#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Yosha]

As an aside, this was apparently the launch of a new Tuesday night multi-hour totally NOT FNT streaming for shekels production. It was head to head vs. WorldClassBullShitters, not sure if that's a time they normally stream. If it is, there might be some incoming drama there.

Now you can hear the same opinion, by the same people 3 times per week, with FNT, the real BBC and this new G&G show. I could say 4 times per week, but EFAP does not always cover the same topics... the only interesting thing about all this is, to see who will receive more money from George.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Reikata (or however you spell his name) has basically shrugged the whole thing off, if his words and behavior here is any guide. He was laughing and joking, didn't seem to care or bear anyone any ill-will. (48:10 or so if the link doesn't work directly)

As an aside, this was apparently the launch of a new Tuesday night multi-hour totally NOT FNT streaming for shekels production. It was head to head vs. WorldClassBullShitters, not sure if that's a time they normally stream. If it is, there might be some incoming drama there.

Capitalism isn't the problem, dishonest humans are. That's why basic regulation and more importantly *strict enforcement* of those regulations are necessary so everyone can play on a level field.

It's that enforcement part that was abandoned a couple decades ago and here we are.

 

[Strix454]

I'm going to side with JSG on this; at some point conservatives confused "rule of law" with "absence of law" when it comes to economics. He's right when he points out that there are anti-trust laws out there that prevent corporations from buying up all the water pipes leading into a city or all the roads in a town, and they exist for good reason. Everything Nick Rekeita talks about (Vic Mignogna's firing, Comicsgate, etc) all occurred in free market systems. Heck, Youtube could just decide hosting Rackets' show is more trouble than its worth and ban him from their platform on the grounds of 'profit' and his only recourse would be to just sit and wait for "the invisible hand" to create a free speech alternative to a network infrastructure capable of handling 26% of the globe's internet traffic. That is, assuming the desire for free speech is powerful enough to drive an alternative.

All that said, pulling out the "slavery card" was pretty fucking gay, even for Just Some Guy.

Nick doesn't understand economics or business because Nick has never actually worked for a living or done business. He is a guy who has been living like an entitled baby his entire life and wants to lecture people about how great unrestrained capitalism is. The "invisible hand" in Nick's life is his grandfather. The trust fund provides everything for him. Nick has also barely practiced law ever and doesn't practice law now.

The thing is that "conservative" is one of those words that doesn't mean what it used to mean. Its been hijacked by people who are political libertarians or people who are just flat-out liberals. The true conservative is in favor of stability and consensus politics. That the worst possible thing to ever do is to give in to the "utopian" daydreams of people on the left or the right who want to fix society by modifying or creating laws. That the best thing for governments to usually do is very little. Many so-called conservatives today just want to create solutions to the problems on the liberal agenda with different principles.

And yeah. JSG is pretty gay. He gets to a point in arguments were he just collapses mentally and starts making really stupid arguments or throws bombs like the Slavery thing out.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

The thing is that "conservative" is one of those words that doesn't mean what it used to mean. Its been hijacked by people who are political libertarians or people who are just flat-out liberals.

Been saying this for years. The folk in War Campaign actually made it a point to try to destroy me and others because of their want to co-opt everything with their leftism, and it's being followed by similar individuals with similar political leanings now, though not organized very well. It's pretty easy to identify who's actually right-wing though.

But I still say to the haters and losers: Trump won. Never Jab. And finally and most importantly, you will never be a real woman.

 

[Captain Manning]

Is this the origin story for JDA's new self insert comic book character 'The Incredible Sulk'?

Yes.

It's probably an unpopular opinion around here, but I put it to you that a bunch of coomers with a MAGA hat and a furry tail butt plug will not be the saviours of the comic book industry, let alone the saviours
of western civilization that some people seem to think they will be.

I actually agree with you.

But mainly because I think the comic book industry (and perhaps western civilization) is well and truly fucked.

