#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Uranus Pink said:
The irony of "slice-of-life" or the western "superheroes/supervillains day off" variant for DC and Marvel is they were quite capable of doing it right up until the mid 90ies before the dark times started and went into full swing.
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A lot of it has to due with the current batch of writers being boring, narcissistic shut-ins who have no real social experiences to fall back and have no interest in anyone else's experience outside of their own.

I'm sure the tweet has been deleted by now, but Hellcat "writer" Kate Leth exemplified the mindset behind nuMarvel and current #woke titles perfectly when she mentioned she hates writing characters facing any sort of difficulty or conflict because it supposedly stressed her out. It explains a lot about why their writing sucks so hard no matter what the subject is.
 
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Doug’s art objectively bad. It’s very clearly a cartoony/indie style. I mentioned Sam Kieth earlier today who draws in a similar style and doesn’t necessarily have much more detail to his art. Doug has even gone on to say The Maxx is the only good comic of the 90’s, so it would be safe to assume it’s inspired his art to a degree.
 
Oh hey, my copy of Soulfinder: Demon's Match came into my mailbox and onto this ratty carpet:
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I generally like Donny Cates’ projects (Guardians of the Galaxy is absolute trash) but he’s really blossomed into a massive faggot in the past few months. Disregarding the autistic non-back-and-forth between him and EVS, his attitude towards customers in general has just turned really awful.

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Detrogen said:
I generally like Donny Cates’ projects (Guardians of the Galaxy is absolute trash) but he’s really blossomed into a massive faggot in the past few months. Disregarding the autistic non-back-and-forth between him and EVS, his attitude towards customers in general has just turned really awful.

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Didn't Donny want to do a collab with Ethan?
 
KingofNothing said:
Didn't Donny want to do a collab with Ethan?
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Yeah back in 2016. Recently Cates used a blockbot on @FROG and all his followers after a spat with a fan of his.
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“@Doncates @Solferx @EthanVanSciver Wow. Was a huge fan Donny until now. Literally spent 100s on your books. Way to paint a broad brush on a ton of your fans, especially when you felt the same way. Thought you were better than that.”
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RodgerDodger said:
Well yes, Image finally fired him for that. Which was impressive as he was a partner. (Well that and his other amazingly bad business practices. And he was their financials guy!)
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There was also that incident with Jim Shooter of Valiant Comics going to Liefeld's home with a loaded .45 in order to get Liefeld to complete his art for Deathmate Red to put an end to that abortion of a crossover.

Edit: My memory is fuzzy on whether did Jim bring a gun or not.
 
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I don’t follow Donal because he has basic bitch takes on everything but somehow the comic pro collective dragged him into my feed. I don’t know what’s up in the comic-sphere today but between my earlier post with Donny Cates and this, there’s this weird pervasive mentality among these employees of a failing industry that they’re some kind of celebrities.

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Manwithn0n0men said:
There is a Axis of Passion

Guys like YBZ are towards the Passionate end. Guys like ethan are more to the middle. I think Mike has less passion
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I think you are mistaken here. Ya Boi and Mike S. Miller are definitely more passionate about comics, while other people choose to sell coins with stickers on them on IGG.
 
Mr_Fan said:
I think you are mistaken here. Ya Boi and Mike S. Miller are definitely more passionate about comics, while other people choose to sell coins with stickers on them on IGG.
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I dont feel the passion in Mike's work [Comic or YT joint]

Detrogen said:
I don’t follow Donal because he has basic bitch takes on everything but somehow the comic pro collective dragged him into my feed. I don’t know what’s up in the comic-sphere today but between my earlier post with Donny Cates and this, there’s this weird pervasive mentality among these employees of a failing industry that they’re some kind of celebrities.
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What Celebrities on twitter don't understand

Interactions with fans =/< Response from fans

The more positive your interactions with fans are, the better your responses are
and the more positive fan responses you reply to the more positive ones you get.
HOWEVER the REVERSE is also true
The more negative fan responses you reply to the more negative ones you get
 
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Mr_Fan said:
The man spent three days drawing pages of tiny shards of broken glass. Mike definitely has the passion to make comics.
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Passion and talent don't save you from making bad decisions. If you can say "I'm having trouble providing for my family" and also "I have 5 digits in bitcoin", chances are you weren't blessed with very good judgement.

Mike having such an ego when he's so obviously being crippled by the consequences of his stupid decisions makes him the "TUG" of this group. Truly exceptional 👌
 
StringyLeeds said:
Passion and talent don't save you from making bad decisions. If you can say "I'm having trouble providing for my family" and also "I have 5 digits in bitcoin", chances are you weren't blessed with very good judgement.

Mike having such an ego when he's so obviously being crippled by the consequences of his stupid decisions makes him the "TUG" of this group. Truly exceptional 👌
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I'm not sure what any of that has to do with what was being addressed. The accusation was that Mike wasn't passionate about comics.

I'm learning that many creators have massive egos. The irony, of course, being that the much more humble manga artists put each comic pro in the West to shame with their sales numbers.
 
StringyLeeds said:
Ethan may be a fat bald narcissist, but at least he's a very talented artist. No one can take that away from him. Doug's art is objectively shittier in every way.
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Imagine meeting Bill Waterson and telling him that Todd McFarlane can draw better tigers.



Detrogen said:
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Doug’s art objectively bad. It’s very clearly a cartoony/indie style.
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And it works with the tone and comedic style of the story. BFB also being a complete and self-contained adventure.

The problem with Cyberfrog isn't just the lateness, or the lie about being printed in prestige format. It's the writing. 56 pages of story and most of them are spent establishing the current state of Cyberfrog's world, and only partially. It felt abrupt and unsatisfying.

There is a difference between wanting more because you enjoyed the experience, and wanting more because the final product is incomplete. After BFB, I thought "this is fun," after Cyberfrog wrapped up I was wondering if some pages fell out in the bag.
 
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