#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[NasserRabadi13]

They drove away professionals that delivered and potential backers and scared off more of both. Useful only to someone who values position, not to someone growing a movement.



Who still streams about comics? @FROG rarely does actual comic streams and most of those he spends on CG drama. I'm not going to argue but actually entertaining YT people who used to stream about comics don't anymore.




I know your a CG shill, but c'mon. He built that audience pretending to care about Star Wars. Then he converted enough of them into people who saw his audience as a way to shill there own shit.



If you have talent and aren't an idiot, both. Doug's fine, he's making money and flipping Frog off. Mike could have been making money if he wasn't an idiot. The people who had smarts and ability did their time being Frog's bitch and moved on.



All that was missing were the dildos.... Speaking of, get in there Nass, slap both those idiots!



Hmm. I don't know.

Consider this. Ro is an idiot. He wanted more than anything to be the access line to the pros. I think its more likely Doug and Mike and Edwin represented threats to that and he flexed on them. It backfired first with Doug, who figured out what was happening because it was done to him before. Then Ro flexed on Mike and Edwin. It worked for awhile, but I think Edwin's conscious got to him. Basically Ro took people who did not like Frog as things stood and he miscalculated.

I did join, but didnt really have anything to say. I did have a good laugh though, and thought maybe I'd say something, but it was tough when there was no actual discussion outside of "NO YOU" and that j dollar dude or whatever his name is, saying "bUt YoU cOuLdVe MaDe MoRe MoNeY"

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I did join, but didnt really have anything to say. I did have a good laugh though, and thought maybe I'd say something, but it was tough when there was no actual discussion outside of "NO YOU" and that j dollar dude or whatever his name is, saying "bUt YoU cOuLdVe MaDe MoRe MoNeY"

The new 10-guest Streamlabs thing is going to be a trainwreck for drama shows like Oz/Liam. 3 people talking over each other is bad enough, but 9? At least with Frog's streams the guests know to only speak when Dear Leader speaks to them (except Drunk Cecil whose schtick appears to just be interrupting everyone).

 

[jspit]

I agree Mike is correct.

I did join, but didnt really have anything to say. I did have a good laugh though, and thought maybe I'd say something, but it was tough when there was no actual discussion outside of "NO YOU" and that j dollar dude or whatever his name is, saying "bUt YoU cOuLdVe MaDe MoRe MoNeY"

I'm still making my way through. Holy shit its good stuff. Glad you had a good time. More people need to take this less seriously, which is hard when its a business for them.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I did join, but didnt really have anything to say. I did have a good laugh though, and thought maybe I'd say something, but it was tough when there was no actual discussion outside of "NO YOU" and that j dollar dude or whatever his name is, saying "bUt YoU cOuLdVe MaDe MoRe MoNeY"

Geez you get around. Rekeita is talking about you on his stream now re: CryptoFashion being shut down.

EDIT: it was just a brief mention about your feud with Delay while running down all the CG'ers who did business with CF. Frog is in the chat now too.

EDIT2: Now he's joining the stream.

 

[Rupin]

with Nasser on everybody’s mind right now, this might be a good time for him to launch a campaign.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Geez you get around. Rekeita is talking about you on his stream now re: CryptoFashion being shut down.

EDIT: it was just a brief mention about your feud with Delay while running down all the CG'ers who did business with CF. Frog is in the chat now too.

EDIT2: Now he's joining the stream.

Frog just cranked up his own 1am livestream and immediately begins gaslighting Warcampaign history to cover for the earlier Oz stream fallout.

 

[Newman's Own]

Then Ro flexed on Mike and Edwin. It worked for awhile, but I think Edwin's conscious got to him.

Edwin flipped on WarCampaign not long after @VIkkiVerse gave him receipts proving a WC member tracked down her dox and was dropping her personal info to try and intimidate her. All of WarCampaign started harassing her about being a waitress. (I don't know if she was a waitress. These morons are fuck ups at doxing people too.) So it's likely Edwin's conscience was getting to him or he actually didn't believe that WC was doing that shit before he got the receipts.

Ethan knew about this shit too and it was talked about during The Fall of Rome but he memory holed it when he flip flopped back to WarCampaign a couple days later.

Frog just cranked up his own 1am livestream and immediately begins gaslighting Warcampaign history to cover for the earlier Oz stream fallout.

It's truly amazing how many of these cows log onto his livestreams regularly and never go "Wait a minute, what Ethan's saying doesn't add up". I can only guess that their cult like belief in Ethan leads to epic levels of cognitive dissonance.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

So angry baling is trying to make a book? No wonder why he's a cg dick sucker and why micah 5 months late curly ass is on stream? Shouldn't he be working on his crusader book or that's gonna be 5 months late as well? But I guess nick got ddossed or his internet went out.

 

[Rupin]

With comic pros like Tom King and Scott Snyder making shitty attempts to dunk on Dean Cain, Mike could make a tidy profit off of MAGAnificent 7 if he plays his cards right. He probably won’t, but he COULD.