The problem is cultural, and not merely artistic. One society took the blue pill, and the other took the red. One surrendered to wokeness, and the other has successfully resisted.

FROG actually knows this, and there's an entire segment of his show where he goes over WHY the manga industry has succeeded where the American comics industry hasn't. The crux of it was there there's no effort to "take over" successful genres like you see here in the west.

"Saving" has nothing to do with it. A lot of "hetrosexual social conservatives" like anime and manga because it hasn't been ruined.

 

[The Holmes]

Been saying this for years. The folk in War Campaign actually made it a point to try to destroy me and others because of their want to co-opt everything with their leftism, and it's being followed by similar individuals with similar political leanings now, though not organized very well. It's pretty easy to identify who's actually right-wing though.

But I still say to the haters and losers: Trump won. Never Jab. And finally and most importantly, you will never be a real woman.

"Sir, this is a Wendy's."

 

[EGB]

Deliver early and often at a moderate price point vs maximizing contributions from a declining pool of backers.

 

[Captain Manning]

I just don't get that brand of anime aesthetic. I like the big robots, and I dig AKIRA, lots of speed lines and action in Manga.

Again...

*HAVE* *YOUR* *READ* *THE* *BOOKS?*

Tim and Mark can continue to succeed moderately by selling to that audience

You have a weird definition of moderate within the context of alternative comics.

Speaking of which...

Deliver early and often at a moderate price point vs maximizing contributions from a declining pool of backers.

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Ethan's stunning counterpoint:

"The book looks gay."

 

[jspit2.0]

It is called "manga" and it outsells american comics for hot blooded men.

Edit:
On other news, there may be a slapfight brewing between everybody's favourite CGer JSG and Internet lawyer Nik Rikeita

TLDR: They had a livestream, an arguement about price gouging and Rikkets called JSG a communist, which got JSG's panties in a bunch that went on a rant about sometimes capitalism = bad, which further proves my point about a lot of Trump supporters are misguided socialists...

It's almost like Justsomepedo was a member of a consumer advocate movement.

You don't have to be a liberal or a Socialist to oppose extreme Darwinian Capitalism. Price gouging is bad capitalism when an industry functions to undercut competitive pricing. This is all getting a tad dry for a thread about cows sperging.

I just don't get that brand of anime aesthetic. I like the big robots, and I dig AKIRA, lots of speed lines and action in Manga.

I have to say, the fully developed female form with a toddler's face has always struck me as creepy, and that's what most of that shit looks like to me.

Tim and Mark can continue to succeed moderately by selling to that audience, and I'll stay indifferent, even while their fans beg for my approval.

In what world is six figures moderately?

That sounds allot like Dillon face to me. And allot of manga doesn't look like that. Unless children in your world look like twenty something year old women...

Yes.


I actually agree with you.

But mainly because I think the comic book industry (and perhaps western civilization) is well and truly fucked.

The problem is cultural, and not merely artistic. One society took the blue pill, and the other took the red. One surrendered to wokeness, and the other has successfully resisted.

FROG actually knows this, and there's an entire segment of his show where he goes over WHY the manga industry has succeeded where the American comics industry hasn't. The crux of it was there there's no effort to "take over" successful genres like you see here in the west.

"Saving" has nothing to do with it. A lot of "hetrosexual social conservatives" like anime and manga because it hasn't been ruined.

I wouldn't just assume that the Japanese love for kink makes them red pilled.

 

[Strix454]

Deliver early and often at a moderate price point vs maximizing contributions from a declining pool of backers.

But this is CLEARLY impossible. They don't even stream on youtube on a daily (or even monthly) basis. We all know that streaming often is the only way to be successful.

