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maybe not story wise but the character designs are too similar to ignore. I am going with YBZ‘s theory that Millar was doing this as a parody or a fuck you to Mags in showing her how to do the genre right.
I doubt Mags registers anywhere on Millar's radar.

Millar does analogs or homages to classic works and characters like John Carter, Flash Gordon, Bat-Man, Justice League and the like.

I haven't seen him scrape the bottom of the barrel for new ideas. He didn't get this one from Brian.

I JUST said it's called CREEPSTERS.
It's a rip-off of a property that's been ripped off a hundred times.

You might as well own it and name your gremlins... well gremlins. Or try coming up with something that wasn't done to death between 1984 and 1990.

Maybe two hot female gremlins (one's really a dude tho and the other is a lezzy) in space messing with star-ship warp drives until their mischief gets them into more trouble than they can handle. And give them guns Nasser. Chicks with guns are hot.
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It couldn't be any worse than a Doctor who can't pay his bills making a Faustian bargain when a random duck attacks him in his own home for no reason at all.

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"What's the least creative way I can involve a duck in this story."
"Deus ex machina ought to do it."

Gilmore's art isn't the only thing about Ductor Satan that's garbage. In fact the art, as bad as it is, is still the most competent contribution to the project.

Edit: This was unbelievably lazy of Gilmore. Back to back splash pages with little to no art. This is lazier than John Byrne in the 80s.
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I doubt Mags registers anywhere on Millar's radar.

Millar does analogs or homages to classic works and characters like John Carter, Flash Gordon, Bat-Man, Justice League and the like.

I haven't seen him scrape the bottom of the barrel for new ideas. He didn't get this one from Brian.


It's a rip-off of a property that's been ripped off a hundred times.

You might as well own it and name your gremlins... well gremlins. Or try coming up with something that wasn't done to death between 1984 and 1990.

Maybe two hot female gremlins (one's really a dude tho and the other is a lezzy) in space messing with star-ship warp drives until their mischief gets them into more trouble than they can handle. And give them guns Nasser. Chicks with guns are hot.

It couldn't be any worse than a Doctor who can't pay his bills making a Faustian bargain when a random duck attacks him in his own home for no reason at all.

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"What's the least creative way I can involve a duck in this story."
"Deus ex machina ought to do it."

Gilmore's art isn't the only thing about Ductor Satan that's garbage. In fact the art, as bad as it is, is still the most competent contribution to the project.

Edit: This was unbelievably lazy of Gilmore. Back to back splash pages with little to no art. This is lazier than John Byrne in the 80s.
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I think someone called out another one of Mandys simps for tracing The Darkness too didn’t they?
 
I think someone called out another one of Mandys simps for tracing The Darkness too didn’t they?
I don't know.

This is what CG has become though. (if it was ever anything else) It's a wasteland of delusional inept writers and delusional criminally lazy and entitled artists.

"My 48 page book comes out the yr after next and I guarantee the story will be mildly more compelling than a phone book."
 
I don't know.

This is what CG has become though. (if it was ever anything else) It's a wasteland of delusional inept writers and delusional criminally lazy and entitled artists.

"My 48 page book comes out the yr after next and I guarantee the story will be mildly more compelling than a phone book."
CG is the place for those who were too retarded and talentless they couldn't even break into the comicbook industry.
 
For a good while, Gary and DvD saw themselves as the axis of TFM; regularly streaming together. With Gary’s refusal to defend his old partner and Doomcock’s notorious over-sensitivity, that relationship may well be now in jeopardy.

As clueless and as deluded as Doomcock is, he struck me at least as being faithful to his cohorts - it is however apparent that Gary is shedding all ‘dead wood’ not pertinent to his livestream grift. Gary has no friends in this game - everyone is expendable to him.
Letting Kinel name drop him like that with no reaction whatsoever is Gary's way of giving Doomcock the finger. He couldn't even muster up a half hearted "Oh give Doomcock a break" or "Hey, that's not nice lol".

My super secret sources are telling me there's a rumor going around that Gary and DvD's Inquisition show may soon be canceled!
This rumor is far more likely to be true than anything Doomcock has said in the last 5 years.

I'm usually pretty easy on Gary but now I see he's rather manipulative, which isn't that surprising considering he's a drug addict and manipulation is an addict's stock in trade.

Gilmore's art isn't the only thing about Ductor Satan that's garbage. In fact the art, as bad as it is, is still the most competent contribution to the project.
Yeah, this shit is terrible and the premise is stupid. Imagine trying to get people to pay $15-$25 for this mess.

