#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Rekieta is going to interview Mindy Wheeler's former business partner in ~3 hours about statements Mindy has made and rebutting them. With Mindy's and her husbands recent chimpouts, this and any subsequent fallout could get really good.
 
Reading Esquival's apology is hilarious. Saying he learned "sobriety from Batman" and "compassion for animals from Aquaman", but "sexuality from James Bond" is up there in the category of risible claims along with, say with Eichenwald claiming he just wanted to show the wife that Japanese tentacle porn was real..

Newsflash: James Bond's lovers didn't #MeToo him years after the fact, but Esquival's did to him because he's a creepy dork whose idea of being bold in a masculine way is writing a hamfisted comic book for a tiny niche audience to OWN DER DRUMPENFUHER.
 
:story: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, No.
Comics is dying, you goofy cunt. Manga are technically comics, but no one actually considers them the same as American comics.
 
Incredible Crisis said:
It's obvious that Goddess Mode was commissioned less because the team is competent, but because it's cheaper to market than the rest of the current catalog due to the notoriety of the writer.

It may be a waste of time and shelf space but it's at least economical.
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I remember seeing at the time (I forget where) that the day Goddess Mode and bunch of other high profile SJW projects were announced DC also announced that their female president was being fired. That story was kept pretty quiet.

damian said:
:story: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, No.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PjWy4vmhg1wComics is dying, you goofy cunt. Manga are technically comics, but no one actually considers them the same as American comics.
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If manga are comics now, does that mean they are admitting Marvel and DCs woke comics are failures?
 
JDA has gone full LateNightComics and is now posting images from Mike Miller’s Lone Star inbetween his bouts of autistically screeching about CG 24/7.

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http://archive.today/2018.12.21-121...er.com/jondelarroz/status/1076000141289508865
 
damian said:
:story: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, No.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PjWy4vmhg1wComics is dying, you goofy cunt. Manga are technically comics, but no one actually considers them the same as American comics.
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Even if they were the same thing, Japanese and American industries are entirely different.

That's like suggesting because Toyota is doing really well year over year that Detroit is going to rise back to being an industrial city. There's no correlation.
 
Tanner Glass said:
That's like suggesting because Toyota is doing really well year over year that Detroit is going to rise back to being an industrial city. There's no correlation.
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It's sad that these pathetic clowns in a dying industry (that they are personally accelerating the demise of) are reduced to such pathetic, Baghdad Bob-tier denialism.
 
AnOminous said:
It's sad that these pathetic clowns in a dying industry (that they are personally accelerating the demise of) are reduced to such pathetic, Baghdad Bob-tier denialism.
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That's the part that doesn't make sense to me since a lot of the "lol the industry is dying" shit came from them in the first place. Heck, even now you have indie guys who are totally convinced that the death of the Big Two would mean their indie titles would get all the attention.

I never got the mentality of whining about your upcoming demise instead of making death your bitch and showing cunts you aren't six feet under yet. It's literally the opposite of "boohoo, nobody could've done anything" if your plan is to intentionally fuck up your business, the power to change was your's.
 
RockVolnutt said:
That's the part that doesn't make sense to me since a lot of the "lol the industry is dying" shit came from them in the first place. Heck, even now you have indie guys who are totally convinced that the death of the Big Two would mean their indie titles would get all the attention.

I never got the mentality of whining about your upcoming demise instead of making death your bitch and showing cunts you aren't six feet under yet. It's literally the opposite of "boohoo, nobody could've done anything" if your plan is to intentionally fuck up your business, the power to change was your's.
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The issues with the comic book industry are currently massive, in depth and scope. Anyone at Marvel/DC comics who would be capable of "making death their bitch" has long left those companies to pursue other avenues and it's been this way for a long while. To be truly successful requires an entrepreneurial spirit that a lot of these new industry folks simply don't have and are afraid to pursue. Everyone holds Stan Lee up as a comic marvel; which is fine; but if Stan Lee was just starting out today his dream wouldn't be "I want to write issue 3,000 of someone else's established character", it would be to make his own shit up like he did back in the day.

Marvel in particular seems as a company "made death their bitch" by moving their properties to movies and they don't really need comics as an anchor. To compare, in 2017 approximately 1 billion dollars were spent on "Comic" in North America. However, only $350 million were for actual comic books (with ~$600 million going to "graphic novels" aka manga and ~$90 million going to digital books). That $350 million isn't soley Marvel's either, as DC, Image and other smaller companies are in those sales as well. Even assuming they made a lion share of the sales, that's $200 million; before any manufacturing offset. In that same year, they released 5 movies that grossed $1.3 billion dollars; or approximately 700% more than their comics division.
 