As Liam Grey and @FROG have both proved at length, they are doing just EVERYTHING wrong. They are releasing too fast. They are offering digital. They are not building their market through youtube videos. As people have said time and again, you can't be successful in crowdfunded comics without doing things the comicsgate way. I mean I can't even figure out what 1980s or 1990s comic this is copied from. I mean if anyone had to make a choice, would anyone buy this obvious gay weirdo stuff over great books like 499, Teenage Mutant Ninja Veterans or Knife-Hand? You know its gay because, like Liam said, it has women on the cover. I can look at a book like Wonder Island and know I'm getting a third-rate knock-off of Legend of Zelda. But this stuff? It doesn't even seem like real comics.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Deliver early and often at a moderate price point vs maximizing contributions from a declining pool of backers.

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It's not an either/or. I don't think there's a declining pool of backers. It seems everyone's fed up with the mainstream and wants alternative. Tim and Mark provide a lot of fun. So does CG.

All money and attention that's drawn away from big globohomo satanic publishing is good. Folk need to stop sowing division and just enjoy what they like and let all of us grow together.

 

[Newman's Own]

I'm going to side with JSG on this; at some point conservatives confused "rule of law" with "absence of law" when it comes to economics. He's right when he points out that there are anti-trust laws out there that prevent corporations from buying up all the water pipes leading into a city or all the roads in a town, and they exist for good reason. Everything Nick Rekeita talks about (Vic Mignogna's firing, Comicsgate, etc) all occurred in free market systems. Heck, Youtube could just decide hosting Rackets' show is more trouble than its worth and ban him from their platform on the grounds of 'profit' and his only recourse would be to just sit and wait for "the invisible hand" to create a free speech alternative to a network infrastructure capable of handling 26% of the globe's internet traffic. That is, assuming the desire for free speech is powerful enough to drive an alternative.

All that said, pulling out the "slavery card" was pretty fucking gay, even for Just Some Guy.

This is a common fallacy. Blaming markets for the actions of bad actors. This leads to eventual regulation which leads to government induced monopolies.

Take YouTube as an example. YouTube is a naturally occurring monopoly bought by the Google monopoly tzars. Strangely these monopoly tzars support government regulation of YouTube (to a degree) and dump massive amounts of money into the Democratic party in hopes of shaping those regulations. The inevitable result is a regulatory system that protects YouTubes monopoly on video streaming by creating barriers to entry or growth to innovating upstarts.

The very best example (of which there are thousands) to this I can think of is the story of the death of the butcher shop. Decades ago butcher shops were the norm but supermarkets managed to compete poorly. But there was a problem with supermarkets. Unregulated supermarket meat was far less clean and safe than the stuff supplied by the journeyman butcher at the store on the corner. People got sick and complained.

The government decided to increase regulation on the meat cutting industry with the full support (and arguably hand greasing) of the supermarkets and against the wishes of the small businessmen. The result was a new regulatory burden which supermarkets with deep pockets and thousands of customers per location could handle easily. The small businessmen with far fewer customers per location mostly could not afford the new regulatory burden and within a few years their numbers dwindled to almost nothing. Then the supermarkets with the market cornered were free to lobby for reduced regulation if they wished.

The incidence of government regulation being gamed by large corporations to create and protect monopolies is the rule. Effective regulation to prevent price gouging or monopolistic behavior is a fairy tale that's easily sold to those without an economics degree and a resentment toward rich people.

This is the reason why Google supports censorship which ostensibly hurts their profits, because they can use it to maintain an artificial strangle hold on their market share. Reduced profit margins are an easy price to pay for market dominance.

Every mega corporation with a monopoly supports regulation because they know they can use it to protect their monopoly from the eventual market disruptors.

The unfortunate side effect of not regulating the market is the occasional guy who fills a storage unit with hand sanitizer and sells it for 30 times it's price but going after that guy plays right into Walmart and Amazon's hands (only they should be allowed to fuck with market pricing) and results in a net loss to the consumer in the long term.

If you were wondering why Zucherberg is so friendly with all the politicians who haul him in front of congress to explain himself over free speech issues every ten minutes now you know.

JSG is a kid who thinks he knows it all and is far more communistic in his thinking than he realizes. Rekita is just right (maybe by accident IDK I haven't watched his video).

