#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Own]

I guess I could sort of see him being cordial with EVS in a way anyone deep inside the Big 2 hive-mind will not or probably cannot be, but that would be about it.

Yeah. I agree. SGM doesn't want to offend Ethan's fanbase as there is certainly crossover where crowdfunding is concerned. Ethan's passive aggressive "critiques" of SGM seem designed to praise SGM while suggesting to the fans that SGM shouldn't be supported by CG and isn't the brave culture warrior that Ethan is. FROG wants the prestige that would come with CG poaching a major A-lister like SGM but he doesn't want the competition in the movement as SGM would eclipse Ethan on several fronts and possibly even hurt his bottom line as well as his ego.

I don't know about that, Ethan spent a significant portion of a stream he did just shittallking SGM, probably out of jealousy and mocking his video that he did about being uncertain about jumping into crowdfunding. YellowFlash was the one who jumped at every chance to say the more extreme shit against SGM than Ethan, but he was egging it on. The funny thing is, in that stream, Ethan was saying how SJWs get to you is that they need to radicalize you into their cult via virtue signaling and psychological/mental attacks, which is exactly what Ethan goes onto do to SGM

Very insightful comment. Ethan has a habit of defining the tactics of his enemies while not recognizing that he's obviously engaged in those very tactics himself.

What does he even have to be jealous of.

Respect. SGM is loved by the fans in bigger numbers than Ethan ever was and liked and respected by his peers in a way Ethan as a narcissist thinks he's entitled to but has never received. Further the critical acclaim SGM received for White Knight in both story and art eclipses all praise for Ethan even when he was drawing the most popular Green Lantern stories Jeff Johns could write.

Also SGM is a naturally likeable guy. (a bit soy but likeable) He just seems like a decent human being and despite all of Ethan's considerable charisma no one outside his cult considers him a decent human being.

Point is, credited swiping has always been part and parcel in the comic book industry.

Generally homages are done of iconic covers like Fernandez's Secret Wars/Monster Hunt cover or any Captain America #1 homage. When the cover being swiped from is not easily recognized the "homage" looks like plain laziness.

And Capeknight is right, tracing isn't just frowned upon but is thouroughly derided throughout the comics community as evidenced by the career of Greg Land.

 

[CapeKnight]

And Capeknight is right, tracing isn't just frowned upon but is thouroughly derided throughout the comics community as evidenced by the career of Greg Land.

It was a big deal in manga too, when Toyotaro, the successor to Akira Toriyama supposedly traced an image of Captain America for Goku.



Now, I think this falls a bit more in line with using a reference, since you can actually move the image around and it doesn't exactly fit, except for a few points like the hand. It's not just Comics that it's severely frowned upon, this was a pretty big controversy for a bit (until it sank away like everything comic/manga related as something else more important takes its place).

 

[A nameless trool]

Those particular WCs didn't change their understanding in the past few months, you did. Your "heart" was War Campaign remember? What was that framed poster on your wall?

Oh.

Once you run out of human shields to take the hits for your bad decisions, will you be able to sustain the now multi-million dollar lifestyle you are swiftly adapting to? You are playing with some big bucks there, Sciverfrog, and the prospect of even a slight downgrade is making you a very sloppy eater.

I believe EVS is aiming for the #1 crowdfunded project. Doug and SGM are people who can de-throne him.
I also think he is cleaning house to attract more reputable artists into the fold.

My impression is that he plans to milk as many people as he can for 3-4 CyberFrog books before going to Holywood, Video Game makers, cartoons or mass market reprints. once TDS dies down and he is uncancelled. Crowdfunding money is change compared to the above.
I would also argue that he does not delay CF because he is lazy, but because he wants to get the most out of each campaign. He could easily pencil 48 pages in 3-6 months and have somebody (Kyle?) ink them on the down low and have 2-3 campaigns in a year. That could be double or triple the money, but he won't be able to be #1 for the clout. @FROG is not doing it for crowdfunding money or, if he does, he is a dumb fuck.

 

[CapeKnight]

he is a dumb fuck.