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I’ll predict his campaign will be lucky to hit 30 k, 40k tops. That’s being very generous of course. I think everyone who wanted this book has already bought It By now.

 

[Brother Maynard]

I’ll predict his campaign will be lucky to hit 30 k, 40k tops. That’s being very generous of course. I think everyone who wanted this book has already bought It By now.

Looks like it just crossed 15k in 2 1/2 days. If he gets some good press on it, could do 45-60 I'd guess?

 

[Rupin]

Looks like it just crossed 15k in 2 1/2 days. If he gets some good press on it, could do 45-60 I'd guess?

that‘s a good possibility. I mean the first few days is supposed to 1/3 of what your campaign is supposed to make.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

with Nasser on everybody’s mind right now, this might be a good time for him to launch a campaign.

With no art? Nah.

I have 4 books on Amazon though, that dont require a campaign and people can read instantly.

 

[SargonF00t]

I couldn’t understand Mike’s choice of Caitlin Bennett. I didn’t even know who she was and I doubt the average person would know either.

Caitlin should be offering to sign the cover's of Mike's book with her own shit.

 

[jspit]

Frog just cranked up his own 1am livestream and immediately begins gaslighting Warcampaign history to cover for the earlier Oz stream fallout.

So take aways from the latest CG killstream .

-one thing that keeps coming up is @FROG alleging Miller embezzled money. His proof is war campaign dug up 'evidence'. It's kindof like the EWJ situation. He alleges something and never really establishes it. Says it over and over though and people just accept it.

-jmoney is the new sketch, except he may not be genuinely tismy.

-Doug Tennaple denies everything Frog has said about EWJ being the endgame of his CG time.

-He points out that he's made more money post CG on his campaigns, true but....

-@Frog invited Miller and Tennaple both onto his stream and even admitted that Mike just might be better off doing his political comics because its who he is.

-there are CG people that still love Mike, who don't want political comics, and he does not give a shit what they want.

-Mike has agreed to appear on Oz's stream solo. Oz seems to want to latch onto Mike being a hypocrite Christian. Which as lines of attacks go is probably down there with Tom King hiding behind his military CIA service. I know he reads Kiwi farms. Oz, you need something better than, "but Jesus..."

Some cleaning up.

Someone mentioned Lim's wrapping up his Wall-might rip-off loving parody. It is closed and is now his best post CG campaign.

Doug included a bundle tier that included copies of EWJ. This netted him 31,100 dollars. He charged only 40 dollars for a sketch page on Bill 1 on two he had tiers like the 'Tennaple Museum', where he sold art for five thousand a page. Just like Cyberfrog 2, BFB relied on gimmicks and Jim to move material.

Mike Miller has 15,000 dollars with 28 days left. While this leaves him funded, it looks like this book will probably be a 30,000 to 50,000 campaign. Which considering all the gimmicks and the pushing he's getting is pathetic. compare to Pandemic, which is safely at 36,000 with little promotion and gimmicks and well.

 

[Rupin]

With no art? Nah.

I have 4 books on Amazon though, that dont require a campaign and people can read instantly.

yeah, but your main audience doesn’t read novels, they read comics. That’s what will Sell for you.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

yeah, but your main audience doesn’t read novels, they read comics. That’s what will Sell for you.

My audience also doesn't care to spend more than $3,000 on my work, which is why my latest comic failed. $3,000 wouldn't cover the remaining 45 pages left to draw.

I've been trying to find an audience for books, but that's so hard to do when I don't really like doing YouTube. I've done a few book videos but they haven't done well--not that I expected them to. But I just don't know where to find book readers. YouTube is the best way to promote but I have no passion for it. I only ever did YouTube to promote. I think the people who do YouTube for fun are the people who do it best and find the most success, but I have no fun in doing videos or streams, it's only the promotional tool for me, and it's a drag, but so many people find their audience through it.

I don't mean to spend this reply complaining, but I've been wondering for a while how to find an audience outside of YouTube. Either way it's difficult.

 

[Nippy]

My audience also doesn't care to spend more than $3,000 on my work, which is why my latest comic failed. $3,000 wouldn't cover the remaining 45 pages left to draw.

I've been trying to find an audience for books, but that's so hard to do when I don't really like doing YouTube. I've done a few book videos but they haven't done well--not that I expected them to. But I just don't know where to find book readers. YouTube is the best way to promote but I have no passion for it. I only ever did YouTube to promote. I think the people who do YouTube for fun are the people who do it best and find the most success, but I have no fun in doing videos or streams, it's only the promotional tool for me, and it's a drag, but so many people find their audience through it.

I don't mean to spend this reply complaining, but I've been wondering for a while how to find an audience outside of YouTube. Either way it's difficult.

You need to be submitting to lit mags. You're an oppressed POC minority and your name will jump out at slushpile readers. Like it or not, self-publishing is the ghetto.

 

[SuiSui1]

'Tennaple Museum', where he sold art for five thousand a page.

Hm? That seems a little pricey...I wonder what the gofund me says?

Ok so 1k per page for a total of 5k. Seems to be art from the oringal EWJ game and Cat scratch show.

I think Mike has another project going and was using this Magapide 7 as a quick buck inbetween but with him, who knows?

Man I feel bad for Frog's purse pets, 1 in the morning get a text/phone call "I'm doing a show. Get on." and getting on to listen the dear leader speak and nod.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

You need to be submitting to lit mags. You're an oppressed POC minority and your name will jump out at slushpile readers. Like it or not, self-publishing is the ghetto.

I don't want other people to publish me.

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

ok, so let’s say you are in Mike’s position. You are recovering from an embarrassingly failed campaign and you have been horrendously late in fullfilling every campaign you’ve launched. You have been pretty much blacklisted in the CG communiy and Now you are trying to build good will with the audience that actually stuck with you through all of this along trying with trying to tap into a new audience to get more eyes on your books.

Regardless of how or why he left / was forced out of comicsgate, he most certainly is now locked out of the bubble. He should know which members of the christian conservative audience followed him and Bless this Mess proved that audience combined with "Anti CG" is either far far smaller and/or won't throw money at just any old shit. At least MAGAnificent 7 looks better than that.

He's looked at how much money he has not made without access to Ethans platform and learned all the wrong lessons from that. His genius plan to try and tap into the audiences of Crowder and Shapiro and that will fail. The combined audiences of all those guys massively dwarfs that of EVS but what percentage of them are gonna be comic book fans? Indie comic fans... who play the whole KS/IGG game? Not many I bet. The pool may be larger but the swamp is far more concentrated.

“This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign

The SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK is exactly the way you'd pitch to those guys' audiences. I think people who follow those guys are more more likely to support Anti-SJWism than Superhero Trump propaganda starring their favourite conservative pundits.

I'd have done targeted variant covers for each one too. To sell to each specific audience. And have one all 7 heroes covers which form a big picture bundle.

The campaign is shit. It even still uses the original titles that IndieGoGo suggest in the default template. The story should be front and centre. There should be a little profile section on each of the hosts explaining who / what they are. The sad thing about this PARODY is that what we can see from the campaign the book doesn't look at all funny. Like not one iota. That's a very liberal use of the word. The campaign should be littered with phrases like "will they succeed or will the President be cancelled. forever" "only YOU can save the president by backing the book"

Mike's a good drawerer, but hes not salesman. He'd probably sell better if he didn't have any social media presence.

I kind of disagree with your opinion on Mike releasing Maga 7 because right now, anti left sentiment is at an all time high and there is simply no way Biden is not going to come out looking like a fool when the presidential debates roll around. The man can barely form a coherent sentence without being coached. Even the libtards can’t stand their own candidate.

I'd have launched the campaign 60 days before election night.

I'd have made the audience feel like the inevitable Trump victory would only happen with the success of the campaign. That backing the book would some how help Trump over the line. Do an Epic Election Night Campaign Closing Special for the Superchats.

I don't think it's been mentioned but the villain of this title, "the Sorosian" is a David Icke-derived parody of a naked reptilian George Soros with a vacuum tube on his genitals with a bunch of caged children underneath. Icke's brand of "all rich jews are actually reptiloid infiltrators from Nibiru" conspiracy theory is banned from several countries on the grounds of antisemitism and Smiller is packing his comic book with this shit with all it implies (whether he took the time to think twice about it or not) in an ostensibly fun comic for all ages that he is depending on mainstream pundits to endorse.

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Thats the bait. The fool who tries to cancel him will light the fire under his campaign. The sad part is though that he's so insignificant that nobody cares enough about him to bother.

With comic pros like Tom King and Scott Snyder making shitty attempts to dunk on Dean Cain, Mike could make a tidy profit off of MAGAnificent 7 if he plays his cards right. He probably won’t, but he COULD.



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The timing of this was incredible. Mikes failure to exploit this even more so.

Had he still been in CG he could / would have been able to get the drama train going. The topical YTers are desperate for shit to talk about everyday. Their models depend on the outrage. And being able to bring Mike in as a guest to talk about the whole Dean Cain issue would have been seen as a big deal.

But he burned all those bridges. And didnt go on smaller channels anyway.

I’ll predict his campaign will be lucky to hit 30 k, 40k tops. That’s being very generous of course. I think everyone who wanted this book has already bought It By now.

The highest grossing political book on IGG is Tim Lims Space Force on $72k. I'll be stunned if he passes that. Not even Tim Lim himself has managed to recreate that figure outside of CG. Based on his early backers : cash ratio I'd wager that some of the higher tier backers are the characters themselves because having a comic book made about you is a bit of a novelty.


P.S I dunno if this has been addressed already - theres Eight of them, right?