Yes, free market absolutists make tankie communists look like geniouses.

This is the best self own I've seen in days.

 

[Captain Manning]

I wouldn't just assume that the Japanese love for kink makes them red pilled.

Thankfully, I don't. You clearly didn't read what I wrote.

They are red pilled simply be virtue of the fact they ignore western SJWs and keep doing what they've always been doing. It's a traditionally insular society.

We could extend this to things outside of sex, like race, class, gender, etc. Wake me when you see an established manga character awkwardly break the fourth wall and lament the representation of <insert weirdo minority group here> in something.

As Liam Grey and @FROG have both proved at length, they are doing just EVERYTHING wrong. They are releasing too fast. They are offering digital. They are not building their market through youtube videos.

They're releasing on Kickstarter AND Indigogo.

The price is reasonable.

They neglected to print it backwards. No, no... not "Japanese backwards." RETARDED backwards.

Most importantly of all, "the book looks gay."

Total failure.

 

[EGB]

It's not an either/or. I don't think there's a declining pool of backers. It seems everyone's fed up with the mainstream and wants alternative. Tim and Mark provide a lot of fun. So does CG.

All money and attention that's drawn away from big globohomo satanic publishing is good. Folk need to stop sowing division and just enjoy what they like and let all of us grow together.

That's not division just numbers and different cycles, interesting to see what is possible when the focus is on the artistic content, rather than meta drama and shock jock style youtube with the comics as a tangential product.

 

[Newman's Own]

I have to say, the fully developed female form with a toddler's face has always struck me as creepy, and that's what most of that shit looks like to me.

Tim and Mark can continue to succeed moderately by selling to that audience, and I'll stay indifferent, even while their fans beg for my approval.

You just keep pushing macrophilia books to normal guys who want to be shoved into immense women's asses like a non-pervert Ethan.

That's a cultural thing, japanese people tend to equate youthfulness with beauty. And big tiddies with beauty, which is a universal thing.

Male attraction to youthful women (women with tits and asses not children) is biological not cultural.

There is a distinct difference between the youthful faced but womanly Kamen America Tim creates and the lolli shit that Preston defends.

Someone in this thread would like to obscure that line to discredit people who make him look like a lazy twat.

He repeatedly called Jimmy "the dumbest guy in comics". He says Jimmy is an "average to below average guy". He says Jimmy shouldn't think of the internet as a "platform". He says Jimmy is just bored and that nobody would go to a comic book pro for informed opinions on things. That anyone in comics who shares opinions is stupid. That anyone who goes to people like Jimmy for opinions is just looking for confirmation bias.

I've always enjoyed Jimmy's work. I don't know his opinions and could not care less.

Zach should be begging Jimmy to teach him how to write.

Been saying this for years. The folk in War Campaign actually made it a point to try to destroy me and others because of their want to co-opt everything with their leftism

You have aligned yourself with a former War Campaign stooge who is engaging in exactly the tactics you deride (for the same "leftist" reasons) and you are cheering for it moron. You are what you hate.

This is why absolutely no one with an IQ above room temp likes or trusts you.

Folk need to stop sowing division and just enjoy what they like and let all of us grow together.

Who have you attacked today dipshit?

They are red pilled simply be virtue of the fact they ignore western SJWs and keep doing what they've always been doing. It's a traditionally insular society.

"Red pilled" is the state of realization that the left is trying to manipulate you. Not having contact with the leftists is not the same as being red pilled.

 

[Mister Dongs]

This is a common fallacy. Blaming markets for the actions of bad actors. This leads to eventual regulation which leads to government induced monopolies.

Take YouTube as an example. YouTube is a naturally occurring monopoly bought by the Google monopoly tzars. Strangely these monopoly tzars support government regulation of YouTube (to a degree) and dump massive amounts of money into the Democratic party in hopes of shaping those regulations. The inevitable result is a regulatory system that protects YouTubes monopoly on video streaming by creating barriers to entry or growth to innovating upstarts.