That's all you need to know about @FROG

There's a reason I compare CyberFrog to having the look and feel of a Michael Bay movie: it's because it's designed to aim for that. All flash, no substance. However, CyberFrog does not have the following, nostalgia, nor the merchandise factor that Transformers or TMNT did. Not even close to the popularity. Todd McFarlene's new Spawn movie has been in development for years, and he's always confirmed it's still coming, even now. If Todd McFarlene, someone who's had animated works, a movie, a huge toyline, and long running source material to pull from hasn't been able to lift off his new movie off the ground yet, in what world will CyberFrog achieve that unless it's through some shady backdoor type deal that is insincere (although, that is Hollywood in a nutshell), and who will open that door for him? Adam Friended seems like an errand boy more than anything, like many have stated. Doug T. was his ticket. And he blew that chance away himself.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

That's all you need to know about @FROG

There's a reason I compare CyberFrog to having the look and feel of a Michael Bay movie: it's because it's designed to aim for that. All flash, no substance. However, CyberFrog does not have the following, nostalgia, nor the merchandise factor that Transformers or TMNT did. Not even close to the popularity. Todd McFarlene's new Spawn movie has been in development for years, and he's always confirmed it's still coming, even now. If Todd McFarlene, someone who's had animated works, a movie, a huge toyline, and long running source material to pull from hasn't been able to lift off his new movie off the ground yet, in what world will CyberFrog achieve that unless it's through some shady backdoor type deal that is insincere (although, that is Hollywood in a nutshell), and who will open that door for him? Adam Friended seems like an errand boy more than anything, like many have stated.

The ultimate irony about @FROG and his Hollywood ambitions is how often YBZ complains about SJWs infiltrating the comic book industry for no other reason than to make Hollywood connections. For a while he was bitching about it every second or third video, and also noting that the money wasn't all that good in the final analysis and that it would generally be a long time coming, if ever.

Does EVS not watch Zach's videos?

 

[CapeKnight]

Does EVS not watch Zach's videos?

I think the real question is: Does EVS even actually give a fuck about Zack? We've seen his involvement in the Alfie Saga (albeit very limited), but that was pre-CG. Who was Zack to Ethan before then?

 

[A nameless trool]

That's all you need to know about @FROG

There's a reason I compare CyberFrog to having the look and feel of a Michael Bay movie: it's because it's designed to aim for that. All flash, no substance. However, CyberFrog does not have the following, nostalgia, nor the merchandise factor that Transformers or TMNT did. Not even close to the popularity. Todd McFarlene's new Spawn movie has been in development for years, and he's always confirmed it's still coming, even now. If Todd McFarlene, someone who's had animated works, a movie, a huge toyline, and long running source material to pull from hasn't been able to lift off his new movie off the ground yet, in what world will CyberFrog achieve that unless it's through some shady backdoor type deal that is insincere (although, that is Hollywood in a nutshell), and who will open that door for him? Adam Friended seems like an errand boy more than anything, like many have stated. Doug T. was his ticket. And he blew that chance away himself.

I believe the Spawn movie is not coming together because Todd wants to direct it and/or many non MCU properties have failed spectacularly (Hellboy, Bloodshot, even the X-Men) on a 90's property that is getting forgotten over time. The fact that he broke a record for longest indie comic and pushed Spawn 300 on #1 in sales gives him some clout.

At the same time, in 2023, Cyberfrog will be this cult favourite comic from the 90's that was too edgy for it's era that broke all records when it was revived through crowdfunding, created by legendary Green Lantern artist EVS, who was ousted by the mainstream industry because of his political beliefs by a bunch of evil far-left extremists who lost the comicbook and movie industry millions of dollars in the 10's so he created this movement where artists where free to create outside of a corrupt system.
This is the narrative EVS is building all along.

Also, Cyberfrog (and Jawbreakers) are not a repurposed indie film like the Image comics YBZ is complaining about. Given to proper tallent, they can become big budget movies.
Retired Marvel Knights gone Expendables and a robotic frog fighting man-eating alien wasps are great blockbuster material.

 

[CapeKnight]

I believe the Spawn movie is not coming together because Todd wants to direct it and/or many non MCU properties have failed spectacularly (Hellboy, Bloodshot, even the X-Men) on a 90's property that is getting forgotten over time. The fact that he broke a record for longest indie comic and pushed Spawn 300 on #1 in sales gives him some clout.

At the same time, in 2023, Cyberfrog will be this cult favourite comic from the 90's that was too edgy for it's era that broke all records when it was revived through crowdfunding, created by legendary Green Lantern artist EVS, who was ousted by the mainstream industry because of his political beliefs by a bunch of evil far-left extremists who lost the comicbook and movie industry millions of dollars in the 10's so he created this movement where artists where free to create outside of a corrupt system.
This is the narrative EVS is building all along.