Heck, must admit I even got a chuckle from the unexpected Cecil in Hell cameo.
I like that he's got EVS sitting there in TIE Fighter undies being force fed pie. Not sure Frog would consider that any kind of hell, really.

This is what CG has become though. (if it was ever anything else) It's a wasteland of delusional inept writers and delusional criminally lazy and entitled artists.

"My 48 page book comes out the yr after next and I guarantee the story will be mildly more compelling than a phone book."
Couldn't agree more.

On one side, you've got EVS' hand picked crew of former mainstream pros and on the other, absolute diarrhea. There's a small area of middle ground with some amateur projects that look good but it's a little island in an ocean of turds. The books from the EVS wing of CG aren't guaranteed to be good, they just are drawn competently for the most part, even if they're about flying cats.
 
unpopular opinion but, I really don’t see how Kim and Kim is a rip off of Dirty Pair. They don’t look similar at all aside from being female and edgy for their time. Mags does have a legit case for Space Bandits being a ripoff since the characters look very similar.
Dirty Pair itself was inspired by and derivative of women's tag-team pro-wrestling in Japan in the 1980s. Kim & KIm is derivative in certain respects of Dirty Pair. But it doesn't rise to the level of a "rip off" of dirty pair. There are very few characters and/or comics that are not derivative of (or inspired by) some previous characters/stories/etc.
The problem with calling Space Bandits a "ripoff" of Kim & Kim is that its so much better than Kim & Kim. Kim & Kim is a very amaturish indy comic IMO. Its derivative of past works in terms of certain elements, but its not completely derivative as "rip offs" are.
 
I like that he's got EVS sitting there in TIE Fighter undies being force fed pie. Not sure Frog would consider that any kind of hell, really.
I missed that. :oops: And also what appears to be Renfamous off in the distance in the clutches of a tentacle monster in the pool of lava.
 
On one side, you've got EVS' hand picked crew of former mainstream pros and on the other, absolute diarrhea. There's a small area of middle ground with some amateur projects that look good but it's a little island in an ocean of turds. The books from the EVS wing of CG aren't guaranteed to be good, they just are drawn competently for the most part, even if they're about flying cats.
What books from the "EVS wing" have compelling stories?

As far as I can see there are none. Power Ranger cats, Universal monster X-Men, GI-Joe knockoff sooper heroes, Cecil's Vanity project, Adam Post's recycled SJW webcomics. The artists are most definitely lazy and entitled. Look at the average turnaround on a CG book.

What is the most compelling story to come out of ComicsGate at all tiers? Not the coolest premise but the best STORY.

As far as I can tell the premises are mostly garbage and the interesting ones have been executed rather poorly writing wise.

There's been lots of praise for Kyle's sooper hero team book. I've seen no excitement about the story though. What's it about? Does anyone care what happens next?

The best stories I've seen come out of CG are from writers who refuse to associate directly with them anymore.

There must be some writer or writers in CG that have something to say and know how to say it. I thought Literature Devil might do something interesting with his villain turned hero book. Did that come out and was it anything special?

Edit: I applaud the CG people who sucked in their egos enough to hire tried and true writers like Mike Baron or Chuck Dixon to apply some craft to their ideas. Sadly that's the exception and not the rule.

Also, I'm sure Billy Tucci is doing decent work as always though I haven't read it.
 
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Turnaround in CG is something that's been lingering with me for a while. Some have called out Starblades for some rigid, or at least less than dynamic, art. I can empathize with artists who utilize such tools as cg models, especially for reference and for those on tight deadlines. But let's face reality, the turnaround on a lot of these cg books is not in weeks but months or even years.

Now a lot of these issues have come down to just awful logistics, but not all. How many successful campaigns have people supported, that new art has trickled out well after a book was supposed to ship? For projects that take so long to get into customers' hands, the level of art just often isn't there. Compare this to manga, where in Japan there are new chapters coming out weekly or monthly, and tankobon (trades) following on a regular schedule.

The flip side of this is the terribly long and irregular schedule-yeah the direct market is dying. But how many stores would stock floppies that maybe come out once a year? And who knows when? The direct to consumer model is working for some, but it's not expanding the base- getting either floppies or trades into more hands is critical for the scene to survive.

Is it reasonable to expect a regular schedule at some point? The creators setting up businesses around their campaigns probably have the best chance, but it's not really happened yet. Until they get to that point, it's difficult for the consumer to forgive less than stellar art, given the turnaround times.
 
