#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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I don't have a P.O. Box, and while it's true they'd have to do another step to match the name to the address, I try to leave as few bread crumbs as possible.

That's not really even the main point though. The main point is that doxing backers is a shitty thing, any way you slice it. You can apparently get away with that in CG.
There is no "in CG." It's just people who want the same thing from comics. There's no membership, there's no "kicking someone out." It's an internet consumer movement, and so it's filled with some great people and some shithead grifters and con artists who are here simply to make trouble.

There's being excommunicated from my channel or my presence, which some have equated to being "kicked out of CG."

I agree that "doxing backers" is unacceptable. I don't think anyone who regularly appears on my channel has doxed their backers.
 
That's what I thought.

I wanted to make completely sure I had my facts straight before I called bullshit. Like maybe TUG got the heave ho without me knowing.
For supporting information:

The Case of the Littlest Umbrella $109,580
ANOTHER Case for the LITTLEST UMBRELLA $158,480

Reasons will be found why TUG doesn't count. Generally anything that contradicts the narrative doesn't count.

If you listen long enough, you will discover that there is no comicsgate at all really. Or that nobody can be identified as being "in* it or *out* of it unless it serves the narrative.
Comicsgate is whatever god says it is at any particular moment and Comicsgate is always defined as whatever serves god's interests.

This has been going on for years. Its why if you go back to a certain person's channel now and look for streams concerning ANY controversial incident, you will not find them. History is whatever he says it is.
 
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I think the delayed fulfillment is what killed it. CG is more a cult of personality as of late than a comic book collective.

Frog will continue selling as he’s got skills, but there’s a lot of unfulfilled in CG, alongside nightmares like Martina and the Red rooster drama
Lot's of things seem to be contributing to the decline, not the least of which is just fatigue around an idea with less and less excitement around it every day.

I think CG is on "sunk cost fallacy" life support right now. A lot of spergs invested a lot of time energy and money in to ComicsGate and it's easier to continue for a while more than to confront the reality that the movement is dead and the community is Testify, Adam Post and Jon Malin.
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That said, eventually the urge to prop up a sunk cost fallacy even dies.

Good. Hopefully the last few holdouts will be forced to git gud and rebuild from there. Make it like it was meant to be.

I don't hold out much hope, but I still have some.
Probably a good idea to abandon all hope where this is concerned.

There's plenty of potential outside the community but I don't see much happening in CG during the decline other than them cannibalizing each other to get a bigger piece of a shrinking pie.

I wouldnt be surprised to see the 2021 totals quintuple 60 days after the action figures launch.
There will be a huge spike but that spike will be all @FROG. People will cheer but most of the rest of the community will continue to decline.

I'm then offering a new BLOODHONEY BOX campaign, which was based on fan demand. It looks spectacular. It'll come with two new variants of the book, and some variant PVCs. I think that'll hit $100K.

And once REKT PLANET is complete, I'm launching CYBERFROG 3.

2021 will be a back loaded year for ComicsGate.
No. It will be a loaded year for you but I can see how the two might get confused.

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Is there a name for fetish fiction about giantesses? This is Super Harem again with more appealing art.

6K is a good number when you're niche is macrophilliac comic nerds. If he's smart the creator is pushing this on fetish forums and will offer a nudy variant like that zombie book with the red head. Looks like his Deviant Art page has some NSFW stuff so it's a possibility.
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Im perhaps hyberbolic to suggest it'll be with the 60 days. But I fully expect Ethan to single handedly add at least another $4.5m to the overall title by the end of the year.
That's Ethan alone. Not the community. Maybe the community will get some scraps from the excitement built up around Ethan's latest offerings but I wouldn't get to optimistic about it.

TUG is the reason why I have had to ask the organizer of every single campaign I've been interested in whether they will misuse my backer information.So far, I've had to ask Lunga, Quaff, and even @NasserRabadi13. It's not a pleasant thing, and is not something I should have to do. It's not normal.
I bet they all said they wouldn't use it. So you can rest assured.:roll:

But then I think TUG said he never has and never will either so...

SMMFH


I agree that "doxing backers" is unacceptable. I don't think anyone who regularly appears on my channel has doxed their backers.
Gaslighting at it's finest from the guy who covered for TUG and WarCampaign when they did exactly that.

"I don't know what your talking about. These are just good guys with an edgy sense of humor."
 
There is no "in CG." It's just people who want the same thing from comics. There's no membership, there's no "kicking someone out." It's an internet consumer movement, and so it's filled with some great people and some shithead grifters and con artists who are here simply to make trouble.