Also, Cyberfrog (and Jawbreakers) are not a repurposed indie film like the Image comics YBZ is complaining about. Given to proper tallent, they can become big budget movies.
Retired Marvel Knights gone Expendables and a robotic frog fighting man-eating alien wasps are great blockbuster material.

Non-MCU properties succeeding isn't impossible. They were succeeding before the MCU was a thing, and Hellboy succeeded before it's reboot. It has more to do with getting the proper talent, like you said, but, would anyone in 2023 work with a well established Ethan Van Grifter, who sang "Daddy Can't Rape Us All" and "Wolverine is Gay", who encouraged a group of internet speds known as WarCampaign to go after people he doesn't like as well as dox people and purity test it's members, and when the time came for it, he attempted to wipe his hands clean and attempt revisionist history that he totally didn't co-opt an internet movement to pursue a sad e-celeb status?

Whatever narrative Ethan is building, it can't compete with the negatives of associating yourself with him. Don't know what Praetorian means, or if the warning was real, but he did say that Law Enforcement is getting involved at the end of his video.

Also, from what I know of Richard C. Meyer, he sends his scripts in a movie script format to his artists, not comic book format. Just something to think about.

Lastly, even if Ethan isn't doing this for crowdfunding money, and that he's trying to do it for Hollywood money, I don't think it'll work, honestly. People have been cancelled in Hollywood for less than what Ethan's done, condone, or has been complicit in. Money doesn't mean quality either. The term "blockbuster films" now has no meaning beyond explosions and CGI. There is no story. Ethan's also worried about people changing elements in his book for an adaptation, which wouldn't be too hard to do, except maybe actually putting a story into the book.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

At the same time, in 2023, Cyberfrog will be this cult favourite comic from the 90's that was too edgy for it's era that broke all records when it was revived through crowdfunding, created by legendary Green Lantern

What records did it (or he) break, exactly?

I know he's done very well for himself, but I somehow thought there've been bigger crowd funded comics, both before and after Cyberfrog. Is Cyberfrog the biggest of all time?

 

[CapeKnight]

What records did it (or he) break, exactly?

I know he's done very well for himself, but I somehow thought there've been bigger crowd funded comics, both before and after Cyberfrog. Is Cyberfrog the biggest of all time?

No, he hasn't broken the record. He mentioned it in a previous stream, it was something Sticks that he needs to beat next, unless Doug T. outdoes him this time around (not sure about this).

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Does anyone know how much of a cut IGG takes from campaigns hosted on their site?

Also, is the page count for Vestige2 listed anywhere? They don't seem to mention how long it is on their campaign page.

 

[A nameless trool]

No, he hasn't broken the record. He mentioned it in a previous stream, it was something Sticks that he needs to beat next, unless Doug T. outdoes him this time around (not sure about this).

It was order of the stick, a webcomic.

And I don't say EVS will succeed. But I believe this is his plan, hoping that by 2023 the PC/SJW movement will swing back to the edgy/non-PC 00's

 

[Newman's Own]

He could easily pencil 48 pages in 3-6 months and have somebody (Kyle?) ink them on the down low

Ethan hasn't devoted any real time to pencils for some time. He ads almost everything on the backend with inks. I would barely call his pencils layouts at this point. For him to provide pencils for someone else to ink without losing his style at this point would require almost as much work as doing it the way he does now and people would likely notice and he'd get called out.



The appeal of Ethan's work is in the over detailed inkwork and not the fundamentals like layout, perspective, anatomy or dynamic figures. His inks are where his success lies. He'd be foolish to abandon them.

At the same time, in 2023, Cyberfrog will be this cult favourite comic from the 90's that was too edgy for it's era that broke all records when it was revived through crowdfunding, created by legendary Green Lantern artist EVS, who was ousted by the mainstream industry because of his political beliefs by a bunch of evil far-left extremists who lost the comicbook and movie industry millions of dollars in the 10's so he created this movement where artists where free to create outside of a corrupt system.
This is the narrative EVS is building all along.

None of that will matter because Hollywood will still be run by the same people who run it now. Ethan's reputation can be cleaned up from plutonium to enriched uranium if there's a political seachange which is possible but uranium is still to radioactive to the touch and will give you cancer.