What books from the "EVS wing" have compelling stories?
Hey, I never claimed those existed, merely that the books on that end of the CG "quality" spectrum are at least competently drawn, not necessarily "good" which is enough of a distinction to separate them from the bulk of comics that claim the CG pedigree, those being absolute garbage.

I've said before that I haven't backed anything in a while, owing mainly to the fact that I went 2 for 5 in good experiences in the last couple of years, with the two "good" books being Bigfoot Bill and one that had nothing to do with CG (MADI: Once Upon a Time in the Future). The others were late and gay. To be fair, MADI was several months late but the package was put together well and the book was absolutely beautiful so it made the wait worth it.

My view on crowdfunded comics in general and CG books in particular is that if you're asking for upwards of $25 for a comic, I better get a really good book that I'll come back to over and over, waiting for the next one, especially if the next one is going to take a fucking year or longer.
It better have a story I give a shit about and art that makes me drool. Extra stuff wouldn't hurt either. A premium price warrants a premium product. I am absolutely done with $20 floppies that look like they were drawn by semi-talented high school seniors.
 
What books from the "EVS wing" have compelling stories?

As far as I can see there are none. Power Ranger cats, Universal monster X-Men, GI-Joe knockoff sooper heroes, Cecil's Vanity project, Adam Post's recycled SJW webcomics. The artists are most definitely lazy and entitled. Look at the average turnaround on a CG book.

What is the most compelling story to come out of ComicsGate at all tiers? Not the coolest premise but the best STORY.

As far as I can tell the premises are mostly garbage and the interesting ones have been executed rather poorly writing wise.

There's been lots of praise for Kyle's sooper hero team book. I've seen no excitement about the story though. What's it about? Does anyone care what happens next?

The best stories I've seen come out of CG are from writers who refuse to associate directly with them anymore.

There must be some writer or writers in CG that have something to say and know how to say it. I thought Literature Devil might do something interesting with his villain turned hero book. Did that come out and was it anything special?

Edit: I applaud the CG people who sucked in their egos enough to hire tried and true writers like Mike Baron or Chuck Dixon to apply some craft to their ideas. Sadly that's the exception and not the rule.

Also, I'm sure Billy Tucci is doing decent work as always though I haven't read it.
This was always going to be the case. When you remove all barriers to entry and create a new distribution method that every self-publisher can use to market their wares then thats guaranteed to include a whole lot of garbage. That's a feature, not a bug. This new world requires the buyer to develope a more discerning eye and not just swallow whatrever the hot new brand (CG) tells you to buy.
 
Hey, I never claimed those existed, merely that the books on that end of the CG "quality" spectrum are at least competently drawn, not necessarily "good" which is enough of a distinction to separate them from the bulk of comics that claim the CG pedigree, those being absolute garbage.

I've said before that I haven't backed anything in a while, owing mainly to the fact that I went 2 for 5 in good experiences in the last couple of years, with the two "good" books being Bigfoot Bill and one that had nothing to do with CG (MADI: Once Upon a Time in the Future). The others were late and gay. To be fair, MADI was several months late but the package was put together well and the book was absolutely beautiful so it made the wait worth it.

My view on crowdfunded comics in general and CG books in particular is that if you're asking for upwards of $25 for a comic, I better get a really good book that I'll come back to over and over, waiting for the next one, especially if the next one is going to take a fucking year or longer.
It better have a story I give a shit about and art that makes me drool. Extra stuff wouldn't hurt either. A premium price warrants a premium product. I am absolutely done with $20 floppies that look like they were drawn by semi-talented high school seniors.
I’ve gotten KA and EWJ. I look forward to seeing a CG book some day.
 
Milquetoast Fandom Reject brit known as Mr. H

Literally who

On one side, you've got EVS' hand picked crew of former mainstream pros and on the other, absolute diarrhea.

Turnaround in CG is something that's been lingering with me for a while... the turnaround on a lot of these cg books is not in weeks but months or even years.

My take on the two camps and the reason for the turnaround is that on one side, you've got newbies who are enthusiastic about comics or hopping on the perceived gravy train but with no clue what they're doing. On the other, people who just have to hint at creating a book, and the pledges and superchats come raining down.

The actual book is not strictly necessary in this latter business model, so you can take your sweet time over it. Running a CG crowdfunder is really about selling hope and rumors to your loyal, trusting fan base for years. The slim advantage over TFM is there's a little more tangibility and maybe, maybe you eventually get that book. 'Book' being defined as anything between Dostoevsky, and several sheets of used toilet paper stapled together.

