#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Mr. 0]

Also nobody remembers the Superman Returns movie.

that's because kevin spacey was in it

 

[Least Concern]

that weird ass TV show

When I heard about Riverdale, I actually tuned in because I thought it could be a clever take having the "golly, that's swell" Archie crew depicted in a modern America. Instead they play it straight where the first two episodes (all I could get through) featured a straight-up murder plus Archie unambiguously bonking Veronica and also making a statutory rapist out of one of his teachers. What the fuck, CW.

 

[Tanner Glass]

There has only been one Clark Kent/Superman across his multiple mainstream comic appearances since 1986 despite any tweaks that have happened in the meantime. All those changes you described were plot developments.

Also nobody remembers the Superman Returns movie.

They weren't plot developments, they were reboots.

Superman and Lois Lane do not have a meaningful breakup or advance a plot in any direction. They reboot the franchise (and all franchises with the "New 52") and it's simply stated that Wonder Woman and Superman are a thing, and Lois is married to someone else in the new "reality". That's really a shame because a relationship between a human and an all-powerful alien existing and then deteriorating would be a very interesting thing to write about; instead of them literally doing a reboot and going "that isn't the way it is now".

Superman and Wonder Woman do not have a meaningful breakup or advance a plot in any direction, although they technically pause it before the reboot. They reboot the franchise (and conclude all "New 52" reboots with a "Rebirth" reboot) and the "New Earth Superman" (the one BEFORE the "New 52" reboot) is married to Lois Lane and has a son. The "Prime Earth Superman" (from "New 52") dies as part of the "Rebirth" reboot so they are actually two separate people from two separate realities, although they kill one off to simplify the story.

 

[gobbogobb]

When I heard about Riverdale, I actually tuned in because I thought it could be a clever take having the "golly, that's swell" Archie crew depicted in a modern America. Instead they play it straight where the first two episodes (all I could get through) featured a straight-up murder plus Archie unambiguously bonking Veronica and also making a statutory rapist out of one of his teachers. What the fuck, CW.

You say what the fuck. CW says hold my beer.

Seriously. Look at the plotlines in whatever the current season is. I don't even know what they are but I guarantee you it's even dumber.

 

[RockVolnutt]

They weren't plot developments, they were reboots.

Superman and Lois Lane do not have a meaningful breakup or advance a plot in any direction. They reboot the franchise (and all franchises with the "New 52") and it's simply stated that Wonder Woman and Superman are a thing, and Lois is married to someone else in the new "reality". That's really a shame because a relationship between a human and an all-powerful alien existing and then deteriorating would be a very interesting thing to write about; instead of them literally doing a reboot and going "that isn't the way it is now".

Superman and Wonder Woman do not have a meaningful breakup or advance a plot in any direction, although they technically pause it before the reboot. They reboot the franchise (and conclude all "New 52" reboots with a "Rebirth" reboot) and the "New Earth Superman" (the one BEFORE the "New 52" reboot) is married to Lois Lane and has a son. The "Prime Earth Superman" (from "New 52") dies as part of the "Rebirth" reboot so they are actually two separate people from two separate realities, although they kill one off to simplify the story.

.....Those were plot developments. "Prime Earth" is the same world as "New Earth". You're making it more complicated than it is.

 

[Adamska]

.....Those were plot developments. "Prime Earth" is the same world as "New Earth". You're making it more complicated than it is.

Nope. They're effectively reboots due to the writers being cowardly and not wanting to stick with new things and your average capeshit fan won't see it as anything else. I don't think it's worth even defending, since the whole industry needs a great purge.

 

[Kosher Dill]

.....Those were plot developments. "Prime Earth" is the same world as "New Earth". You're making it more complicated than it is.

I don't read Superman, but if we're seriously discussing whether "Prime Earth" and "New Earth" are the same thing or not, it's already too complicated.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I don't read Superman, but if we're seriously discussing whether "Prime Earth" and "New Earth" are the same thing or not, it's already too complicated.