There's being excommunicated from my channel or my presence, which some have equated to being "kicked out of CG."
What I'd like to ask here is, if that's true, why the big thing about the TM and preventing "certain people" from using it to promote "certain things"?

Maybe there's no "in," but this suggests there's definitely a mechanism for an "out." You could say "Fuck you, you can't use the CG TM on your book or its marketing." In fact, I think you stated your intention to do exactly that at one point.

I recognize this is a delicate time to ask that question, but it's relevant to the topic at hand.

I bet they all said they wouldn't use it. So you can rest assured.
No doubt you see me as gullible, and maybe I am. But I'm actually trying really hard not to be overly cynical or paranoid. It's a difficult balance to strike sometimes.

The alternative is to just not give any of these people anything, and there's a few projects I actually like. I don't want to believe everybody is human scum. It's a depressing thought.
 
What I'd like to ask here is, if that's true, why the big thing about the TM and preventing "certain people" from using it to promote "certain things"?

Maybe there's no "in," but this suggests there's definitely a mechanism for an "out." You could say "Fuck you, you can't use the CG TM on your book or its marketing." In fact, I think you stated your intention to do exactly that at one point.

I recognize this is a delicate time to ask that question, but it's relevant to the topic at hand.
I get that you're kinda new to the whole CG thing but if you're expecting him be consistent instead of expedient in what he says you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

CG is a movement, a community or whatever it's convenient to call it in the moment.
 
I get that you're kinda new to the whole CG thing but if you're expecting him be consistent instead of expedient in what he says you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

CG is a movement, a community or whatever it's convenient to call it in the moment.
I understand that.

I back products and not hashtags. Unfortunately, it's difficult to suss out which products are put out by duplicitous shitheads, and which aren't. And I guess I can't count on FROG, the nominal leader of CG, to act as the Better Business Bureau. If anybody can be CG, it begs the question why even have a CG. A "movement" or "community" suggests some organizational structure. Which there is... given there is a trademark that can be wielded as a weapon, and there's clearly some brigading that happens on occasion. Yet... there isn't... given that it seems like there's all there is, and nobody who calls themselves CG wants to call out 98% of the bullshit that goes on.

If it's gonna be like this, just call everybody an "independent comics producer," open the name to everybody, and remind everybody caveat emptor. Done. Hashtag irrelevant. This one foot in and one foot out crap is exhausting.

EDIT: To answer your earlier question. Giantess fetish is "macrophila." Yes, really.

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EDIT: To answer your earlier question. Giantess fetish is "macrophila." Yes, really.
Is there a name for fetish fiction about giantesses? This is Super Harem again with more appealing art.

6K is a good number when you're niche is macrophiliac comic nerds.
I know.

EDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! What kind of comic are you promoting here @FROG ?!?!?!

This is hilarious!!!

DAMEGANG
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Definitely a another fetish book.
 
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The growing crunch on smaller channels is something that's been going around lately.



05/06/2021 - OZ ART CREATIONS - THE TRUTH ABOUT WELL READ

In this unusual solo stream set to a double exposure of the outdoors and Oz drawing "Uncut Koala 3" (a replacement original art piece of an anthropomorphic Liam-Koala, complete with uncircumcised penis .for Etsian Wiggle Wiggle/Pink Rage Ape), Oz embarks on a long monologue lamenting the ultimate outcome of his "Oz Show" project.

Apparently what was intended with the Oz Show was a long-form analysis and deconstruction of what he describes as the the "emotionally disturbed, troubled, undeveloped" personalities and characters wandering around the world of Comicsgate, for the enlightenment and entertainment for himself and his audience. Instead what happened was that the insane people that went on his show, that he courted, found common ground, organized themselves into a group and fought with him for control over his own show. This reversal of the power dynamic involved does not appear to have pleased Oz, who comes across as defeated and depressed. With that, Oz feels the time is right for delivers his diagnosis:

First described by Oz are the people like Testefy and VikkiVerse who, being straight white people, cloak themselves in the flag of the customer to take on the position of entitlement from the creator and appropriate the rhetoric of the victim. In reality they are content creators themselves in competition with himself, their channels being centered around drama and critique of others and thus are always in search of grievances with other creators. His audience being angry at him for the offense of him stringing them along and leaving them in the back of a call-in show while ushering on other guests is, what he feels, the perfect example of this.​
Next is the coordinated effort behind the scenes for these people to reinvent themselves into provocative shock jock personas, as Frog did successfully, and using smaller shows like Oz's to do so; together they work collectively to manipulate viewership metrics (described by Oz as "brigading") to coerce "the people" (read: Oz) to continue helping them in this goal despite "the host" (Oz) getting nothing out of this, not even a genuine experience with an individual.​
The most egregious example Oz can think of this is the transformation of longtime Comicsgate proletariat and sometimes Oz show guest Well Read User1 from the monotone, pretentiously serious-sounding (in Oz's estimation) character he was a few months ago to a furious detractor of his show and his business, the Australian describing Well Read's new presenting of himself as "total badass guy" persona as the resort of someone with no other qualities to but still wants the attention of others and a minimal amount of opportunities to be seen as worthwhile in real life.​
Oz would like to leave those like Testefy, Smug Pug, Wiggle Wiggle and Well Read with a final thought: if they're putting on these fake personas to receive the attention they're starving for in real life; none of the attention they garner would validate a single belief or value held by their true, authentic selves but the construct they've created. The problem that originally existed is still there and that, in the end, Oz posits that pretending to be an asshole for attention is ultimately a psychologically unfulfilling and self-defeating choice in the long run.​
Closing his monologue, one gets the sense that after the complaints about cliques and brigading, the core of Oz's complaints is that his original artistic vision, of being a sort of Louis Theroux of Comicsgate and engaging in passive "gonzo journalism" of the crazies within the community, only to slowly be turned into a put upon, spat upon janny and stagehand for a Loud Asshole Variety Hour. One where his audience tests and finetunes the latest attention gathering gimmick to launch upon Comicsgate livestreams and threatens consequences on Oz if he complains about it.​
Oz closes with the line "I don't think it's too much to ask for authenticity. And I don't think it's too much to ask that when you come on my show, you're a bit respectful".​
But where one channel dies, another finds new life:


09/06/2021 - [CONQUEST COMICS - Rule of 3 taken 5 times. Argue and Rumble, a WAR for your minds!

While Oz in his intellectual hubris might have withered under the waves of the... less balanced undercurrents of Comicsgate, one person where the opposite is the case is fellow countryman Liam Gray.

Word having arrived to Liam that his many, many enemies have sectioned off and begun to battle each other in a threeway free for all, and having multiple campaigns in the works that he will have to sell by himself, the toppled Orange Koala senses it's the time to escape the watchful, wrangling eye of his colorist Lydilol and enter the field once more.

Liam opens with a rant on the state of saturday morning cartoons and how they've degenerated from their dayglo, childlike innocence from the 80s to joyless, woke sludge. The blame for this can be laid at the feet of the feckless millennial creators that these franchises have been entrusted to; they make cartoons they, as 20-30 year olds, would want to watch and that is an act of supreme selfishness in Liam's eyes. When the children realize how their childhood culture has been mutilated with cynical, irony and insincerity, they will visit a great reckoning upon the creators of drek like Rebecca Sugar. Hell to pay, Liam prophesies.

Thus concluding the more subdued and measured part of the stream, Liam goes to the main subject of discussion, deftly seguing from the reckoning due the pedophile CalArts cabal, creators of Steven Universe and Infinity Train to the reckoning due against his many, many enemies (who are also pedophiles). Prodded on by chat member "Simple Jack", Liam relates his own experience about being smeared as a child predator by Testefy when in fact he is working close in hand with the FBI against child predators and is also denouncing them at this very moment as the two of them speak. The man in question is always trying to "help" their business and channels while being an unemployed man living in squalor.

Liam digresses to the time-consuming nature of being a youtuber, that those who are unable to exert self-control lose themselves to the grind of constantly producing content, citing the The Fandom Menace as a good example of this. The need to produce more content for their channels has completely divorced the Star Wars fandom from the impossibility of this point of the franchise being restored somehow. The level of ownership and entitlement exhibited by a minority of the Star Wars fandom is hardly a new thing, according to Liam, as he cites The People vs George Lucas as a convincing argument for this behavior being what led to George Lucas selling Star Wars to Disney in the first place.

