#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[A nameless trool]

Spoiler: WTF ???

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Why does the table keep getting further away and change position in each progressive panel when the camera hasn't moved? And why does the wall with the empty 80's Ikea shelf keep moving? I mean aside from camera tilt and slight swivel the view remains stationary through the first four panels.

Using a copy of the first four panels would have been less of a fuck up.

You do notice that the camera changes in every panel, right? Not sure if the perspective is correct, but notice how the door changes in each panel.

And I kind of like the changes in perspective, gives a more sinister tone to the shots. Comic art is supposed to look cool, not correct.

 

[Newman's Own]

Nasser is a bigger cow than EVS and probably has the potential of a true cow.

Nasser is a bigger cow because he's dumber than rocks..

But Ethan has a deeper library of gayops and idiocy back to 2010 on FaceBook, pizza parlor hi-jinks, and three years spent unironically as the Caesar and "Human Sunbeam" to a thoroughly gay on many levels gayops cancel culture network who proudly proclaimed themselves "WarCampaign" among other Lolcow behaviors.

I'll admit that he's been on his best behavior the last few months (and he's been boring) but it's really just a matter of time before his ego creates more content for this forum.

There's a reason his personality draws all those other cows like moths to a flame.

You do notice that the camera changes in every panel, right? Not sure if the perspective is correct,

Yeah. there's a slight camera tilt and swivel as I explained.

That doesn't move walls and tables and make the room deeper by 20 feet. It only tilts the frame without changing the position.

For the perspective to change the camera has to actually move in the space. Tilt and swivel change VERY little.

This is a basic perspective fuck up any first year art student knows not to make. Most comics pros since the seventies or further back have been learning enough about perspective not to make these embarrassing amateur mistakes.

Edit: Also the height of the camera keeps shifting from below the table top to above it without changing in relation to the window it's peeking through.

The longer I look at this page the worse it gets.

I mean, no wonder he gets his colorist to do his backgrounds so much. I think Ritter has a better grasp on perspective.

 

[Eddy G.]

• Fucking Liam Gray

Can I get a QRD on Liam? Last I saw him do was chug a bottle of booze in a store.

 

[A nameless trool]

Nasser is a bigger cow because he's dumber than rocks..

But Ethan has a deeper library of gayops and idiocy back to 2010 on FaceBook, pizza parlor hi-jinks, and three years spent unironically as the Caesar and "Human Sunbeam" to a thoroughly gay on many levels gayops cancel culture network who proudly proclaimed themselves "WarCampaign" among other Lolcow behaviors.

I'll admit that he's been on his best behavior the last few months (and he's been boring) but it's really just a matter of time before his ego creates more content for this forum.

There's a reason his personality draws all those other cows like moths to a flame.


Yeah. there's a slight camera tilt and swivel as I explained.

That doesn't move walls and tables and make the room deeper by 20 feet. It only tilts the frame without changing the position.

For the perspective to change the camera has to actually move in the space. Tilt and swivel change VERY little.

This is a basic perspective fuck up any first year art student knows not to make. Most comics pros since the seventies or further back have been learning enough about perspective not to make these embarassing amateur mistakes.

Not an art student, but I see that the perspective of the door also changes radically and this make me feel that I see things through the eyes of a demended individual, ergo better storytelling. I am a cheap date, just not the behind-the-pizza-parlor one.

Nasser is 90% cow. He has zero common sense and social skills and whines about a cuck stealing his money.
But he has a good work ethic.

On the other hand, you are going MATI over the perspective of a page to the point that you do make a factional statement

Why does the table keep getting further away and change position in each progressive panel when the camera hasn't moved?

that is plain wrong, then get butthurt and argue with a rando on the internet about it.

Yes, we are all here to poke fun at @FROG and his ceasarean gayness and his herd of faggot followers and haters, but you my friend are getting to near-cow levels.

 

[The Holmes]

Can I get a QRD on Liam? Last I saw him do was chug a bottle of booze in a store.