We aren't. "Prime Earth" has never been used on page, just a thing Dan Didio said at some point. It's actually a thing explained in the Superman comics and not some random thing a writer made on a whim. The only place you're seeing "Prime Earth" is on fan-run wikis.

 

[Water-T]

I don't read Superman, but if we're seriously discussing whether "Prime Earth" and "New Earth" are the same thing or not, it's already too complicated.

It's also confusing because Earth Prime used to refer to our reality, or "the real world". Now it's another piece of the confusing puzzle that is DC since Infinite Crisis.

I've been following Dc since the early 80's, all the way from the existence of Earths 1, 2, 3, X, S, and Prime, to just the one Earth after the orginal Crisis. DC honestly should have stopped there, but kept trying to "fix" what was already fixed by Crisis by doing soft reboots like Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis.

Honestly, while Crisis didn't 100% clean up continuity, it was still as good as it was going to get considering how many characters and rebooted histories there was to juggle. Fixing the hiccups like Hawkman's post-Crisis history just needed a good writer like Geoff Johns (who ironed out the kinks in Carter's past years later), not a half-assed do-over like Zero Hour.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

what do you guys think of the "Even if something new comes out that you don't like, it doesn't destroy the original you enjoyed" argument?

This is going to sound harsh, but everything they've done to Spider-Man since 1995's Clone Saga has irrevocably ruined the character for me. Continuity is a great thing and makes you invested in a character, but its a double-edged sword in that a retarded individual or series of consecutive retards working in conjunction over two decades can completely destroy any investment you have in a character.

Marvel obviously recognizes the problem and came up with possibly the most inept fucking solution by establishing three concurrent Spider-Man continuities in the Marvel universe in addition to a goddamn Spider-Man multiverse.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

The "Prime Earth Superman" (from "New 52") dies as part of the "Rebirth" reboot so they are actually two separate people from two separate realities, although they kill one off to simplify the story.

Actually, the Superman Reborn storyline proves that they are simply two aspects of one post-Crisis on Infinite Earths Superman.

DC Rebirth is also not a continuity reboot, but a sort of in-universe cosmic relaunch that combines the Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint DC Universes together.

 

[Jub-Jub]

But there is no avenue for the SJW NPC’s to come in and Capture established properties and damage the branding in support of their agenda

They've been trying in the subbing community, but thankfully due to years of rampant piracy there always seems to be fan subbers out there to pick up any slack. Another avenue could be from having parent companies buying them out or moving the HQ to commiefornia like the recent Sony move and it's new censorship stance.

Capeshit and Shonen are (I feel at least) far and away the most representative of their genres and a good point to view the "Manga vs Comics" differences through

Capeshit and Shonen should be compared because they both are at heart supposed to be action-adventure stories. One of the more recent trends in Capeshit seems to be going away from action adventure basics into more and more pages of other genres like slice of life, drama or Funjoshi garbage. All of which can and will be dropped at any time without ever mentioning it again making a confusing mess of a story. At least when i look up Manga the synopsis and genre tags can be enough to give a good overview of what will be in the book and it will generally stay consistent throughout the run. I think this is related to Marvel hiring artists who cant draw action and writers who have no idea what an adventure entails, due to the 'adulting is hard' crowd that think getting out of bed is a hard adventure.

Nominations:
Tim Lim - Transcript REEE fiasco, Cash Grab fallout insanity (I still think that would have got $50k easy), trusting LNC and providing no good leaks in the process.
Mark Zaid - Seemingly has no idea what his client is in trouble for and in my eyes unethical promotion of the gofundme and likely billing for tweets. It's funny to me, but it's still a scumbag lawyer move.

 

[Least Concern]

Cash Grab fallout insanity

Ah, man, I forgot about that little chapter. What's Cecil been up to recently? Hope he's found someone else to collab with.

 

[AnOminous]

Instead they play it straight where the first two episodes (all I could get through) featured a straight-up murder plus Archie unambiguously bonking Veronica and also making a statutory rapist out of one of his teachers.

Edgy reboots suck.

