#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Manwithn0n0men said:
Is their a chapter titled
>Why I keep making bad decisions marrying ethnic chicks
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There's only three chapters:
1. BOOT
2. OKI/FAP
3. WAR

He does talk a little bit how his enlistment in the Marine Corps affected his marriage, though.
 
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FRAG said:
I think the more fascinating thing is that Ya Boi Zach, with no comic pro experience, no publisher experience, and while fighting a lawsuit against Mark Waid, managed to get out two books and a remastered campaign to completion and customer satisfaction while EVS hasn't even been able to do one. The novice out performs the industry veteran.
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that’s what I like about Zach. He listens to feedback, puts out books consistently and manages to stay out of drama while still staying relevant.

FRAG said:
Mike S. Miller and Doug TenNapel have both walked away with successful campaigns. Both of their books did better than the first.
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doug can survive without CG, I’m not so sure about Mike. Lonestar isn’t exactly a character I would like to know better since he is pretty much Captain America.
 
IGG, KS, and old school comic creators who just stayed completely away from Comicgate's seem to be doing better overall as their message is only about the comic itself nothing else.
 
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BEST_MAN_202 said:
I just want to ask, is Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack / (FORMERLY) Diversity and Comics a good guy or not?
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No, he's not a good guy, he's the BEST.

He's nice, doesn't get into twitt3r slapfights, puts his books out relatively on time, never lies about production issues, keeps everyone updated, and has funny videos.

I thought he was gay for the first week I was watching his videos, but that's just his voice, lol.

Uranus Pink said:
IGG, KS, and old school comic creators who just stayed completely away from Comicgate's seem to be doing better overall as their message is only about the comic itself nothing else.
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There is definitely some short term gain for people that are already successful and dip in though.
 
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I visit /r/KotakuInAction for the first time in a month and see this on the front page...

Mike S. Miller here, 27 year comic book artist formerly of Comicsgate, formerly of DC Comics, formerly of Marvel comics... a lot of formerly's... AMA!

Surprisingly reasonable, and readable, at least as far as I took it. Is Miller one of those people suseptible to the whole "Medium is the message" thing? As in, he's not normally a sperg, but livestreaming and Twitter short-circuit his ability to do anything but go full on Stimulus-Response? Dunno.
 
Zack did in fact give glowing reviews for the animes of both One Punch Man and Berserk. He then went on to purchase volumes of both mangas and review them as well. The only one he was dismissive of was My Hero Academia because he didn’t find it interesting, but he still went to the effort of buying it, reading it, and giving it a half-assed review.

He’s also stated the books he was paid to review were put in storage during one of his moves before he settled down at his friend’s house. Since then he has reviewed the paperback of Swamp Thing he was paid to review.
 
Zack manages to stay out of Twitter drama, get his books out within a reasonable time frame, and does this while parenting his personal Burger King Kids Club.
 
I've not heard YBZ mention the "secret project" in a while, is there any news on what that is/when it will be announced? For some reason I got the impression it's a licensed IP he managed to get, but I can't remember why I think that.
 
The creators who currently operate under the umbrella of ComicsGate still occasionally remember to mention that it is a customer-orientated movement. As I see it, Comicsgate faces two serious problems that will potentially hobble consumer confidence if they remain unaddressed.

The first is the timely delivery of product and perks, and communication with backers regarding progress.

Here Zack (Richard C Meyer) is setting positive benchmarks: He is a self-motivated grafter with good management skills. He sets himself realistic goals. He hustles projects along. He has an idea of how long it will take to go from a blank page to a finished graphic novel. He doesn't over-reach in terms of extras. He is now at a point where his projects are more or less complete, prior to him taking orders from customers. His videos usually include daily updates on the progress of his current Indiegogo campaign. You come away with the impression of someone who is very hands-on in all aspects of production, who learns from his mistakes and who genuinely loves what he is putting out. He wants what eventually ends up in the hands of his customers to be the best that it can be. He is driving for quality and efficiency.

I think this business-like approach is something that other creators under ComicsGate would do well to emulate. They need to ask themselves questions along the lines of: How long is it going to take me finish this book? How do I organise my life to ensure that I do complete it within the time I have allotted? How long will it take to produce physical copies of the book and any attendant perks? If I going to sign the books, or personalise the books in some other way, how long will that take and when am I going to do it? How long will it take to get everything into the hands of my backers? And how will I keep these backers informed of my progress so that I don't alienate them as customers?

I recall a ComicsGate livestream from around this time last year, when Ethan was adamant that he was going to be a driving force, making sure that projects associated with ComicsGate were fulfilled; the thought being that any delays or failures would tarnish the reputation of ComicsGate as a whole. Since then, the issue of timely fulfillment has become one that creators often get defensive over and are seemingly reluctant to discuss. There is this attitude that all crowdfunded projects are late so it doesn't really matter. The problem is that it does matter to the customers that ComicsGate claims to put front and centre.