I don't think he's done anything noteworthy since he hilariously got MeToo'd by some chick that used to work for him when she posted DMs of him trying to do the E-RP shit at her, where the 'have money good at sex' tagline is now immortalized, and then all of a sudden he's had a wife and a newborn that came out of nowhere. We make sure to catalogue Liam's best lulz on his thread. Give that a click and hit up the last few pages for a good time if you want further details.

 

[Unverified]

Can I get a QRD on Liam? Last I saw him do was chug a bottle of booze in a store.

There's so much at this point that you're better checking out his dedicated thread. It's certainly worth a read-through.
Apparently he also chimped out the other day on an 8 hour long Piper stream but I've only caught parts of it.

 

[Newman's Own]

On the other hand, you are going MATI over the perspective of a page to the point that you do make a factional statement

I'm responding to you making excuses for clearly shit art. I pointed out some obvious flaws and defended my criticism. Just accept that this is poorly faked perspective and move on.

If someone wants to post substandard background work as a shining example of their background work here they're gonna get push back from people who can see the difference. I think it's funny that this was the best he could come up with.

If that makes me MATI so be it.

 

[SargonF00t]

Pizza Parlour hoedowns, Ribbitcoin, sperging publicly over not being thanked at a comic panel literally no one else cares about, trolling for validation on this thread, Reeeeing about TLJ for a solid year, internet slap fights with literal nobodies like Renfamous giving them clout with actually powerful industry assholes like Joe Q, he called himself Caesar and accepted leadership of a homoerotic pack centurion LARPing WarCampaign internet retards for three years, crying that his wife got upset because some other YouTuber made a mildly critical video about an argument he had with another YouTuber. And associations with TUG, Liam, Micah, Mitch, Mike, Adam Friended, Wenger, Rekita, Quartering, Mandy Summers (and her work), Fandom Menace losers and so on.

What's wrong with being associated with Rekieta?

 

[jspit2.0]

The only thing that prevents him from being a desperate grifter lolcow, is that he does have legendary skills as an artist. But the more gentlemen such as yourself insist that I look the other way and rush to gloss over the truth, the more I think it warrants examination. I'm not suddenly going to stop just because you just need a power-leveling jackass to save the day. He makes money, he makes nice drawings, so lets give him a lifetime pass for shit behavior. No thanks.

If you really like his work, like it for what it is. But when it comes to the man himself it is possible to call him out and hold him to it and still like his artistic contributions. I'm not a fan of Cyberfrog, but I loved his Flash and Green Lantern stuff. I hate Bob Kane and his dishonesty, but I like that he co-created Batman and appreciate what he contributed to the character that stood the test of time. So far, you're doubling down on the simping. It's not as if the minute you attempt to criticize him on the forums he's going to be canceled. The good work that he does will stand, but the other stuff won't that's all. The more people like you tell me to ignore it, the more interesting it becomes for me.

Sorry to rain on your parade junior, but let's keep some perspective on things. If you weren't so emotionally invested, you might stop posting like a moody teenager.

It's one thing to be a sheep, it's another thing to be shorn and out of season. Good luck!

Your fixation on Frogman is a bit much.

I love the idea that I needed to "break" with Mark Waid, but just needed the most convoluted and silly way to do it.

"I've got it. I'll have a parody account mildly rib him from the chat! Maybe TUG, who I don't even really know yet, will do it. Sure, Waid probably won't see it, but a psycho SJW might, and then he'll report it to Waid, who will then use it as a pretext to go apeshit and threaten to fuck my fans with a rusty chainsaw and never talk to me again. It's a risky maneuver, but I've just gotta end this casual professional acquaintanceship somehow. It's like an albatross."

Make room for the idea that you might be an exceptional individual.

Coming from the leader of concentrated internet faggotry and tism that is CG, you have no room to talk.

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Your a simp.