And I don't say EVS will succeed. But I believe this is his plan, hoping that by 2023 the PC/SJW movement will swing back to the edgy/non-PC 00's

That may be the plan but he fucked it up when he went to far with WarCampaign. There are literally thousands of receipts out there and plenty of people on the left, right and center that have been fucked over by him or hate him for other reasons who would spam the internet with those receipts if he ever gets a sniff from a major Hollywood studio.

Also the concept for CF while Hollywood blockbuster material is derivative of so many other movies at this point. Without a significantly compelling hook or undeniable story Hollywood brass would pass it over for anything not connected to the Caesar of "gay porno harassment" former or otherwise.

In 2020 Mags V. could maybe sell CyberFrog on identity politics in LA but in 2023 even with a possible pendulum swing to the right no one is going to want to take the PR risk on this shit show.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Hmmm... Claiming a criminal referral has been sent to a DA in Texas. Too bad the voice makes it impossible to believe.

 

[New Fag]

Does anyone know how much of a cut IGG takes from campaigns hosted on their site?

5% but there's extra for transaction and tranfering, it's 7.9% +30c for a US backer or $2.275 on a $25 book.

Spoiler: Text from IGG

Indiegogo charges a five percent (5%) platform fee on all funds raised for your campaign. Fees are calculated and deducted from the funds you actually raise (not the goal you set). Our payment processor also charges a processing fee that varies according to your location and currency. Here's all the information you need about Indiegogo's fees and pricing.

Currency	Transaction Fee	Transfer Fee
USD (with US bank account)	2.9%*+$0.30	$0 USD
CAD	2.9%*+$0.30	$25 CAD
EUR	2.9%*+0.30€	25€
GBP	2.9%*+£0.30	£25
AUD	2.9%*+$0.30	$25 AUD
HKD	3.9%*+$2	$200 HKD
CHF	2.9%*+Fr 0.30	Fr 25 CHF
DKK	2.9%*+Kr 3	Kr 175 DKK
NOK	2.9%*+Kr 3	Kr 225 NOK
SEK	2.9%*+Kr 3	Kr 250 SEK
SGD	3.9%*+$0.30	$50 SGD

*Payment processors may charge additional fees for contributions coming from outside the campaign owner's country. Please see Stripe's Terms of Use for more information.

Let's break down our fees in more detail.

Platform Fee: Indiegogo charges a 5% platform fee across all crowdfunding campaigns. If you are in our InDemand program and ran your campaign on Indiegogo, your platform fee remains 5%. If you ran your first campaign on another platform before joining our InDemand program, your platform fee is 8%. Please note that you may have a different platform fee if agreed upon by you and Indiegogo.

Transaction Fees: Each contribution your campaign receives is subject to a transaction fee charged by the payment processor. Transaction fees depend on the location of your bank account and the currency in which you raise funds. There may be additional fees charged by the credit card networks and payment processors if contributions are made via a non-local credit card. Please visit Stripe's Terms of Use for more information on their fees.

Transfer Fee: Transfer fees, or Bank Delivery Fees, are applied each time we send funds to your bank account.

Please note:

• Your bank may charge additional fees such as currency conversion, wire fees, etc. Indiegogo always recommends you contact your bank for more information before entering your bank account information on your campaign. Indiegogo is not responsible for fees incurred by the campaigner as a result of a disbursement - including currency conversion, processing fees, or other bank/financial institution fees.
• There are no fees applied to Fixed Funding campaigns that don't meet their goal - all backers are refunded within 5 business days from the campaign's end date.

https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/204456408-Fees-Pricing-for-Campaigners-How-much-does-Indiegogo-cost-

 

[CapeKnight]

The Frog suddenly changed his named to "Humble Frog Merchant" from "LORD CAESAR". What's he got? Bipolar Disorder? Split Personalities? And what's this fake optimism for Doug all of the sudden? Or is it a set up in case EWJ 2 doesn't do as well as the first one, and he could roll back on that claim (because we know Ethan's bad at estimation)? Either ways, I'm not buying any of his pretenses towards Doug so far.

EDIT: Also, Liam's first headline when it comes to promoting his book today is that his page count is higher than Doug's:



Overcompensate much? Also, what the fuck is up with the video game adaptation? This is the first time I've heard of it. And the Pewdiepie thing, sure, Pewdiepie isn't an art critic. He couldn't even name the Zaku in his room, he called it a Gundam. Pewds is not the guy you go to for anime knowledge, he's just a casual weeb.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

5% but there's extra for transaction and tranfering, it's 7.9% +30c for a US backer or $2.275 on a $25 book.