Tanner Glass said:
The issues with the comic book industry are currently massive, in depth and scope. Anyone at Marvel/DC comics who would be capable of "making death their bitch" has long left those companies to pursue other avenues and it's been this way for a long while. To be truly successful requires an entrepreneurial spirit that a lot of these new industry folks simply don't have and are afraid to pursue. Everyone holds Stan Lee up as a comic marvel; which is fine; but if Stan Lee was just starting out today his dream wouldn't be "I want to write issue 3,000 of someone else's established character", it would be to make his own shit up like he did back in the day.

Marvel in particular seems as a company "made death their bitch" by moving their properties to movies and they don't really need comics as an anchor. To compare, in 2017 approximately 1 billion dollars were spent on "Comic" in North America. However, only $350 million were for actual comic books (with ~$600 million going to "graphic novels" aka manga and ~$90 million going to digital books). That $350 million isn't soley Marvel's either, as DC, Image and other smaller companies are in those sales as well. Even assuming they made a lion share of the sales, that's $200 million; before any manufacturing offset. In that same year, they released 5 movies that grossed $1.3 billion dollars; or approximately 700% more than their comics division.
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I disagree with the notion that movies are "saving" anything considering how bloated their budgets are and they will only exist in the short term as it is. There's more lasting money in Spider-Man t-shirts than their is from movies that will cost you money if China rejects them for having too many ghosts than their communist overlords can handle.

Also I mean that Stan Lee thing is kind of off the mark considering he wrote for characters like Captain America who existed before his entry into the industry as well, it's not like that was unheard for him. Most of the Marvel creations from the 60s were new but they did reuse material from the Timely/Atlus eras that predated it.
 
RockVolnutt said:
I disagree with the notion that movies are "saving" anything considering how bloated their budgets are and they will only exist in the short term as it is. There's more lasting money in Spider-Man t-shirts than their is from movies that will cost you money if China rejects them for having too many ghosts than their communist overlords can handle.

Also I mean that Stan Lee thing is kind of off the mark considering he wrote for characters like Captain America who existed before his entry into the industry as well, it's not like that was unheard for him. Most of the Marvel creations from the 60s were new but they did reuse material from the Timely/Atlus eras that predated it.
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You can do movies and merchandise at the same time, though. Even if the movies made little/no money, as long as they remain popular they will move merchandise and make money that way, in a way that comic books never could. Just in the last twenty years, coinciding with the rise of comics in other media (TV shows, movies that aren't awful) there has been a very large movement of comic book heroes away from "Nerd Shit" to "Cool Stuff" for most normal people. There are people who give a shit about Doctor Strange now that weren't even aware he existed 10 years ago; and nothing they could have done in the comics could have accomplished that same feat with anywhere near the same scale.

As for Stan Lee, I wasn't suggesting that people can't cut their teeth in the business as everyone has to start somewhere; I was suggesting that people still at Marvel/DC think that working at either of those two companies is the pinnacle of the industry. They're happy to work there and not make waves, where the people they idolized are regarded as visionaries because they weren't afraid to rock the boat and make waves. Stan Lee worked all types of low level jobs at Timely (who would become Marvel) but he's largely remembered for all of the characters he created. If he was just a "in the background" and "sometimes he got me lunch" guy, like all the people who stayed at Marvel, we wouldn't be talking about him at all.
 
Tanner Glass said:
You can do movies and merchandise at the same time, though. Even if the movies made little/no money, as long as they remain popular they will move merchandise and make money that way, in a way that comic books never could. Just in the last twenty years, coinciding with the rise of comics in other media (TV shows, movies that aren't awful) there has been a very large movement of comic book heroes away from "Nerd Shit" to "Cool Stuff" for most normal people. There are people who give a shit about Doctor Strange now that weren't even aware he existed 10 years ago; and nothing they could have done in the comics could have accomplished that same feat with anywhere near the same scale.

As for Stan Lee, I wasn't suggesting that people can't cut their teeth in the business as everyone has to start somewhere; I was suggesting that people still at Marvel/DC think that working at either of those two companies is the pinnacle of the industry. They're happy to work there and not make waves, where the people they idolized are regarded as visionaries because they weren't afraid to rock the boat and make waves. Stan Lee worked all types of low level jobs at Timely (who would become Marvel) but he's largely remembered for all of the characters he created. If he was just a "in the background" and "sometimes he got me lunch" guy, like all the people who stayed at Marvel, we wouldn't be talking about him at all.
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I suppose it's subjective but I consider that death. The MCU versions of the Marvel cast are never going to become recreations of their originals and I will be surprised if they still exist a decade or two from now. The history behind these characters is what makes them interesting IMO as opposed to superficial things like costumes or how they shoot lasers out their eyes. It's to the point that I'd even be okay with less superhero stuff as long as the setting of Earth-616 is continued, you'd lose me if you ever scrapped one of the longest running collaborative works around right now.

I probably have different tastes from the casual who just likes Wolverine because he stabs stuff though.
 
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