No, let's widen that definition a little. A 'book' is anything between Dostoevsky, and 499.

I've said before that I haven't backed anything in a while, owing mainly to the fact that I went 2 for 5 in good experiences in the last couple of years, with the two "good" books being Bigfoot Bill and one that had nothing to do with CG (MADI: Once Upon a Time in the Future). The others were late and gay.

My view on crowdfunded comics in general and CG books in particular is that if you're asking for upwards of $25 for a comic, I better get a really good book that I'll come back to over and over, waiting for the next one, especially if the next one is going to take a fucking year or longer.

This. BFB and EWJ are the only crowdfunded books I currently keep up with, CG or not, culture war or not, because for $25 they're big chonky books with good art, the story's alright, and the annual turnaround between the two is consistent so far. Comparable to a european band desinee album. Though if Doug followed that model more closely and drew more than three panels per page, the books might have considerably less chonk.

Also because the fucking amateurish, backbiting shambles of CG made me quit looking for new crowdfunded books long ago. I'd consider buying printed volumes of manga that I already read online, and dig through comixology for old series, before digging through indiegogo again.

This new world requires the buyer to develope a more discerning eye and not just swallow whatrever the hot new brand (CG) tells you to buy.

Discernment is necessary? Then it's a pity this brave new world is divided between CG, and people who think Order Of The Stick is good.
 
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The actual book is not strictly necessary in this business model, so you can take your sweet time over it. Running a CG crowdfunder is really about selling hope and rumors to your loyal, trusting fan base for years. The slim advantage over TFM is there's a little more tangibility and maybe, maybe you get that book.
It's called selling the sizzle, not the steak. The American restaurant chain Chilis made famous their sizzling hot fajitas by having the meat and vegetables being served to the table on a hot iron skillet, so it would direct other customer's ears and noses to look at what's going on.

EvS is great at selling sizzle. Zach has compared him to a carnival barker, but (at the risk of ego inflation) I would say he's comparable to Stan Lee or a Disney, but this far on a small scale. He's got generally one product line (cyberfrog), he's delivered some books and a fair amount of ancillary product, and is even helping to lift up some floundering colleagues with his All Caps company. His community will be around for a while.

His first risk is he becomes a Jim Davis of Garfield fame. Dude made an empire selling that orange cat on everything. But after a while he was just a manager, the comic was done by underlings and it definitely peaked culturally. Dude still managed to sell the company and characters off to Paramount at a tidy profit years down the line.

EvS's second risk is bringing on people not under his direct influence. He turned around the Starblades project, which seems to have been a good business decision. But Kyle does a lot of work for and with Ethan, and the creative work was largely fine. Zach is a wildcard. He has had a great critical eye, and some of his early work was well received. But his lack of focus and customer care could cause friction down the line with All Caps, which could lead to ugly legal shit down the line that would make

Moving on from EvS, you just need to look at the video view counts and subs- there's not a 100% direct correlation there to campaign success, but there does seem to be a tier 1, and then a tier 2 and tier 3 in the cg crowd. If there is an injustice in the model, it's that the market doesn't react quickly enough to the non-delivering grifters, regardless of their sizzle level.
 
His BS and donal's happening at the same time is what made me leave. I was tired of people I thought were my friends (donal, Peter, YellowFlash, Umbrella Guy) messing with my books.

BUT I really don't think there's any reason the book should go to waste. I keep telling him we can just launch a campaign with those finished 24 pages and if it fails oh well he doesn't need to draw more of it. And if it succeeds then he'd just finish the rest of it.

Peter just posted this link yesterday. If you want to check out what was finished, you can read Ducktor Satan here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kqsRtDMOTsfMb5xnInSiLlC5at5zZJ8Q/view
I'd like to take a moment to advocate on behalf of the trees that might be killed in order to make the pulp to print "Ducktor Satan" on...

Holy shit.

Move forward, Nasser, and never look back again.
You're right.

I think my flagship book is going to be CREEPSTERS. I love the script, and I've got somebody I want to hire. Haven't worked out the pitch yet, but an asteroid mutates an ancient nest of eggs into CREEPSTERS--tiny monsters that go around causing mischief.

It's sort of my Critters/Gremlins/Ghoulies. I think having a lot of tiny monsters is very marketable (something I desperately need), and it opens up the world to a lot of stories to tell, a lot of mishap these monsters can get into.
Don't let that mean fat @FROG get you down, @NasserRabadi13!