Simple Jack brings the stream back on track by describing Testefy as a necessary evil in the service of generating views, sending Liam into a monologue about how everyone knows who Randy Hegg is and where he is and that it's only a matter of time before someone knocks on his door to give him the bullet. Liam is careful to caution that he will not be the one to do it. There's a return to 2020 as Liam even begins dusting off the old narratives of yesteryear, blaming Testefy as being one of the forces urging him to turn against Frog, ignoring the past year where Liam did that all on his own after Nasser returned to Comicsgate in the face of Liam's diktat months, after Testefy and Liam fell out. Liam returns to the topic of it being an open secret that the creator of Ren and Stimpy is a pedophile as well. Liam spends the next 30 minutes or so outlining the proclivities of well-heeled people in the western animation industry and their history of grooming, calling upon the audience to look it up for themselves.

After playing a Finatra mashup of his debate with Sketch, Liam returns to his calumny against his tormentors, recounting his persecution at the hands of VikkIVerse through the Stan Lee estate and how he escaped litigation by doxing himself to them and even then at the skin of his teeth. How he's been the victim of black hat hackers, that they've made attempts to hack his backer information and even destroyed his router and two computers. All this because Liam was the whistleblower for SlickJimmy ([citation needed]) and the rest of TUG's daughters' simps. "FBI's got it all" Liam yells into the mic, "you fucking sick degenerate parasites. FBI's got it all, fuck they got all your fucking conversation. ALL YOUR FUCKING INFO. ENJOY YOUR FUCKING FREEDOM WHILE IT LASTS ANYWAY....

This is a fucked up world to operate in, in case you haven't noticed guys. I want to sell comic books and I want the medium to sort of comeback and be popular again. I don't want it to be a retro fad because it has 90 years of tradition right? I want to make us- I want to make us have a comeback. I know I can't do it myself BUT ALL IT TAKES IS ONE THING
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Returning to form, Liam continues his spirited debate with Simple Jack and a handful of others in the chat, describing his reporting to the local authorities of his former disciple turned traitor Etsy Ciderhype for cyberterrorism as a merciful warning to a "disabled piece of shit". That, reflecting back with what he's received from his so called ideological brethren, Liam's mistake was that he was if anything too merciful towards his enemies. With his true believers cheering him on, Liam says he should have ignored the big names cautioning him otherwise and struck all his enemies down once and for all like with SWC. These people even go so far as to question his ability to make a Conquest Comics hut; coughing through "drywall lung", Liam says (paraphrasing as this goes on for several minutes) if even half the inadquacy his drug-addicted, degenerate critics can put aside their child pornography to hate upon him is projection, they are beneath contempt


Overall I would describe it as a classic Liam episode, on occasion even factually going back to yesteryear.
Yeah that was some vintage Liam. Exhausting, disturbing, talked about working with the FBI and said FBI a lot, brought up pedos a lot, brought up the Ren & Stimpy pedo network, threw some former friends under the bus, vaguely dreamt of violence against his enemies, pretty much the full traditional Liam stream.

But it's funny to think of yesteryear. It's right around this time last year that Oz began the 'Live without Liam' shows that he later rebranded (creatively) as the Oz show.

In fact we're only a few days off from the one-year anniversary of Oz's encounter with Testy, also featuring what I'm calling the 'You Can't Argue With A Stupid Person' incident when George Peter Gatsis comes on:

 
Figured I'd chime in here on the whole decline of CG that's being discussed, as I am probably the thread's resident retard who has backed too many CG campaigns. Using myself as a small case study, I can say that I'm spending far less money and backing far fewer campaigns than I have since I starting backing. I've been following CG since 2018. Started backing campaigns in 2019 and backed a few dozen or so. That number effectively doubled in 2020. I'll just say that for 2021, I am on track to back fewer campaigns than I did in 2019.

The cause for this drop-off is primarily the quality of the books I'm receiving. Late books with no updates are pretty annoying as well, but my major issue is how embarrassingly awful the average CG book is. I've basically been decrying such books as Magic Cop and College of the Dead since I entered this thread, but those are a mere drop in the bucket of atrocious CG books. This widespread issue has made me far more hesitant to back new and unproven creators. So, as far as a "community" goes, the incompetent fucks are harming the newcomers pretty severely in my eyes. This problem is not exclusive to CG creators who had no professional career in comics, by the way. I recently read Florida Man by industry vet Mike Baron. Fucking abysmal. I also haven't been at all impressed with Mark Poulton's writing in Graveyard Shift or SeaDog and Codename: Killswitch. Not as bad as some, but certainly not what I'd consider good writing.