LOL, DC does not pay him because of his "Legendary" status (I can't believe multiple people are saying this.) they keep giving him checks because he was on the Geoff Johns Green Lantern train at its peak and was able to nab up artist credits for a tonne the Rainbow Lanterns. Aside from that Frog is a fairly milquetoast artist to be honest.

He did get lucky sometimes. He was also very unlucky at other times. (See Trail of the Gun, Firestorm, Day of the Composites)

Regardless, Ethan is a troll who can be petty. How you call this untalented though...

Liam Sharp, Best Green Lantern artist ever,

instantly discredit yourself.

blows everyone else out of the water.

Not on his best day you fucking casual.

I know this should go without saying but for a movement and thread called "comicsgate" you guys really know nothing about the medium or just have some baffling takes so much so that sometimes it actively gives me headaches when I read this thread.

Like fucking Liam Sharp? Have you even read Green Lantern comics before?

Not Dave Gibbons,

Not Neal Adams?

Not even Pat Gleason?

Liam Sharpe's run is okay, but no one who has actually picked up a Green Lantern book before 2005 would even put him in the top five, especially with designs like this...

 

[A nameless trool]

I'm responding to you making excuses for clearly shit art. I pointed out some obvious flaws and defended my criticism. Just accept that this is poorly faked perspective and move on.

If someone wants to post substandard background work as a shining example of their background work here they're gonna get push back from people who can see the difference. I think it's funny that this was the best he could come up with.

If that makes me MATI so be it.

Dude, I don't give a damn. My whole opinion of EVS artwork is that, unless he takes a week per page (woth colours by Kyle Ritter) it looks half-baked. But his cartoony, overrendered, anatomically incorrect style is fun in a 90's way and fun is more important in cape comics.
But he is Bolland-slow not Bolland-good.

I have read enough Greg Cappulo-drawing-like-Todd-McFarlane to know that EVS is not that great of an artist. He is a good McFarlane-influenced artist though and I can see why he had a career in superhero comics.
If he was doing "realistic" comics like, I would think of him as a poor fit, but him doing this crazy aliens and monsters kind of works.

 

[Newman's Own]

If he was doing "realistic" comics like, I would think of him as a poor fit, but him doing this crazy aliens and monsters kind of works.

I think Ethan is a middling talent within comics which is no mean feat. Comics are hard and he's pretty good at them. Rick Leonardi is a middling talent and I love his stuff.

But if he's going to present poorly faked perspective as an example of good background work I'm going to point out the flaws.

Just like if I presented my opinion of EVS as proof that he was of low character you'd rightly call me an "A-logger" for it.

What I like about this forum is that no one gets a free pass for bull shitting generally.

Like fucking Liam Sharp? Have you even read Green Lantern comics before?

I agree. Liam sharp is doing good work but I wouldn't call it the best.

For my money Mark Bright was the best GL artist but that was a different era and art was less about a pretty page and more about good dynamic story telling.

Everyone has different tastes.

Spoiler: Bright art.

 

[jspit2.0]

Dude, I don't give a damn. My whole opinion of EVS artwork is that, unless he takes a week per page (woth colours by Kyle Ritter) it looks half-baked. But his cartoony, overrendered, anatomically incorrect style is fun in a 90's way and fun is more important in cape comics.
But he is Bolland-slow not Bolland-good.

Yeah. Though I will say this, he had just figured out how to hit the monthly grind after twenty or so years at DC. Would have been interesting to see, without his own flaws and cancel culture, what he would have put out there in the last five years.

I think Ethan is a middling talent within comics which is no mean feat. Comics are hard and he's pretty good at them. Rick Leonardi is a middling talent and I love his stuff.

Agree to disagree. Then again their styles aren't the same so comparing the two is difficult.

I agree. Liam sharp is doing good work but I wouldn't call it the best.

For my money Mark Bright was the best GL artist but that was a different era and art was less about a pretty page and more about good dynamic story telling.

I'd have put him in the top ten. I think others did better blending technique and storytelling.

