Marvel 2099 was actually very diverse: Spider-Man 2099 was half Mexican, Ghost Rider 2099 was Asian, and X-Men 2099 had a Vietnamese man, a Korean man, a black woman, and an Arab woman, then later a Hispanic woman. Can't recall any gay or trans characters, though.
Well yeah, but my point is it's kinda surprising for people really into SocJus and "Your grandkids are gonna be brown!" for them to have never tried pushing some future where everyone is 120% African.
Hulk 2099 or rather "Unlimited 2099" had this lady but we're working off the logic that everyone will eventually be vantablack by 2044.
She might be in for quite the surprise if something comes from that defamation part against Waid. Hell, even if nothing does she might have already surpassed Waid's defamation and could also be sued and hopefully ruled against.
She might be in for quite the surprise if something comes from that defamation part against Waid. Hell, even if nothing does she might have already surpassed Waid's defamation and could also be sued and hopefully ruled against.
And she’s in the same state. Makes it a LOT easier (assuming she isn’t on the same judgment-proof level that Michelle Perez was with the crippling poverty level she exists within)
I think the reason Austen hasn't weighed in is because he has more or less been blackballed from the industry for being an asshat who wrote some of the worst shit for mainstream comics until this latest batch of Fanfiction.net hacks got in. I mean, look at all the wonderful contributions he made to the X-Men during his tenure
Fair enought but I think is more that he is more confortable being a producer of cartoon like Steven or She-ra, and he grow-up from crying about those internet trolls.
Also I wouldn’t start digging into someone’s past when yours actually has some juicy dirt:
From this twitter account (https://twitter.com/darthpool137), this guy found archives of a Perez Hilton site that had all these lovely comments by REEEEEEn:
Some might be repeats, in too lazy look through what I grabbed:
Holy shit, that was beautiful. Superman under Chuck Austen was a straight up asshole (which is arguably fine in my eyes; many people would say that Superman's too much of a Boy Scout), and there was this autistic soap-opera love triangle subplot between Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and Lana Lang.
It was dumb.
And got shitcanned immediately after Chuck Austen left.
Holy shit, that was beautiful. Superman under Chuck Austen was a straight up asshole (which is arguably fine in my eyes; many people would say that Superman's too much of a Boy Scout), and there was this autistic soap-opera love triangle subplot between Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and Lana Lang.
It was dumb.
And got shitcanned immediately after Chuck Austen left.
She might be in for quite the surprise if something comes from that defamation part against Waid. Hell, even if nothing does she might have already surpassed Waid's defamation and could also be sued and hopefully ruled against.
And she’s in the same state. Makes it a LOT easier (assuming she isn’t on the same judgment-proof level that Michelle Perez was with the crippling poverty level she exists within)
Probably not worth litigation. But might be worth sending a real harassment complaint in to Twitter. Perhaps slip his lawyer a few extra bucks to send in the complaint on paper and letterhead so it bypasses the SJ moderators and lands on a VP’s desk.
P.S. do we have a thread on Renfamous yet? Because I think she has quickly achieved cow status for her insane internet stalking and REEEEing.
It's funny how all you really need for your YouTube thumbnail is a picture of someone making the cuck face and you know all their political opinions, exactly how they behave on social media, and what you're going to hear about them without even watching the video.
That's a delusional white woman thing going on. Limp socjus betas wouldn't donate to anything she put up. She doesn't put out like Quinn and there's younger, hotter women nerds to orbit.
It's easy to forget now how much you had to go digging to find the fanatics of fandom back in the day. Nowadays, with TV at its peak and ships and headcanon practically mainstream terms, the obsessed - and their loudness about their obsession - are much, much more visible than the early internet days.
So it was much easier to watch a show like Buffy or The X-Files without having to deal with the spergs demanding you recognise it's the best thing in creation (and their counterparts, the fans The Simpsons parodied so accurately who claim to love the show but think everything new is the Worst. Episode. Ever.).
There was also very little access to the cast and crew and creators of these shows outside interviews and conventions. You'd have to dig really deep to even try and figure out the political leanings of these people, and it was very unlikely to even be a topic of conversation. There were no purity tests or requirements that there be no wrongthink behind the scenes, and even if you did think that way you had no way to actually find out if your faves were 'problematic'. Authors and creators having a visible internet presence was much, much rarer, and would inevitably get commented on.
Similarly, the relative inaccessibility of the shows was a factor. If you didn't watch/tape them to VHS, you were likely to miss out. The whole thing wasn't available for an easy download, and only niche shows with the most obsessive fandoms, inevitably genre shows, would get VHS, and later DVD releases. A show's popularity was increased more by word of mouth and magazine pieces published weeks, months or even years after a show's start, rather than this instant recap/review culture that exists now. Again, the really hardcore fans were online at this point, but they were also very much defined by who had earlier access to the internet.
This is all a long-winded way of explaining that Joss Whedon was popular because he filled a fun niche in television with humour but also big emotion, crafting (at least earlier on) ongoing storylines throughout a season that is now commonplace but was much rarer back then, and you weren't constantly being told either how he was the best thing ever or Satan incarnate by the speds unless you really wanted to go find those conversations.
To relate all that back to the topic at hand, a lot of that applies to comics fandom, except for the 'current golden age' part. Back issues often had to be hunted for and were expensive to get ahold of, conversation about them was mostly limited to your friends and perhaps your local comics shop, and in that same period in the 90s, the only creators the mainstream might have heard of was perhaps Rob Liefeld because he got a Levi's ad. You didn't even really see comics cross over when the Batman movies came out, because comics were both too nerdy and aimed at kids. The odd murmuring about 'oh, there's good stuff for adults' around Vertigo, Alan Moore, Maus and the like was starting, but again it was still a very niche conversation.
And nowadays, not only do we know how creators vote, but you can also know what their asshole looks like if you're unfortunate enough to engage with them on Twitter. Literally and metaphorically, sadly.
But clearly the most damage done by fandom has been the amplifying of the voices of the worst of the worst of humanity, because fans are the worst and always have been. Not in terms of ordinary readers/watchers, but the SJW fan approach. Where liking something makes you feel like you have ownership over it, and if you're not getting exactly what you want the solution isn't to stop consuming a product that you no longer enjoy, but instead to fight and threaten and rewrite it so that it bends to your will.
Oddly enough, these toxic fans are much more represented on the anti-CG side than the CG side, though to be fair CG has its own spergs as well. They're just more likely to not buy something that doesn't appeal to them, rather than the anti-CGs who will not buy it but simultaneously insist it should be something that they would want to buy - if they bought anything.
I agree. Fan culture was different when all the normal people had to pay for the internet, pay for the individual websites, and probably pay for some or most of the media. There was more a sense that anywhere you were, you were in somebody's private clubhouse. Nobody would have bought the idea that everybody should throw their current clubhouse into the trash and spend their money on low quality propaganda. Now, it's like the fable of the little red hen. People show up and expect a handout they wouldn't even value.
