Contained Opposition

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The guy in this video puts out a theory of what he calls contained opposition (rather than controlled). The idea being that in a liberal democracy, people protest, the government allows it, or even supports it (he gives a couple examples like Biden and Trudeau). But the protest has no effect, and the government doesn't listen to the people.

I think he has some good points in this video. Although it does make it hard to take anything seriously in this , because of the obvious bias, this guy has towards some kind of a leftist commie perspective. He definitely seems like the type that buys into "mostly peaceful protests" meanwhile there is a building on fire in the background.

Nonetheless I think it's a good thing to not stay stuck inside an echo chamber and listen to what the other side says, because rarely is one person always going to be right. And sometimes the other side has a point.

Back to what he says in the video. I think there is truth behind the premise. That allowing protest in our liberal democracy is really just a form of pacification, rather than any kind of threat.
 
The guy in this video puts out a theory of what he calls contained opposition (rather than controlled). The idea being that in a liberal democracy, people protest, the government allows it, or even supports it (he gives a couple examples like Biden and Trudeau). But the protest has no effect, and the government doesn't listen to the people.
Sounds like The System's Neatest Trick as described by Ted Kaczynski:
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Back to what he says in the video. I think there is truth behind the premise. That allowing protest in our liberal democracy is really just a form of pacification, rather than any kind of threat.
I respect the idea here, but at least with my gut check, I fear this is one of those ideas that can't really have anything done with it. Time to use the table formatting!
Corrupt Government"""""Honest""""" Government
Stop the Protest?Bad idea, leads to unrest.Bad idea, leads to unrest.
Allow Protest?Good idea, lets them feel heard.Good idea, lets them feel heard.

It's not the Prisoner's Dilemma, but you enter into a similar kind of game theory problem whereby proper play naturally guides both good and evil players to the same conclusions. The only exception here is if this is China where there's no expectation of a protest being tolerated in the first place, and even then Tianenmen Square still bit China in the ass for a long time given the palpable issues there.

Realistically, if this is some wannabe breadtuber, 75% of this is rage against his own impotence. The left fundamentally lost their understanding of how classically liberal societies culturally function and they're "losing the debate," by and large as a result. So when a libshit protest happens, they don't understand they're the 20 on an 80/20 issue and confuse the general dislike of them meaning nothing is achievable as protests themselves being ineffective because results weren't achieved. They've got cause and effect swapped around on this.

But what of the 25%? Well... he's uselessly right. Classically liberal countries, even if they've declined massively from that ideal, do all understand the feelings of free speech and that it's a good thing. Protests are the most obvious and institutional expression of that, so it makes sense that if you're a cabal of Emmanuel Macron, Keir Starmer, and Woodrow Wilson in the same room plotting to contain the opposition, you want to have feckless protests as a pressure valve. This is where he's right, but I tap the table above for why this is useless to focus on. This is true regardless of who's in power right now or whether government's gone truly sour or not. Protests innately have a pressure release aspect to them, so naturally an amoral, not immoral, player-of-the-game will want to employ this useful tool, and pointing this out just doesn't really lead to anything else you can do with the idea.

It's not a trick, it's not some magic voodoo spell, it's quite literally basic bitch politics in a Western nation. Man just rediscovered classical liberal theory and is doing a soyjak face while pointing at it. I know this because the neat trick basically works until it doesn't. Protests, in addition to being pressure release valves, are also trying to be bellweathers for what "the culture" wants. I say trying to be because modern leftist protests, having been exposed as ridiculously bought and paid for, do not represent this and the general apathy to their demands turning into contempt is evidence of that. Meanwhile if we try to cart out where Trump's rise came from, you can draw a pretty direct line from MAGA to the Tea Party, and from there you can find various protest votes and responses in Ross Perot or Barry Goldwater in addition to the more right wing aspects of Occupy Wall Street before that turned into a complete leftoid cock-up and burned itself out. So if OP's vidya guy here had a proper grasp of political history, he'd realize that contained opposition is basically like a contained forest fire. It is until it isn't.
 