So, these days I'm mostly backing books by creators that have proven themselves before or those who can manage to wow me with their campaign page. Whether it's the art, concept, or what have you. I'm essentially done backing books that look so-so just for the sake of the movement and I'm certainly done giving talentless creators second chances. Bring your best on your first showing or go the fuck home. Oh and hire some goddamn editors and get people more intelligent than yourself to look through your books. Another thing that CG has a major issue with is the unwillingness to tell people that their work isn't good. Ethan is the occasional exception to this, as we saw with Wenger's Aldrake. But there really isn't much of a quality check when it comes to CG books. I understand it, as it's uncomfortable to tell someone that they're not good at what they're doing. But it really does spit in the face of the idea that CG is trying to make anything that's "better" than what the mainstream is putting out. Vita Ayala is unironically a better writer than most in CG. I wish I was joking.
 
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I've been informed his full name's been dropped in Preston's discord. He may not need a possible dox from one of us to properly serve him papers.
I know.

EDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! What kind of comic are you promoting here @FROG ?!?!?!

This is hilarious!!!

DAMEGANG
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Definitely a another fetish book.

yeah, that’s uh… a little too weird for me. This is more like those JAB comics you see on porn sites except the art is a lot more basic.
 
DeviantArt: The Comic Book.
DeviantArt is ComicsGate.

Maybe Ethan can publish it under AllCaps since he was horny to promote it and make sure it gets made.

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Looks to me like Billy has some good digital skills and he's knocking out a simple fetish book (probably commissioned by a macrophiliac fan) and is crowdfunding it for extra pesos.

Very industrious. Very CG.
 
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In other news, I got a pdf of JDA’s Deus Vault. The art is a good homage to John Buscema and I enjoyed the story it told. As expected it has a Christian bent to it but, not enough to beat you over the head with it and it fits in with the story’s universe.

Having read a couple of John’s books before, I can tell that his writing has improved a lot. Though there were a few glaring plot holes that came up as I read it. I mean yeah, it’s a by the numbers fantasy but it’s also very enjoyable if you like the art style in those old fantasy comics from the 70’s and 80’s like Conan and Elric. It is 80 pages long with 75 pages of story and it is has biographies of three of the main characters along with a map of land in the last five pages. I felt like I got my money‘s since it wasn’t like other Books I have gotten where it was like 40 or 60 pages of story and the rest of the book was fluff containing concept drawings or poster pin ups and shit like that.


Overall, I‘d recommend it.
 
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Figured I'd chime in here on the whole decline of CG that's being discussed, as I am probably the thread's resident retard who has backed too many CG campaigns. Using myself as a small case study, I can say that I'm spending far less money and backing far fewer campaigns than I have since I starting backing. I've been following CG since 2018. Started backing campaigns in 2019 and backed a few dozen or so. That number effectively doubled in 2020. I'll just say that for 2021, I am on track to back fewer campaigns than I did in 2019.

The cause for this drop-off is primarily the quality of the books I'm receiving. Late books with no updates are pretty annoying as well, but my major issue is how embarrassingly awful the average CG book is. I've basically been decrying such books as Magic Cop and College of the Dead since I entered this thread, but those are a mere drop in the bucket of atrocious CG books. This widespread issue has made me far more hesitant to back new and unproven creators. So, as far as a "community" goes, the incompetent fucks are harming the newcomers pretty severely in my eyes. This problem is not exclusive to CG creators who had no professional career in comics, by the way. I recently read Florida Man by industry vet Mike Baron. Fucking abysmal. I also haven't been at all impressed with Mark Poulton's writing in Graveyard Shift or SeaDog and Codename: Killswitch. Not as bad as some, but certainly not what I'd consider good writing.

So, these days I'm mostly backing books by creators that have proven themselves before or those who can manage to wow me with their campaign page. Whether it's the art, concept, or what have you. I'm essentially done backing books that look so-so just for the sake of the movement and I'm certainly done giving talentless creators second chances. Bring your best on your first showing or go the fuck home. Oh and hire some goddamn editors and get people more intelligent that yourself to look through your books. Another thing that that CG has a major issue with is the unwillingness to tell people that their work isn't good. Ethan is the occasional exception to this, as we saw with Wenger's Aldrake. But there really isn't much of a quality check when it comes to CG books. I understand it, as it's uncomfortable to tell someone that they're not good at what they're doing. But it really does spit in the face of the idea that CG is trying to make anything that's "better" than what the mainstream is putting out. Vita Ayala is unironically a better writer than most in CG. I wish I was joking.
Bro if you need to get any rants off your chest about these terrible comics, I for one will be all ears. I would love to hear more! And for you it might be cathartic, just grrrr take a vicious dump all over them.