Everyone has different tastes.

Oh, that's some nice stuff. As for storytelling, I'd say the below is a good example of that. The artwork is detailed with lush visuals but tells a sequential story that even without words communicates to the reader.

Of course I believe Ethan had help from Dan Jurgens on this...

Still, it was an example.

Sadly we never saw George Perez or John Byrne have an extended Lantern run. I don't think Perez ever drew the main title and Byrne drew Ganthet's tale GN, which is on the Essential Lantern reading list.

GL's harder to pin down because its art is more spread out and distributed.

 

[BlueKnight]

Yeah. Though I will say this, he had just figured out how to hit the monthly grind after twenty or so years at DC. Would have been interesting to see, without his own flaws and cancel culture, what he would have put out there in the last five years.



Agree to disagree. Then again their styles aren't the same so comparing the two is difficult.


I'd have put him in the top ten. I think others did better blending technique and storytelling.


Oh, that's some nice stuff. As for storytelling, I'd say the below is a good example of that. The artwork is detailed with lush visuals but tells a sequential story that even without words communicates to the reader.

Of course I believe Ethan had help from Dan Jurgens on this...


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Still, it was an example.

Sadly we never saw George Perez or John Byrne have an extended Lantern run. I don't think Perez ever drew the main title and Byrne drew Ganthet's tale GN, which is on the Essential Lantern reading list.

GL's harder to pin down because its art is more spread out and distributed.

I'm reading through the Venditti GL run right now which features a lot of @FROG work. Here's the deal, EVS frequently has weird hinky poses and his anatomy is not always correct but his work has a style and soul to it. These are comics, they aren't photorealism, as long as the art does not take away from the story, it's successful. I love that I can instantly identify work by EVS. That's part of what makes comics fun. I like to think of it like the difference between rock and roll and classical music. Comics are rock and roll and EVS is a killer lead guitarist.

 

[sKr0n]

Regardless, Ethan is a troll who can be petty. How you call this untalented though...

I never once called him untalented, I took issue with multiple people calling him "legendary" and that's why DC pays him, not because he designed characters that ended up in video games etc.

Like fucking Liam Sharp? Have you even read Green Lantern comics before?

Never.

Liam Sharpe's run is okay, but no one who has actually picked up a Green Lantern book before 2005 would even put him in the top five, especially with designs like this...

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Man, he drew a cringe character that a writer made him for one whole issue? Whoah, I guess that means all the wild composition and unique ways to play with panels does not matter?

Or the fact he kept his style Fresh by changing it for Season two with art that looks like it came straight out of Heavy Metal when the issues demanded it.

Those would be the two biggest reasons I think he's definitely one of if not the best.

Not Neal Adams?

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Yes, Neal Adams made Hal look like a fucking dope through those 11 issues of GL/GA with his weird posturing and T-posing while flying, people only remember and like this series because of cringe like this, his Batman is infinitely better. I love Gibbons though, that guy is great.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

I guess being "the backbone of the Fandom Menace" these days just means that I humiliated Reylos most effectively. I barely talk about Star Wars anymore, and in the past 6 months, any videos I made were mostly enthusiastic, thanks to the Mandalorian being so good. But I did kick some Reylo ass two years ago, taking apart their creepy little subculture for the edification of disgusted boomers. I guess they're still sore.

Vikki has a thing about this IMDB/Jeremy conspiracy...I gotta say, all of my videos turned up on my IMDB page, and I didn't put any of them there. I think it's just automatic, and I doubt Jeremy Griggs knows about his credit on some of my videos, or gives a shit. Barking up the wrong tree, Vickers.

Zack's initial technique for selling comics was perfect.

-Offer a simple, flat product for $25.

-Use IndieGoGo, create excitement with videos and social media to generate funds that customers can watch accumulate, (which in itself adds to the excitement.)

-Add fun, but also lightweight and flat paper stretch goal bonuses

-Get an exact idea of how many books you should print, based on these preorders

-Fulfill by yourself, using Gemini mailers.