Look, maybe it's because the last ComicsGate back-alley abortion I inspected was @Wenger's Aldrake, but I honestly didn't find Ducktor Satan to be nearly as shit as I expected it to be!

It's far, far better than Wenger's Aldrake, which people may remember as the one where Slug went to the toilet while it was being forcibly promoted on his show by Slug's primordial friend and fellow comicbook auteur, Matthew Wenger.

Old Wenger! How come he don't come around no more? He was truly one of the most sparkling intellectual lights of the highly prestigious CAPS CG show. I'm being sarcastic of course - he's off-the-charts shit at both comics and speech.

So let's never mind Wenger - back to Nasser being shat on. Don't let that bloated bullying SLUG bigtime you, Nasser. He's a shit writer! Even his own longtime best friend @TESTEFY-HD admitted it in public the other day, he said he's a shit writer, but the art makes up for it. The art makes up for it! It makes up for his shit writing! That's the job that his art needs to do, that's the work his art needs to do. He's such a good artist, and such a shit writer, that the good art has to make up for the shit writing. That's according to his own best friend!

Whereas with your Ducktor Satan, you've taken a completely shit idea, unbelievably shit idea, along with an artist who can only just barely draw, very arguably can't, and yet you've managed to turn it into a sort of ... thing, that isn't really too terrible. It's actually not as awful as you would expect!

So you've taken absolute pure shit, and made it not-unbearably-shit, which is like the first step on your alchemical journey of turning shit into gold.

Be proud, not ashamed! Ignore that vile, bloated, glistening SLUG, and his womanish twitterish 'omg girlfriend' comments. Let them roll off your back Nasser - let them roll like water off a DUCKTOR SATAN'S BACK!

(Although, in fairness, Frog is right about moving on and not wasting trees or mental energy on it any more)
 
Milquetoast Fandom Reject brit known as Mr. H is on a live show currently discussing Kimmel versus DVD

Going for a recap of that livestream

Ryan Kinel VS Doomcock Exploring An Interesting School Boy Drama - LIVE

He starts stating the obvious: Kimmel and DVD share the same audience - it is retarded to call them retarded
At 5 minutes in he has stated everything, but has to milk some drama views

Then he goes into Doomcock, saying that some of his rumours (for instance his Batman ones) were debunked. He goes to great length not to call their common fans retards.
He says Doomcock is more interested in theatrics than the integrity of his rumours and does this for clicks. Then he says his info comes from Reddit, not inside info.

Up to this point we can assume that Mister H is too smart to belong in the Fandom Rejects.

Then he says that the problem is that some people in Doomcock's audience believe all his rumors as facts and this is getting on the nerves of other fandom rejects.
Plus some envy that DVD is getting more views - he never says that, but mentions that he is getting more views.

He then goes to the Uche stream and throws G&G under the bus for disrespecting the fans.

Various FM retards heckle him from the chat. He calls one out and uses him as a shield to avoid calling the entire FM audience retards. Which is generous of him tbh.
He puts some digs in for people who do livestreams but do not read the chat.

He is a raving mad brit, meaning he is very polite and dissing everybody with an extra dose of sarcasm. The reason AZ or The Critical Drinker are so over the top is because the
Brits can be too sober.

He returns to Uche stream and throws shade at everybody from FNT for saying nothing at all as they did with Zack Snyder.

Then he goes into the Fandom Rejects acting like schoolchildren on Twitter.

On the 20 minute mark EVS joins the chat and people are running behind pizza parlors to suck his dick.

Ethan comments at minute 24 and joins the stream at minute 27
Some rando called Nick from Echo Base Network (who I get are a DoomCock orbitter channel) joins around that time, but EVS steals his thunder before he can finish one sentence.

EVS goes and says that after the Zack Snyder stream FM has been decicated. He says that him, Mr H that rando called Nick and Jeremy are the smart ones who have to advocate for the Fans.
It is interesting he forgets to mentions Gary.
He is calling out the superchat fishing from other youtubers while covering his own superchatters.
He is all in for Youtuber on youtuber action, but calling the fans that they are retards is bad form.

EVS throws DC under the bus, calling him a clown with Mike Zeroh accuracy.
He points that Doomcock is like a supermarket tabloid and then concedes that Brits are a far superior civilization, since their newspaper has titties in page 3.

Nick manages to speak and has a fence sitting take that DC cannot prove his sources but Mr H shuts him down.