By far the worst transgressors are the Breitweisers who, very cynically in my opinion, used their groundswell of support for Red Rooster to establish themselves as publishers and parlay a deal with a major retailer. If I have understood the situation correctly, it is plausible that Red Rooster #1 will be available in this retailer before original backers receive their physical copies of the collected issues 1-3. It looks like, having taken funding from their supporters, the Breitweisers immediately shunted these people to the back of a queue of priorities that originated after the funding campaign. Their attitude towards these backers seems to be: 'We're really busy, but we'll get to you when we can.” That is an appalling attitude to have towards the people who got you up and running. If their retail ambitions go south and they have to rely exclusively on crowdfunding the support isn't going to be there like it was before. If you want to know what happens when comic book publishers ignore their core audience and go chasing after phantom demographics, then look at the diminishing fortunes of Marvel and DC these past few years.

The other major issue currently impacting ComicsGate is the eternal back and forth drama which has recently escalated into the threat of a lawsuit. This constant public airing of irritable petty grievance is unprofessional and likely to alienate existing customers, who will quietly drift away, as well as putting off any new ones who poke their heads around the door.

Unfortunately, in ComicsGate, drama translates into livestreams which translates into super chats. There is money to be made from it, however these short term gains come at the expense of the reputations of creators and the movement as a whole.

Ethan has frequently hyperbolised that the potential audience for crowd-funded comics is limitless. That potential growth will not happen if creators continue to behave like bickering five-years-olds who need to be pulled apart every few minutes. There is no resolution, or final victory to be had in this endless tit for tat. You win when you stop responding to it, get your head down and focus on your work.

I think, at this point, the honeymoon period is over for ComicsGate. Supporters are starting to get restless. Those creators who take the customer-focused ethos to heart and get their act together will have a future.
 
Weeb Slinger said:
Here Zack (Richard C Meyer) is setting positive benchmarks: He is a self-motivated grafter with good management skills. He sets himself realistic goals. He hustles projects along. He has an idea of how long it will take to go from a blank page to a finished graphic novel. He doesn't over-reach in terms of extras. He is now at a point where his projects are more or less complete, prior to him taking orders from customers. His videos usually include daily updates on the progress of his current Indiegogo campaign. You come away with the impression of someone who is very hands-on in all aspects of production, who learns from his mistakes and who genuinely loves what he is putting out. He wants what eventually ends up in the hands of his customers to be the best that it can be. He is driving for quality and efficiency.

I think this business-like approach is something that other creators under ComicsGate would do well to emulate. They need to ask themselves questions along the lines of: How long is it going to take me finish this book? How do I organise my life to ensure that I do complete it within the time I have allotted? How long will it take to produce physical copies of the book and any attendant perks? If I going to sign the books, or personalise the books in some other way, how long will that take and when am I going to do it? How long will it take to get everything into the hands of my backers? And how will I keep these backers informed of my progress so that I don't alienate them as customers?
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I got to meet Meyer back at sxsw during the Frank Miller signing prior to his first indiegogo and all the Waid drama. He mentions me and my wife in the video he did after meeting Frank. Zack is a class act individual irl, just a super humble dude who tried not to make a big deal about the compliments we gave him about his videos and what he was doing by shining a light on the bad business practices of comic publishers and retailers. It's not surprising to me how he's handled his projects after talking to him.

I've only backed a few of the projects that flew under the 'comicsgate' banner: Keung Lee's book, Cyberfrog, Kyle Ritter's book, and Malin's two books. So far, I don't feel like I've been burnt like some of you. I also don't really care about a lot of the made up drama supposedly going on with all this (sounds like most of it is fake clickbait). But I could see that stuff coming a mile away when jawbreakers took off. Suddenly, everyone "had a book" they were going to crowdfund. It really jumped the shark when TUG did one. I mean, come on...

Guys like Meyer and Malin can be successful at this sort of thing because they have the self discipline to get up in the morning and work at it.
 
Wise Man said:
If the Breitweiser's "Walmart deal" a win or loss for comicsgate?
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It looks like a scheme to steal backer money, use it to make even more money, then finally fulfill orders. The comics will not be big sellers in WalMart. It might sell 25 copies per thousand. If some kid wants to read a comic about a flamboyant cocksucker called 'Red Rooster' they'll open it and read it in the store. But I doubt they'll even do that. Comics are for old fat bastards trying to relieve their childhood. Old fat bastards like "America's Greatest Cocksucker" EVS. I personally doubt EVS is even an above average cocksucker. I feel rumors of EVS pleasuring guys into heart attacks at the pizza shop have been greatly exaggerated.

There are Marvel and DC comics that sit in WalMart unsold and those comics feature characters that are household names with millions of fans. When this is over, Breitweiser will be banging his cocksucking face into his keyboard, backers won't be getting comics and Breitweiser's little plan will be a bust. Oh, and EVS will be blaming ex-CG guys for the failure.
 
Adamska said:
Loss too since it means that you the consumer might as well let these drama queens all starve and learn that Youtube is a fickle beast that doesn't last long.
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i see that as an absolute win
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I love how proud he is of this. It's cute
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I also think this is the happiest I've seen Ya Boi in a video in a while and it's for a Gwenpool comic. For the lazy, the comic basically makes fun of the fact that Gwenpool's personality has been drastically different in all of her outings showing that she doesn't actually have much of a personality ironically
 
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