACT, the best they’ve ever been...”
What does the chart say?:
Familiar faces:
You know that big pet peeve that CGers have about new diversity hires at the Big 2, well she literally admitted she was hired with no previous comics experience:
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I thought it weird libtards like Magg would celebrate labor day but I remembered libs do love labor when it's done by minorities and foreigners and they get to whip them with tolerance awards/reblogs.
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Methinks Razzy should look more closely at Vox Day's history.
A good portion of GamerGaters were lolcows in their own right, but GamerGate itself was not "easily disregarded", due to the movement's ability to police itself, and activist pseudo-journalists still talk about GamerGate three to four years after that autism carnival finally died down, as some nigh-apocalyptic harassment campaign against wammon and my-nor-it-tees.
Because that is what happens with a good consumer revolt. It won't die because some tard declared himself "King of Whatevergate", "Emperor of Consumer Revolts", or "Lord of the Disgruntled Autists". Such egotistical asswipes simply get ignored, as the movement excludes or quarantines them, and the movement itself will go on.
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Listen, comic book sales were in the shitter before those random pages of fem-Thor that people like to throw around. The big 2 have numerous issues, such as:
1) gimmicks
2) constant relaunch / renumbering
3) bad quality of art, and shitty writers writing meandering stories
4) increasing the prices
Yeah virtue signals and SJW nonsense was shitty but these books were just terribly written. Changing from pandering to the left to pandering to the right isn't going to make a difference if they don't fix the issues that are plaguing the industry.
I'm just curious who you're referring to as "talented professionals." We've got EVS, the classic opportunist:
And schizo Dave Sims, who writes rants like this:
I mean, I'm fine with being proven wrong, I'll eat that hat. But let me actually see some of these CG comics in their finished form before I start praising them for beating back Marvel and DC. Because otherwise, it comes across as some middle aged men trying their hardest to make bank off Kekistanis after their careers fell off. I'd be more inclined to treat these people in good faith if they weren't total spergs online, but until then I'm happy to sit back and laugh at the infighting over Vox Day trying to get a piece of that money pie.
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I'm not sure how any of that justified a mentally ill man sending a picture of his hairy asshole to his detractors, especially when he seemed to get some kind of perverted sexual thrill out of it.
Dave Sim is nuts, but he's actually a perfect example of someone who self-published, told the entire industry to go fuck itself, and was both artistically and commercially successful doing it.
Subsequent insanity does not erase that.
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Not sure what you think this picture proves about him being an "opportunist." To me, it just looks like a sarcastic joke.
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If anything it just shows he might get along with Eichenwald on one thing.
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Did this guy just draw red lines on his charts by hand? It doesn't look like a moving average.View attachment 534219 https://twitter.com/mymonsterischic/status/1036740972154109954 https://archive.fo/XQxQ4
“...when comics are, IN FACT, the best they’ve ever been...”
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What does the chart say?:
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Familiar faces:
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You know that big pet peeve that CGers have about new diversity hires at the Big 2, well she literally admitted she was hired with no previous comics experience:
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I'm triggered m8
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Oh yeah....some people got mad over this and Quesada swore up and down this wasn't the intention:
Funnily enough, the artist (Sana Takeda), later said this was pretty much what they commissioned her to draw.
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I...don't understand this "CG IS DEAD" stuff in this thread. The journalists and pros freaking out about the backlash ALREADY used to toss Vox Day in before they became hyperfocused on D&C and EVS. The only change now is Vox forcing himself as the face of something which'll lead to professionals calling people racists and sexists....to call them racists and sexists, even the most vocal of the SJWs acknowledge the difference even if they'll run with this anyways.
Yeah, the current model of distributing comics isn't sustainable but the SJW trend is accelerating it. The point wasn't people making their own comics, that was mostly because of pros going "LET'S SEE YOU DO BETTER" which they're kinda doing, it's about trying to get companies to attempt literally anything else which eventually they'll have to anyways.
I'm not seeing what changed here.
Yeah, the current model of distributing comics isn't sustainable but the SJW trend is accelerating it. The point wasn't people making their own comics, that was mostly because of pros going "LET'S SEE YOU DO BETTER" which they're kinda doing, it's about trying to get companies to attempt literally anything else which eventually they'll have to anyways.
I'm not seeing what changed here.
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This sort of makes me wonder if you understand CG at all. In fact it's been pretty clear that we don't want that, we just want good stories.
You kind of remind me of those people who handwave away the lunacy of the left and their TDS, saying "ehh, both sides do it, so whatcanyado?"
Well right, both sides do it. But one side is responsible for 80% of the insanity and the other 20%. If it please you I'll start at the former and work towards the latter.
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Funny his name is Spellskite and it's a Mtg card that you use to redirect spells away from their intended targets. Kinda almost seems to be what he's doing here.