 

[damian]

Ah, man, I forgot about that little chapter. What's Cecil been up to recently? Hope he's found someone else to collab with.

IIRC Cecil is now working with EVS on his Rainbow Brute IGG, once he finishes Cyber Frog that is.

 

[Tanner Glass]

We aren't. "Prime Earth" has never been used on page, just a thing Dan Didio said at some point. It's actually a thing explained in the Superman comics and not some random thing a writer made on a whim. The only place you're seeing "Prime Earth" is on fan-run wikis.

I mean we're nitpicking the shit out of this already, but would it really be preferable if I said "Superman from reality B came to reality A after the Superman from reality A died and he stayed in the newly merged realities with the Lois Lane from reality B and his son from reality B under fake names for a while; also Lois Lane from reality A also died after"?

It's still two separate realities with two separate events that are never actually reconciled (Superman B is married to Lois Lane, Superman A is dating Wonder Woman, Lois Lane A is married to someone else) and are instead bulldozed over and handled with deaths (Superman A and Lois Lane A die) and still at one point in two realities there were two separate Supermen doing two different Supermen things. They even go out of their way in the first issue to establish that Superman A is super-dead and cannot be revived.

Across the DC universe some of the reality A changes are kept and some of them are overwritten by reality B so of course the fans have to come up with some kind of shorthand to sort it all out. This occurs twice (reality A and reality B) across 52 comics with the 2011 reboot and the 2016 reboot.

 

[Crabbo]

For whatever reason the Alterna hate has spun up again, and a lot of the typical faces are all over it. As well as everyone's favorite LateNightAutist.
Up to AND including actual statements about the intent to come after Tucci.
I tried to figure out how to embed the tweet, but I'm still a complete idiot on formatting here, and figured simplicity was better over flawed execution.

 

[MechaWashington]

I do give Gwenpool some credit for at least having a writer who seems to be aware of what a gimmick she is for the main series considering the overarching plot if the book is “Gwenpool gets into gimmicky misadventures and guest appearances from A-list heroes in an increasingly desperate effort to stay relevant against the real enemy of her story: cancellation.”

Plus it’s the only book I can think of where a nuMarvel writer was willing to have a scene like this:
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It’s probably the only nuMarvel book that I was a little sad to see go.

huh, this was actually very sad and somewhat funny way to send off a useless character. (God, I'm such an idiot for buying the variant cover of her first issue)

They aren't entirely wrong when they say they helped Manga. They alienated much of the core comic book reading audience to the point that many of them chose to dip into manga instead. It's not the audience keeping the comic industry afloat, it's the expensive and annoying advertising, constant licensing of their properties (games, movies, tv shows, films) for decades, and the fact that the Big Two are owned by companies that are willing to keep their comic division afloat.

Honestly, this guy really has the points down for the comparison between manga and comics.
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Comics used to be a hardcore nerd only community. you have to understand that there was a time when comics where in the same shoes that manga is right now. Once Hollywood manages to bring manga/anime adaptations to the general population, its only a matter of time before people cry more representation in manga. I mean, there is already a taste of the future: High Gradian Spice or whatever the fuck that shitty crunchy roll original is called.

 

[El Jagre]

For whatever reason the Alterna hate has spun up again, and a lot of the typical faces are all over it. As well as everyone's favorite LateNightAutist.
Up to AND including actual statements about the intent to come after Tucci.
I tried to figure out how to embed the tweet, but I'm still a complete idiot on formatting here, and figured simplicity was better over flawed execution.

Wow @LateNightComics why do that to Alterna? What are the odds this Ryan guy you're circlejerking with is a sexual predator?

 

[damian]

For whatever reason the Alterna hate has spun up again, and a lot of the typical faces are all over it. As well as everyone's favorite LateNightAutist.
Up to AND including actual statements about the intent to come after Tucci.
I tried to figure out how to embed the tweet, but I'm still a complete idiot on formatting here, and figured simplicity was better over flawed execution.

Reminder, @LateNightComics bought adspace on Alterna: