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Oh, don’t get me wrong, 131K is absolutely nothing to sneeze at... now if you could only get even a fifth of that to actually watch your streams.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that not having a digital copy was worth it? Is it just a sort of rarity/scarcity play, or is there another reason as to why you don’t have them?

I'd argue that books which have a limited run should be available digitally. Each PDF sold is basically printed money without increasing the supply of physical books.

If prints of a book will be available forever then don't bother with pdfs.
 
Looked at Zack's numbers: https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCrlzSqLSGj8GIOeT5jrQsJA

Interesting that Zack is still getting more daily views than Frog despite his content being so lame.

It isn't interesting. Recorded videos, especially three a day, will get you more views.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, 131K is absolutely nothing to sneeze at... now if you could only get even a fifth of that to actually watch your streams.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that not having a digital copy was worth it? Is it just a sort of rarity/scarcity play, or is there another reason as to why you don’t have them?

Almost nobody gets a fifth of their subcount to watch their streams. My livestreams get between 1000-2400 viewers live. Consistently on average 1600 viewers. Then they go on to gather an additional 12,000-30,000 subsequent views.

All of this is enough for me to earn a six figure salary on YouTube and get my comics funded to 7 figures while nobody else but Keanu Reeves can, and to fund other CG projects to 6 figures. Feel free to try it your way.

Digital copies invite piracy and shouldn't be offered with the initial roll out of a comic book. It will suppress your "box office" numbers. We do this for money, and there's no money in digital.
 
It isn't interesting. Recorded videos, especially three a day, will get you more views.



Almost nobody gets a fifth of their subcount to watch their streams. My livestreams get between 1000-2400 viewers live. Consistently on average 1600 viewers. Then they go on to gather an additional 12,000-30,000 subsequent views.

All of this is enough for me to earn a six figure salary on YouTube and get my comics funded to 7 figures while nobody else but Keanu Reeves can, and to fund other CG projects to 6 figures. Feel free to try it your way.

Digital copies invite piracy and shouldn't be offered with the initial roll out of a comic book. It will suppress your "box office" numbers. We do this for money, and there's no money in digital.

In other words, you don’t really have a 131K-strong YT audience, it’s much smaller when counting the people who actually watch your streams. My “fifth” comment was counting VOD views, and I only saw 2-3 streams in the last six months that managed to reach 25K views or higher.

...So, here’s a question: You specifically just used the term “initial rollout”, yet it’s been years since, say, Jawbreakers: Lost Souls and Cyberfrog: Blood Honey. How would someone that just wants to read the stories involved be able to do so right now?
 
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The subtle peer pressure of Kiwi Farms!

Are we bullying you? Please.


Anyone tied to Frog wins. Anyone who falls out of my orbit obsesses and cries about Frog for years while they fail at funding and life in general.

Oof. you got me.

except Doug Tennaple. and Brian Pulido. And Scott Snyder (Hit six figures without you).

Zack doesn't handle that brand of mentally ill stalker well. That's why he doesn't stream. He's attracted quite a few and he's had enough of it. He streams with me on my channel because he can leave at any time and the stalkers are almost entirely aimed at me, and not him.

When he doesn't stream with me, he doesn't do very well. When he does stream with me, he does great.

That's specious. He hasn't live-streamed in a while and you don't define what 'do very well' means.

Put you do reveal the crux. Richard doesn't want to do the work dealing with the CG crowd, ie those ''mentally ill stalkers.'

He'd rather sit back and avoid that.

Speaking of specious

Digital copies invite piracy and shouldn't be offered with the initial roll out of a comic book. It will suppress your "box office" numbers. We do this for money, and there's no money in digital.

Numbers? Quantifiable data? You know, I've had to hear comic book pros lectures about digital and piracy for years. It's tiresome. You do know people pirate everything, right? TV, movies, music. Yet, no one is as butthurt about digital distribution as you people. End of the day, if your work isn't overpriced for its quality, people buy it.

Back to the Richard live-streaming topic. The problem relying on you for anything long term is...

He tells me he doesn't want me to feel like I'm obligated to help him. Zack isn't a taker like some of these other folks.

But I'm happy to do it because it benefits me as much as it does Zack. I get great content and superchats, he gets funding.

His new book will hit 6 figures if I continue to push it and he does livestreams with me.

He's dependent on your good will. We've all seen what a fickle person you are. Him getting on your bad side is highly possible.

He threw away his audience to be a Frog simp. That hurts him to begin with because he isn't like you. But add to that he is more or less tied to you and subject to your whimsy...
 
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Are we bullying you? Please.

No, I was saying that you're bullying Zack. Or trying to. He doesn't read KF anymore.


Oof. you got me.

except Doug Tennaple. and Brian Pulido. And Scott Snyder (Hit six figures without you).

EARTHWORM JIM 2...yeah, forgot about that. Just like Doug's backers did. He went from edging up on a million per campaign to
coming close to almost beating Cecil.

I'm not sure what Pulido or Snyder have to do with anything.


That's specious. He hasn't live-streamed in a while and you don't define what 'do very well' means.

Put you do reveal the crux. Richard doesn't want to do the work dealing with the CG crowd, ie those ''mentally ill stalkers.'

He'd rather sit back and avoid that.

Speaking of specious

I define "do very well" for Zack as 6 figures every time, for everything.

The stalkers were people like Susan Auger, "Melissa Morgue" and that German dude who sent him love letters and decided to commit suicide over him. It was all too heavy for Zack and he
needed to get away from it.


Numbers? Quantifiable data? You know, I've had to hear comic book pros lectures about digital and piracy for years. It's tiresome. You do know people pirate everything, right? TV, movies, music. Yet, no one is as butthurt about digital distribution as you people. End of the day, if your work isn't overpriced for its quality, people buy it.

Back to the Richard live-streaming topic. The problem relying on you for anything long term is...

People do buy my work for the price I ask. I'm not lowering the price just because "everyone steals, get over it."

He's dependent on your good will. We've all seen what a fickle person you are. Him getting on your bad side is highly possible.

He threw away his audience to be a Frog simp. That hurts him to begin with because he isn't like you. But add to that he is more or less tied to you and subject to your whimsy...

I'm extremely loyal, the best possible friend to have. My help means getting money. But this is a business, and people who ask for my help should keep that in mind. If you become a deliberate and constant detriment to my business, like Smiller was, I consider that to be disloyalty, and you're out.

Seems like you're kinda fickle though. Just tossed Zack under the bus and called him a "Frog simp" because you're angry that you're unable to bully and manipulate him.

Are you a fan of his or no?
 
So Camilla Zhang, the former comics commissar at Kickstarter, has engaged @FROG and other pro-CGers on Twitter. This stems from a creator called Brian Hitch tweeting yesterday about getting into crowdfunding, which started a shitstorm as both pro-CGers and anti-CGers tried to woo him to their respective sides. Zack did a video about that here, but here's the one about the discussion today:


tl;dw: she claims she herself didn't kibosh Zack's book (Zack now thinks it was her superior/predecessor); she defends cancel culture with the "it's about holding people accountable" arguments; she asks Frog if he and other CGers would cancel a creator who collaborated with her and Frog gives a response along the lines of "that's what you do; we're all just trying to make money here;" she seems to be trying to arrange a private Skype convo with Frog. It's all very snake-like and I don't get what she's trying to gain by this engagement.
 
No, I was saying that you're bullying Zack. Or trying to. He doesn't read KF anymore.

His loss. When you ignore a place where people are honest and assume anyone not drinking the koolaid is against. There are people on here who have stated they back his books.


EARTHWORM JIM 2...yeah, forgot about that. Just like Doug's backers did. He went from edging up on a million per campaign to
coming close to almost beating Cecil.

I'm not sure what Pulido or Snyder have to do with anything.

All people doing quite well without you.

I define "do very well" for Zack as 6 figures every time, for everything.

Livestreaming? If he did regular livestreams and worked at it you said he did poorly. I was trying to define a base number for poor live-streaming.

The stalkers were people like Susan Auger, "Melissa Morgue" and that German dude who sent him love letters and decided to commit suicide over him. It was all too heavy for Zack and he
needed to get away from it.

Morgue and Auger are old news. The people you get on CG livestreams aren't that.

People do buy my work for the price I ask. I'm not lowering the price just because "everyone steals, get over it."

That's not an answer to what I said. But you know what. Yeah, it happens. Still don't see you establishing the causality of digital and theft.

I'm extremely loyal, the best possible friend to have. My help means getting money. But this is a business, and people who ask for my help should keep that in mind. If you become a deliberate and constant detriment to my business, like Smiller was, I consider that to be disloyalty, and you're out.

Seems like you're kinda fickle though. Just tossed Zack under the bus and called him a "Frog simp" because you're angry that you're unable to bully and manipulate him.

Are you a fan of his or no?


I'm a disinterested third party that listens to him or anyone else I fancy. Fan is a stretch. The most I will say as I view him as less of a caricature. Why I call him Richard for example instead of Zach. Note I call you Frog or Doug Wormie.

So Camilla Zhang, the former comics commissar at Kickstarter, has engaged @FROG and other pro-CGers on Twitter. This stems from a creator called Brian Hitch tweeting yesterday about getting into crowdfunding, which started a shitstorm as both pro-CGers and anti-CGers tried to woo him to their respective sides. Zack did a video about that here, but here's the one about the discussion today:


tl;dw: she claims she herself didn't kibosh Zack's book (Zack now thinks it was her superior/predecessor); she defends cancel culture with the "it's about holding people accountable" arguments; she asks Frog if he and other CGers would cancel a creator who collaborated with her and Frog gives a response along the lines of "that's what you do; we're all just trying to make money here;" she seems to be trying to arrange a private Skype convo with Frog. It's all very snake-like and I don't get what she's trying to gain by this engagement.

She's likely trying to preserve her meal ticket. People forget, human beings gravitate to the less extreme party in autistic inter web fights.
 
Money doesn't seem to be that important to Zack. When he talked about it he said that he goes after backer numbers (yeah I know it directly translates into money) and he considers 2000 backers as a bare minimum of success.

As for live streaming from what I've seen most established channels pull between 1-5% subscribers as live viewers 10-20% when there's some big happening, not counting podcast or talkshow-ish channel (eg.: Tim Pool/Joe Rogan). So it's par for the course. Channel growth should be a bigger concern since it's the main platform for promotions.
 
she seems to be trying to arrange a private Skype convo with Frog. It's all very snake-like and I don't get what she's trying to gain by this engagement.

Some of the wokies seem to be hedging their bets. If Trump is reelected and really does start withholding funds from universities and institutions teaching critical race theory, there's a good chance everything else starts coming down after. The rats are jumping ship.
 
Everyone is talking about advertisement and livestreaming, but has anyone considered that TexasAutism simply sucks? All he had was a good first impression and being the loudest voice at one point. All his jokes all his ideas were invented in the comment section and on his live-reads. His writing is objectively crap and often contradicts his early videos.
He hated old memes, jokes and overusage of olld imagery. Yet put his own fastball special, YaBoi and a Nerkish reference even though he quit
Hated when two lesbians or any two characters instantly fall for each other. Makes the only two named black characters instantly fall for each other.
Hated Bendis subversion that brakes the momen. Yet made his voodoo priest pull out the phone for a quick laugh
And that's besides awful dialogue, choppy paceing and a Super Nintendo era videogame plot. All that in his biggest book. Is it really any wonder his popularity and numbers slows down?


No, I was saying that you're bullying Zack. Or trying to. He doesn't read KF anymore.
Going in a complete blackout once there's any resistance does sound like TexasAutism.
 
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Money doesn't seem to be that important to Zack. When he talked about it he said that he goes after backer numbers (yeah I know it directly translates into money) and he considers 2000 backers as a bare minimum of success.

Would be funny then if Impossible Stars ends with less than 2000 backers.

All he had was a good first impression and being the loudest voice at one point.

He definetely had "early mover" advantage and managed to rally the crowd with his lolsuit.
 
I'm extremely loyal, the best possible friend to have. My help means getting money. But this is a business, and people who ask for my help should keep that in mind. If you become a deliberate and constant detriment to my business, like Smiller was, I consider that to be disloyalty, and you're out.

Good loyal friends don't burn someone when they become an inconvenience. It's all just words and spin with you Ethan, you say you're extremely loyal but evidence shows differently
 
Good loyal friends don't burn someone when they become an inconvenience. It's all just words and spin with you Ethan, you say you're extremely loyal but evidence shows differently

None of those people were my friends. They were people wanting me to help them sell their comics.

I don't burn people when they become an inconvenience. I stand by people even when it might do me harm. But those people have to mean well.

Zack is a friend. Cecil has become a friend. Jon Malin is becoming a friend.

It takes time.

So Camilla Zhang, the former comics commissar at Kickstarter, has engaged @FROG and other pro-CGers on Twitter. This stems from a creator called Brian Hitch tweeting yesterday about getting into crowdfunding, which started a shitstorm as both pro-CGers and anti-CGers tried to woo him to their respective sides. Zack did a video about that here, but here's the one about the discussion today:


tl;dw: she claims she herself didn't kibosh Zack's book (Zack now thinks it was her superior/predecessor); she defends cancel culture with the "it's about holding people accountable" arguments; she asks Frog if he and other CGers would cancel a creator who collaborated with her and Frog gives a response along the lines of "that's what you do; we're all just trying to make money here;" she seems to be trying to arrange a private Skype convo with Frog. It's all very snake-like and I don't get what she's trying to gain by this engagement.

Camilla, having been fired from Kickstarter, is now trying to start a job for herself where she does what I do, but for money.

So she's going to try to market herself to major pros who are wallflowers, and sell their crowdfunding campaigns for them for a percentage of their earnings. That's what I got out of her yesterday in our private conversation.

She wants peace with ComicsGate, because she's afraid we'll spoil her grift.

It's interesting that she isn't volunteering to help the plethora of oddball lesbian, non-binary creators she allowed to flourish on Kickstarter with their worthless comics. Now she only wants to promote comics with a commercial market. Hot chicks, guns, explosions, superheroes and monsters, big name creators.

When you aren't being propped up by a host organism like Kickstarter for a regular paycheck, and you actually have to hustle on your own and pay your bills, suddenly these woke problems sort themselves out.
 
Zack is a friend. Cecil has become a friend. Jon Malin is becoming a friend.

None of those people were my friends. They were people wanting me to help them sell their comics.

I don't burn people when they become an inconvenience. I stand by people even when it might do me harm. But those people have to mean well.

Zack is a friend. Cecil has become a friend. Jon Malin is becoming a friend.

It takes time.


Zack is a friend..... for now. Cecil has become a friend... for now. John Malin is becoming a friend... for now.

I guarantee one of those three will be added to your long list of enemies by this time next year. You're 'loyal' to friends if that person is doing exactly what you want them to do, soon as they step out of line they go on the list and become a target. I've got 3 to 1 on Cecil getting the chop first
 
Camilla, having been fired from Kickstarter, is now trying to start a job for herself where she does what I do, but for money.

So she's going to try to market herself to major pros who are wallflowers, and sell their crowdfunding campaigns for them for a percentage of their earnings. That's what I got out of her yesterday in our private conversation.

She wants peace with ComicsGate, because she's afraid we'll spoil her grift.

It's interesting that she isn't volunteering to help the plethora of oddball lesbian, non-binary creators she allowed to flourish on Kickstarter with their worthless comics. Now she only wants to promote comics with a commercial market. Hot chicks, guns, explosions, superheroes and monsters, big name creators.

When you aren't being propped up by a host organism like Kickstarter for a regular paycheck, and you actually have to hustle on your own and pay your bills, suddenly these woke problems sort themselves out.
There is a good chance she was hired to prop up the oddball lesbian, non-binary creators on Kickstarter by someone up high.
Someone who, the year being 2018, believed there was a ton of money in diversity.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the All New All Different Marvel was just someone from Disney demanding new diverse characters to be used in cartoon shows and a bunch of bored creators did some zero-effort books to establish those characters for the royalties to come.
 
I'm a customer, Frog. Way to make sure I never buy your books again.

Man, Kiwi Farms customer service sucks.

Assorted things that happened lately.

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It was a sad day for Liam and Conquest Comics as Xenotype artist Ody was conscripted for compulsory military service in Greece, preventing him from working on further work for their co-owned franchise. Personally, I knew this show was going to be a banger when I saw Liam's shaved head, which he says was necessary for an EEG brainscan. Fellow Liam-watcher and Joker Spirit shaman "Big Daddy", in his own Xenotype: Pursuit review, made the incisive speculation that Liam and Ody's target was to make enough money from this first-time effort to get Ody an exemption from military service, but fell short of this long shot of a goal. With that in mind, Liam made a now-privated stream throwing out a pitch to the chat of crowdfunding future Xenotype content in monthly installments. This isn't a new idea, as Frog himself two weeks ago threw out the idea of a monthly subscription for Cyberfrog content (as well as licensing/contracting the comic franchise out to other creators) but was talked down down by Peter Simeti and Sketch Therapy.

Liam's chat had their own objections, namely paying shipping 12 separate times a year for a creative team capable of pushing out full graphic novels for no apparent reason, or how the market for monthly periodicals has been in freefall for 8 years while GNs have grown in sales by at least 40% according to Comichron. As Liam's dejection yet insistence on this idea was pressed, Jon Malin joined the panel to give some no-nonsense talk on this subject and how it appeared from Malin's standpoint that this was a rash and impetuous major business decision that was made on little if any research. Liam, flustered, alluded to a conflict between Ody's regular dad and orange internet dad on the regularity of money received from Xenotype, beyblades aside, and that all this apparently was a response to that. Malin's response was one of incredulity, yelling that Ody is a grown man, Liam isn't his dad, that the young Greek is responsible for making his own business decisions and that, if there's pressure for Ody to be pulling a regular income, why is Ody actively refusing work-for-hire commissions? Malin's apoplexy intensifies as he recalls having to work construction on bridges and high-rises for ten years when he needed "regular income" until drawing comics paid the bills.

Not really having an argument against this, Liam began to spiral in the Cates-ian sense into something about how action is needed because it's important that the next generation be able to carry the torch of the comics creative medium into the future and thus save comics instead of this preoccupation with Youtubing. Micah Curtis, somehow the voice of reason in this, asks that since Liam is effectively Ody's manager, why not just screen through some work-for-hire contracts and commissions? With this business issue settled, a cathartic wave washes over the panel as Jon asks why the fuck has the show consisted of livecasting Micah playing some gundam RPG the whole time.



Comicsgate auteur Mandy Summers, author of Wart the Wizard and Hardcore Pornosaur, has corralled a second art-simp into her reverse harem as she has announced her third crowdfund project, Pirate Queen on IndieGoGo. Basing her pricing model off of Frog's, but unsure how to justify the price points, has went ahead with lewd content starting at $125 USD, the $200 tier offering two sketches (one adult) by the artist. Amusingly, Mandy may actually finish her third campaign before Martina Markota finishes her first with Lady Alchemy.

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Fortune has been less kind to fellow Comicsgate e-girl Piper/Fyzzgiggidy (pictured), who has been removed from the "Graded Point Five" creative team and youtube channel for unspecified reasons. Piper's response to this was to turn towards what she describes as "that dark corner of Comicsgate", the wrong side of the CG tracks with burnt out cars, gangs of Etsy Boys roaming the alleyways looking for loose streamyard links accompanied with the voices of Sketch and Liam howling in the distance. Getting extremely drunk, Piper employed the "classic Liam" approach to youtubing by inviting Sketch, Liam, Oz Arts and Testefy_HD onto her channel with the stated goal of "resolving differences".
Piper's inaugural shitshow stream went on for a full 11 hours (now privated) as she entered what could only be described as her 'self-destructive Comicsgate Emo' phase. Ironically, it wasn't entirely unsuccessful as Sketch and Testefy put their long, shared Panamanian history aside for a temporary NAP so that they could focus their attentions of the hated LiamOz, but also had Liam screaming in incadescent rage Piper into literal tears at the indignity of being tricked into sharing a platform with Testefy and Sketch, as the level of e-mnity between the two was irreconcilable at this point.

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Tragically, this NAP did not extend to Piper herself as Sketch Therapy began to turn his fire upon her circle for appearing on a Testefy stream (to clarify that Liam never made her cry) and platforming anti-CG traitors like him as well as LiamOz, resulting in Piper taking down her twitter, deleting her discord and Dark Gift Comics "distancing himself from Comicsgate" as a collateral simp casualty. Such are the risks one runs when venturing into the dark side of Comicsgate without proper preparation.



Things were eventful on the Oz Show for once, a triple-set as first disgraced "anti-CG" eminence Zombienomicon made an appearance to notify Oz Arts that he was to cease and desist besmirching his good name and that his attempts in letting one lucky contestant realize their spacetravel dreams was legitimate but undone by the jealous, petty machinations of a single person he placed perhaps too much trust in. A story that would repeat itself again when his pure vision of a Comicsgate Wiki was dashed by the plotting of others. Zombienomicon appeared to be especially offended by the mere existence of Ryzie Lee; it turns out both parties mutually consider the other to be a disgrace to Australians. Zombienomicon was vicious in his recounting of Ryzie's many failings as a human being and contributing member of society as the Oz Show regulars formed a noise-wall defense of their drunken jester while others poked and prodded the anti-CG presence from the stream.

This was then followed by the actual topic of the episode before dashed, the conflict between Micah Curtis and Raz0rfist over the latter's signing of a publication contract with Vox Day, followed by Frog's intervention by siding with Raz0rfist and telling Micah to shut the fuck up. Frog's motives for this are up in the air, given Comicsgate's extremely inconsistent stance regarding Vox Day in the past, having embraced Alt-Hero writer Chuck Dixon while simultaneously casting out Jon Del Arroz as a white supremacist nazi for endorsing Vox Day's views. My own conjecture is a combination of being sick of lesser figures in CG burning bridges with people who have actual platforms combined with a general fatigue of putting up with Micah's shit. It also suggests that Comicsgate's problem with JDA may not actually stem from his stance on Vox Day as opposed to being based on tribalism after JDA's angry sperging at the movement as a whole.

The Oz Show panel proceeds to slag off Micah as a cancel culture idiot borderline SJW, which was interrupted by the surprise appearance of Micah Curtis. Ryzie in a choice extremely unusual for him retires early, no doubt exhausted after the emotional onslaught of being called a foolish pillowfucker by a 50 year old conman. Curtis takes a very dismissive attitude towards Frog's complaints, calling him a "diva" and irrationally emotional. This dislike, of course, is not entirely unearned by Frog, what with his stated perception that the purpose of men like Micah is to soak bullets on the battlefield meant for worthier men, and a general regard for Curtis on the line of this:


















Finally the stream includes footage from the privated Liam stream summarized at the beginning of this post, helpfully provided by Testefy associate BlackMercury. Oz was careful not to show too much, as he was unsure Liam would channel strike even him if he posted too much of Liam's content (true).
 
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