The most effective function of protests are to annoy the government enough to do something about it, whether it is crushing the protest or addressing its concerns. There can be then no "peaceful" protests as the government can just turn a blind cheek unless you annoy them by force, far more than one should. Besides that, protests today just serve globohomo. Look at the LA protests, people gathering up together just for the rights of migrants to come in and shit all over America. OP's YouTuber probably supports them too. We could have a thread on that cognitive dissonance, but going back to the OP, yes protests are controlled opposition.
 
That allowing protest in our liberal democracy is really just a form of pacification, rather than any kind of threat.
Protests in the U.S. are done to register voters, raise funds for political parties and sway public opinion. And, depending on the political context, and how they are organized, they can be extremely effective. The revolutions of 1989, which brought down the Soviet Union, were largely just mass protests. Communists/Leftists are typically skeptical of protests because they have a schizophrenic belief that every protest is some sort of foreign intelligence op. I wouldn't take their beliefs on them at face value.
 
Care to reproduce it in your words?
I basically did in the description below it. Just cutting out a lot of the description, and examples. Unless you mean something else.

But what of the 25%? Well... he's uselessly right. Classically liberal countries, even if they've declined massively from that ideal, do all understand the feelings of free speech and that it's a good thing. Protests are the most obvious and institutional expression of that, so it makes sense that if you're a cabal of Emmanuel Macron, Keir Starmer, and Woodrow Wilson in the same room plotting to contain the opposition, you want to have feckless protests as a pressure valve. This is where he's right, but I tap the table above for why this is useless to focus on. This is true regardless of who's in power right now or whether government's gone truly sour or not. Protests innately have a pressure release aspect to them, so naturally an amoral, not immoral, player-of-the-game will want to employ this useful tool, and pointing this out just doesn't really lead to anything else you can do with the idea.
I think this is a good point.

I've adopted the policy where if I see or hear anything leftist, anything socialist, anything communist, I immediately associate it with economic flat-earthism and disregard the individual entirely.

Literally nothing beneficial comes from interacting with people who believe in that shit.
I think it's important that people are willing to listen to ideas they don't like. In my opinion, the left's complete lack of the ability to do that, is why they are currently seeing the decline they are. They created their echo chambers, and pushed out any descent, or stifled even people on their side, that didn't completely agree with the party line. I think the right will do well to take a lesson from that. Rather than repeating what the left spent the last 10 years doing, but this time the conservative version.

I think it's a good exercise to understand why the people I disagree with believe what they do, and what they believe. Even if I think they're a commie retard, and they are full of shit.
 
Sounds like The System's Neatest Trick as described by Ted Kaczynski:
Sounds like we're all slaves, and that we've all created our master. Sustain our master. And obey our master.

Well this shitty master is hostile to whites, which ppl of North european descent are the face of. This shitty master is not going to take civilization to its summit, it's going to make brazil as we foolishly let low raw intelligence populations have access to tech that causes population explosions. You need a high enough raw average intelligence to produce the geniuses required to create that tech, and we foolishly handed that to dummies, hence why most of the global south are straight up bio-weapons.

We should have forced eugenics on them instead, make the dummies cuck out to the multi-generational upper-class (probably has a different genotype thus different bell curve).

usually it's not necessary to actually exert control.
We can discuss ideas and action. But "whites" aren't allowed to seriously organize ourselves and properly challenge the establishment. We are oppressed in that sense and outsiders don't understand that as they think we're just weak cucks. We have been brainwashed. We have been socially engineered. Most are a bitch to power regardless of how intelligent they are. We're herd animals, and obedience to an authority backed by power is an exploit that works on any population.

I hope Israelis don't still believe that holocaust victims were "weak". Because basic human nature was just exploited and "herd control" works on everyone weak or strong. If you aren't a niggercattle, then you're probably the type that just wants to be left alone, and only a small minority are mavericks doing something serious about it.
 
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