Mr H says that Gary should have interfered, as Uche should have.

Then they go into the Members Only stream DoomCock did while somebody in the chat mentions that Doomcock hid behind a paywall crying like a bitch.

They all agree that Kimmel vs Doomcock is funny, as EVS mentions. We are proud of you, @FROG

Nick mentions that FM is eating eachother alive like the SJWs

AndySignore from Popcornedplanet.com enters the stream around minute 50 and goes all out on Doomcock and says that his sources suck.
Then he calls out Nick and Jeremy for enabling Doomcock for making shit up.

Mr H throws shade at everybody quoting Doomcock as a source and EVS throws Boundingintocomics in a ditch.
EVS is correct saying that people want to see the Fandom Rejects as firends. Guess they are different from CG...

That Star Wars Thot Anna joins the chat around the hour mark and simps her second favourite buff brit from the chat. WorldClassBedShitters is also in the chat.

Mister H manages to throw shade on The Quarter Pounder as well. He is mostly boring but at this stream he is throwing truths. He says that he is bored of doing clickbait and returned
to watching movies and making reviews.

Popcornedplanet Andy says that the algorithm favour drama and this is ruining the community and Jeff agrees that this is because of them having zero content to talk about for a year.

After the hour the arguements are recycled again and again.
Since the collective intellect too high for a Fandom Reject stream, Jeff from WCBS enters the stream around minute 70.
He is eating nachos but is fast to say that Doomcock rumors have taken over everybody's content.
Jessie Milestone also goes in while not on camera.
Now, the average IQ is close to double your average Fandom Reject stream, so the disconnect is not that strong.

Jessie goes into an arguement with EVS, saying that Doomcock is manipulating his audience and MrH agrees with her but says it in a more diplomatic way.

EVS jokes that maybe Doomcock is a KK spy with a mission to make FM look stupid. Not that one is needed.

Popcornedplanet makes a great point, that nobody debunks Doomcock because they want to keep their fans. And someone else says that it is because Doomcock's bullshit gives people content.

Jeff tells that he tried to do a debunk video and "was told" not to make that video. He does not say by whom.

Mr H goes on the Batman rumors and why they are stupid. At around minute 86 he calls those believing the rumors that WB are mad for Robert Patinson fucking Zoe Cravitz on the batmobile and shutting the production are incels, sort of breaking his initial thesis.

Someone in the chat says that Mr H should voice Cyberfrog. I'll second that.

Somebody asks Ethan where the Fandom Rejects should go and EVS says "I got Comicsgate"

Jeff says that the FM used to organize, then people got greedy and started messing with other's streams. Seems like he is referring to Gary.

Jessie Milestone calls Ryan Kimmel a retard, because he is still a Zack Snyder fan while a member of Grifters and Gaymers and a spineless cunt.
At minute 105, after grilled for naming names she seems to say that she has a problem with Gary staying silent and pretty much accuses him for having mouthpieces badmouth other people behind closed doors.

The vicious circle of people believing Doomcock and people quoting Doomcock for news prompts another arguement between Mr H and Popcorned Andy.
EVS compares Doomcock to cult leaders to break it then goes into the JFK assassination. He obviously understands that this livestream is getting stale.

Mr H tries to follow what Jeff said about getting pushback for videos. He says he was there before FM started yet nobody talks about him. And that there is an "official FM stance"
Jessie, who opened the can of worms on the Mary Mayhem #metoo stream goes on the offencive and says that Doomcock turned her theory videos as his sources.

EVS is derailing with his analogies to cult leaders.
He is making the stream entertaining. Until he almost mentions Scientology, but the man who said that he wants to kill asian people with a Tommygun has enough sence to stop himself.

Jessie sets down the whole Doomcock manipulation of his fans around the 2 hour mark then explains why Doomcock is jealous of her and how funny she is... Yeah, i know.

Ethan starts fealing fatherly and goes on a torrent of dad jokes.

Mr H goes on about he is not FM and then asks his guests where they see TFM going.

Jeff believes that TFM is in a place that needs rebuilding.
EchoBaseNetwork are like: we plan to do more positive stuff and he is positively boring AF and I don't care
EVS calls Doomcock lies as the pillar that keeps the Fandom Menace clown tent standing.
@FROG is a poet!
Mr H shuts the stream at that point.

They even go into the Mecha situation while reading superchats, but since it is Nick telling that it is a bore.

Overall it was a fun stream to watch.
 
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