-Keep profits

-Do it again.

This WORKS. I don't know why so many CGers are retreating back towards mainstream strategies that have proven ineffective for indies. But I'll just be over here, looking.

You're falling victim to a sort of fallacy of success Frog, thinking that just because you've made a bunch of money doing things a particular way is the optimal way to do it.

Fact is that preselling at 25$ is not an optimal strategy and it's going to run out of steam they way it's being implemented. It won't hurt you too much but it's already damaging CG as a whole and will continue to do so.

First off the price tag is usually too expensive for product being offered, and it gets worse when you factor in shipping. I've already nixed a number of purchases because of the cost, it's really a lot to ask to buy a graphic novel that you're not sure is going to be any good. Second you CG guys are getting lazy because you've already got the money in hand so there's no rush to the deadline to get the book out and so customers are often left waiting a year or more to get what they ordered, which kills enthusiasm.

CGers are so slow to adapt it's comical. They're obsessed with maximizing profit which is severely curtailing the number of copies they sell and therefore their audience. Tim Lim is offering a 60 page hardbound for like 10 bucks. Keep costs down and turnaround quick and business will grow. And make sure you have back issues available for order on demand.

 

[verissimus]

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Oh so it's ok when people doxx others on Twitter or YouTube but not here?

 

[Rupin]

That's because I suspect they actually want to draw and make art instead of proselytizing to incels online which is how EVS makes his money. I could be wrong and all those people are down for Cyberfrogs profound stories drawn by a "legendary" artist and not just here for the culture war.

If they weren't in it for the money, then why even draw comics professionally? What you said made zero sense. You can slave away forever for the mainstream and let them do the marketing for you, Which they do a shitty job at. Or you can learn marketing which is a skill that is required and market your books independently and successfully.

Evs isn't the only one who builds a cult of personality around him to sell books, he just happens to be the best at it. He'd be stupid not to use what's been working for him this pastv4 years. He's built a loyal fan base and he has to cater to them. It doesn't matter the reason they buy his book, it just matters that they keep returning to buy his products repeatedly. That's the key to his success.

 

[BlueKnight]

Spoiler: WTF ???

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Why does the table keep getting further away and change position in each progressive panel when the camera hasn't moved? And why does the wall with the empty 80's Ikea shelf keep moving? I mean aside from camera tilt and slight swivel the view remains stationary through the first four panels.

Using a copy of the first four panels would have been less of a fuck up.

We are watching this from the perspective of a moving individual. I mean. Wow. It's not hard to understand.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

We are watching this from the perspective of a moving individual. I mean. Wow. It's not hard to understand.

My big problem is with the last panel. It makes zero sense. The perspective is from close to the door just like the others but suddenly everything is MUCH further away. Looks wrong to me. Don't really have a problem with the other 3 panels.

 

[sKr0n]

If they weren't in it for the money, then why even draw comics professionally? What you said made zero sense. You can slave away forever for the mainstream and let them do the marketing for you, Which they do a shitty job at. Or you can learn marketing which is a skill that is required and market your books independently and successfully.

Evs isn't the only one who builds a cult of personality around to sell books, he just happens to be the best at it. He'd be stupid not to use what's been working for him this pastv4 years. He's built a loyal fan base and he has to cater to them.

You asked why better artists don't do what he does, because they are most likely drawing more than one book per year, and they definitely don't want to sell their souls to become outrage peddlers incessantly bitching about Star Wars chasing after CPM or making hours of non-content reading super chats and grumbling with the most boring 40 year old men. If Quarter Pounder can do it and "people" like Sargon then anyone can, that kind of support is hollow at best.

It doesn't matter the reason they buy his book, it just matters that they keep returning to buy his products repeatedly. That's the key to his success.

I agree the key to his success has very little to nothing to do with the product and instead is on his cult of personality and EVS monetizing his cultural war grievance's very well.