Spoiler: Text from IGG

Indiegogo charges a five percent (5%) platform fee on all funds raised for your campaign. Fees are calculated and deducted from the funds you actually raise (not the goal you set). Our payment processor also charges a processing fee that varies according to your location and currency. Here's all the information you need about Indiegogo's fees and pricing.

Currency	Transaction Fee	Transfer Fee
USD (with US bank account)	2.9%*+$0.30	$0 USD
CAD	2.9%*+$0.30	$25 CAD
EUR	2.9%*+0.30€	25€
GBP	2.9%*+£0.30	£25
AUD	2.9%*+$0.30	$25 AUD
HKD	3.9%*+$2	$200 HKD
CHF	2.9%*+Fr 0.30	Fr 25 CHF
DKK	2.9%*+Kr 3	Kr 175 DKK
NOK	2.9%*+Kr 3	Kr 225 NOK
SEK	2.9%*+Kr 3	Kr 250 SEK
SGD	3.9%*+$0.30	$50 SGD

*Payment processors may charge additional fees for contributions coming from outside the campaign owner's country. Please see Stripe's Terms of Use for more information.

Let's break down our fees in more detail.

Platform Fee: Indiegogo charges a 5% platform fee across all crowdfunding campaigns. If you are in our InDemand program and ran your campaign on Indiegogo, your platform fee remains 5%. If you ran your first campaign on another platform before joining our InDemand program, your platform fee is 8%. Please note that you may have a different platform fee if agreed upon by you and Indiegogo.

Transaction Fees: Each contribution your campaign receives is subject to a transaction fee charged by the payment processor. Transaction fees depend on the location of your bank account and the currency in which you raise funds. There may be additional fees charged by the credit card networks and payment processors if contributions are made via a non-local credit card. Please visit Stripe's Terms of Use for more information on their fees.

Transfer Fee: Transfer fees, or Bank Delivery Fees, are applied each time we send funds to your bank account.

Please note:

• Your bank may charge additional fees such as currency conversion, wire fees, etc. Indiegogo always recommends you contact your bank for more information before entering your bank account information on your campaign. Indiegogo is not responsible for fees incurred by the campaigner as a result of a disbursement - including currency conversion, processing fees, or other bank/financial institution fees.
• There are no fees applied to Fixed Funding campaigns that don't meet their goal - all backers are refunded within 5 business days from the campaign's end date.

https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/204456408-Fees-Pricing-for-Campaigners-How-much-does-Indiegogo-cost-

I was just curious how much Ro would be losing by backing himself to save face. 5% isn't nearly as high as I thought it'd be.

The Vestige2 campaign was obviously rushed together and quickly thrown up to cover for the CGJumpstart collapse. The reason I was asking for the page count is because they have 48 pages of original art for sale as a premium but on their stream last night Gat mentioned they're currently drawing one of the double-page spreads. Are they going to cut it in half and sell each half to different backers?

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Does anyone know how much of a cut IGG takes from campaigns hosted on their site?

Also, is the page count for Vestige2 listed anywhere? They don't seem to mention how long it is on their campaign page.

Between them and Stripe (credit card processor) they take 8% plus $0.30 per backer. That $0.30 per backer is why they don't allow you to combine tiers when you order, and they make you back multiple times.

They also started to hold 5% for 6 months after your campaign ends, so you need to be sure if you run a campaign that you can do it even without that 5%. 5% might not sound like a lot but it can make a difference depending in your numbers.

 

[AnOminous]

Between them and Stripe (credit card processor) they take 8% plus $0.30 per backer. That $0.30 per backer is why they don't allow you to combine tiers when you order, and they make you back multiple times.

They also started to hold 5% for 6 months after your campaign ends, so you need to be sure if you run a campaign that you can do it even without that 5%. 5% might not sound like a lot but it can make a difference depending in your numbers.

No wonder these platforms attract so many scams. Most people who weren't scammers would not let themselves be ripped off to this enormous degree.

 

[New Fag]

That $0.30 per backer is why they don't allow you to combine tiers when you order, and they make you back multiple times.

Not true, there is a way to do 'add-ons', Alterna used it on their Christmas campaign it saved me quite a bit in shipping.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/twelve-days-of-alterna/x/12380997#/