I'd argue that the existence of bad laws does not invalidate the necessity of good laws, and Google/Youtube's technocratic oligopoly isn't going to be undone by being rid of any sort of regulatory agencies or state actor capable of reigning them in. The Chinese government, because they have a vested interested in controlling the flow of information in their country, have walled off Google and other Alphabet subsidiaries very effectively (though I'm not a fan of what they replaced it with). Democratic republics can pass laws that are consistent instead of being at the whim of a magnate, and those laws are (at least theoretically) able to affected by the common man.

I'm of the mind that the absence of any authority within a system leaves a vacuum to be filled in with something else, whether it be state, a corporate monopoly, a Chicom Presidium or a despotic tyrant. The United States government, along with governments around the world, have raised hundreds of billions in capital to build the broadband infrastructure that has all but become a public utility in modern day life. Holding out hope that the free market will conjure hundreds of billions of capital for a competing parallel network is far more idealistic than thinking that laws could be passed forcing large corporations to, in certain circumstances, act in the public interest. It'd be more realistic to think Liam could topple Frog for control of the CG ship.




As it stands, the biggest threat Google and Youtube ever faced in the United States was in the early 2010s when they went to war with the Big Telecommunication firms (a rival oligarchy) over the threat of abolishing "net neutrality", This was framed to the plebs as telecoms making internet users pay a toll bridge for accessing certain sites but in reality was preventing the telecoms from charging Youtube, Netflix and Google a toll to access internet users. President Obama personally campaigned for net neutrality, Google won the day, and Obama was rewarded with a 9 figure deal for a Netflix documentary once his terms ended.

 

[Captain Manning]

I don't think there's a declining pool of backers.

I do. The number of unique KA backers has grown with each issue. The product has been well reviewed. People talk about KA more than Tim and Mark. Whereas I would wager that other CG creators count on their social media personality cult to cough up the dough. People who back the person more than the product. At some point, I think the former will supersede the latter.

Who have you attacked today dipshit?

I am still waiting for him to explain exactly how I'm "friends with Liam." I am almost borderline insulted by that claim. I am a far better judge of character than that.

I could simply call Jon a liar, but perhaps it is an honest mistake where he is confusing me with GreatLoner? Yet another person who recently managed to escape from Testecry's personality cult. Although what exactly convinced him to escape into Liam's arms is truly baffling. There are far more honorable and sympathetic people to talk to about Testefy.

"Red pilled" is the state of realization that the left is trying to manipulate you. Not having contact with the leftists is not the same as being red pilled.

Sure... fine...

They have not taken the blue pill because they don't care what whiny ass westerners think about a medium that is predominantly for domestic consumption. More specifically, they're not going to bork up the far more lucrative domestic market to satiate busybodies in a foreign market that don't consume the medium at anywhere near the rate domestic consumers do. Which, of course, is simply good business.

Better?

I would maintain not taking the western blue pill is functionally similar to taking the western red pill in the case of anime and manga, even if you want to press the point that it's methodologically dissimilar. After all, in the end, the same result is achieved. The overarching point here is that they haven't caved to SJW pressure.

This whole idiotic tangent is because FROG doesn't comprehend why "hetrosexual conservative males" like manga so much. If I haven't convinced him by now, I probably never will. I also think he's scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to shitting on KA, and he's being really quite ridiculous. If he truly doesn't care about Tim and Mark, he should simply say "I don't care" when people press him on the issue. Otherwise you get salty sounding crap like "the book looks gay."

 

[EGB]

You just keep pushing macrophilia books to normal guys who want to be shoved into immense women's asses like a non-pervert Ethan.


Male attraction to youthful women (women with tits and asses not children) is biological not cultural.

There is a distinct difference between the youthful faced but womanly Kamen America Tim creates and the lolli shit that Preston defends.