I think it's also worth remembering here, that Wenger's Aldrake was drowned in the canal by Wenger himself, not Frog.

What happened was, Wenger tried to get it onto Frog's show, Frog in the back room kind of said ehhhh, sorry Wenger it sucks.
Then Wenger said (in his head) 'never mind I'll just brute-force in onto the show' and he promoted it on there while acknowledging that Frog didn't like it. Frog in response, rose to his feet and marched bravely to the toilet!

Then after that, and after Wenger also publicly threatened a CG-wide mutiny against Frog, then changed his mind, tucked his tackle firmly between his thighs and deleted the video (though it was saved by @Mister Dongs most excellently) - only after all that did Wenger then cancel Aldrake, presumably on account of being unable to promote it on Frog's 'Buy a shit comic' show.

I think it's high time you came clean about all this FROG!

What's going on here, hmm? Why are they all shit?

Are you deliberately picking the shittest, most boring, crappest retards in the world, for this sick little circus you've got going here??

I mean we're not just talking about one bad Wenger in the bunch. Liam? Micah? Friended, Post, Gat Hanzo? Antonio Brice, who judging from his F Off Well Read review, is one of the shittest writers in existence?

Did you kick Nasser out because he wasn't shit enough??

I WANT ANSWERS!
 
Then after that, and after Wenger also publicly threatened a CG-wide mutiny against Frog, then changed his mind, tucked his tackle firmly between his thighs and deleted the video (though it was saved by @Mister Dongs most excellently) - only after all that did Wenger then cancel Aldrake, presumably on account of being unable to promote it on Frog's 'Buy a shit comic' show.
Up until this point I thought Wenger was playing up the dumb redneck schtick as a character. But no, turns out he actually does have a sub-80 IQ.
 
yeah, that’s uh… a little too weird for me. This is more like those JAB comics you see on porn sites except the art is a lot more basic.
This is sort of a curious case. A really weird, fetishistic subject matter with art that is absolutely nothing to marvel at. This is what caught Ethan's attention? In the past, Ethan has stumbled upon books that look legitimately solid like COBALT: Thrashing About and BONDS: The Drive. I'd say DAMEGANG is the odd one out.

So this could be Ethan's attempt to test his funding powers as they currently stand. Or perhaps he's trying to weed out dissidents? Maybe seeing if anyone would challenge him on this. I suppose there's a possibility that he actually does like it. Though I believe the most likely option is that the creator of DAMEGANG is the person threatening to dox Ethan's zodiac sign!!!

Bro if you need to get any rants off your chest about these terrible comics, I for one will be all ears. I would love to hear more! And for you it might be cathartic, just grrrr take a vicious dump all over them.
I have considered doing a couple of deep-dives into some of CG's worst offenses. Maybe at some point.

only after all that did Wenger then cancel Aldrake, presumably on account of being unable to promote it on Frog's 'Buy a shit comic' show.
He said he couldn't fulfill what he promised despite reaching his funding goal. I guess he thought he'd hit $20k again like with Super Harem. Just goes to show his lack of self-awareness.
 
I think it's also worth remembering here, that Wenger's Aldrake was drowned in the canal by Wenger himself, not Frog.

What happened was, Wenger tried to get it onto Frog's show, Frog in the back room kind of said ehhhh, sorry Wenger it sucks.
Then Wenger said (in his head) 'never mind I'll just brute-force in onto the show' and he promoted it on there while acknowledging that Frog didn't like it. Frog in response, rose to his feet and marched bravely to the toilet!
At the time I thought that FROG got off on the idea of having power enough over his retard audience that he could get them to buy anything. No matter how bad. Aldrake was Wenger's first comic. FROG pushed Wenger's super-harem book on his show and seemed ready to also push a re-release of Aldrake. But I think what finally happened is that SWC did a review of the original Aldrake at a relative peak of their viewership within CG.

The review caused FROG to lose control of the Wenger narrative. In the aftermath of the SWC review, he couldn't go out in front of his audience anymore and push it. So he tried to bury it and came into conflict with Wenger on FROGs own show. Wenger believed that he was the genius that FROG had told him he was. FROG was cornered and when FROG gets put in a corner, he always cuts his losses by walking away from whoever is causing him the trouble. In that instance Wenger.

It wasn't much different than Adam Post. Anyone in FROG's circle is disposable. And if they create a perception problem for FROG, he will cut them loose and pretend that whatever controversy occurred was a total shock to him. Its just what he does.
 
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