Someone in this thread would like to obscure that line to discredit people who make him look like a lazy twat.


I've always enjoyed Jimmy's work. I don't know his opinions and could not care less.

Zach should be begging Jimmy to teach him how to write.


You have aligned yourself with a former War Campaign stooge who is engaging in exactly the tactics you deride (for the same "leftist" reasons) and you are cheering for it moron. You are what you hate.

This is why absolutely no one with an IQ above room temp likes or trusts you.


Who have you attacked today dipshit?


"Red pilled" is the state of realization that the left is trying to manipulate you. Not having contact with the leftists is not the same as being red pilled.

The "CG" way?

 

[Strix454]

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The "CG" way?

Well. What you can say for sure is that its not gay. And the artist (whoever he is) is drawing a careful distinction here through the rapey implications that this is NOT April O'Neil of TMNT.
It also follows the Liam Grey rule that women should be helpless victims and never be heroic in comics because its "against our genes".
This sort of high school fan homage to the comics and characters of the 1980s and 1990s is what sets CG apart from the mainstream.
The people are crying out for more comics based on battletoads. Giving it to them is only listening to the market.
and AGAIN. ITS NOT GAY.

 

[jspit2.0]

It's not an either/or. I don't think there's a declining pool of backers. It seems everyone's fed up with the mainstream and wants alternative. Tim and Mark provide a lot of fun. So does CG.

All money and attention that's drawn away from big globohomo satanic publishing is good. Folk need to stop sowing division and just enjoy what they like and let all of us grow together.

Clearly not, as more people will buy the Death and Return of Superman Omni and the Jim Lee X-men trade over the next two quarters than will buy anything Lim, Ethan, or CG does.

Thankfully, I don't. You clearly didn't read what I wrote.

I fucking, clearly, did.

They are red pilled simply be virtue of the fact they ignore western SJWs and keep doing what they've always been doing.

No, that's not fucking red pilled. That's ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away.

It's a traditionally insular society.

But increasingly less so. Moreover, bigger producers are consulting with Western streaming services on content.

Every mega corporation with a monopoly supports regulation because they know they can use it to protect their monopoly from the eventual market disruptors.

No. I can cite to American Railroads or other Anti-trust actions. Americans have successfully regulated in the past and can do so again.

I'd argue that the existence of bad laws does not invalidate the necessity of good laws, and Google/Youtube's technocratic oligopoly isn't going to be undone by being rid of any sort of regulatory agencies or state actor capable of reigning them in. The Chinese government, because they have a vested interested in controlling the flow of information in their country, have walled off Google and other Alphabet subsidiaries very effectively (though I'm not a fan of what they replaced it with). Democratic republics can pass laws that are consistent instead of being at the whim of a magnate, and those laws are (at least theoretically) able to affected by the common man.

I'm of the mind that the absence of any authority within a system leaves a vacuum to be filled in with something else, whether it be state, a corporate monopoly, a Chicom Presidium or a despotic tyrant. The United States government, along with governments around the world, have raised hundreds of billions in capital to build the broadband infrastructure that has all but become a public utility in modern day life. Holding out hope that the free market will conjure hundreds of billions of capital for a competing parallel network is far more idealistic than thinking that laws could be passed forcing large corporations to, in certain circumstances, act in the public interest. It'd be more realistic to think Liam could topple Frog for control of the CG ship.

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As it stands, the biggest threat Google and Youtube ever faced in the United States was in the early 2010s when they went to war with the Big Telecommunication firms (a rival oligarchy) over the threat of abolishing "net neutrality", This was framed to the plebs as telecoms making internet users pay a toll bridge for accessing certain sites but in reality was preventing the telecoms from charging Youtube, Netflix and Google a toll to access internet users. President Obama personally campaigned for net neutrality, Google won the day, and Obama was rewarded with a 9 figure deal for a Netflix documentary once his terms ended.

True. This BTW is where American SJWs gets in on other countries entertainment. Pipeline distribution.