Containment Thread for Russia-Ukraine faggots to bitch about whose shambolic corrupt society is better than the other's

[Overly Serious]

As for not calling it an occupation, what would happen if, for example, Germany wanted out of NATO and wanted the Americans off their land? Would they just, you know, pick up and leave?

Same thing that happened in the USA when the people voted in the wrong president. Request refused and told the vote was something other than it was. Same thing that happened when Venezuela wanted their gold reserves repatriated from the UK. Request refused and told they're not the legitimate government. Same thing as happened when the citizens of the Ukraine voted in a leader who didn't want to go all in with the EU, NATO and cancel the treaty that allowed Russia to use Sevastopol naval base - government declared illegitimate.

A government is only legitimate if it does what the USA and UK want. If it doesn't then it's illegitimate, influenced by so and so, rigged election, whatever. The US and UK leaders think they know best for their own people, it's absurd to think that they don't think it even more so of foreigners.

If the German govt. suddenly and unexpectedly said "we withdraw from NATO, get out" and literally mobilised its forces to escort the USA out, then 50/50 the US might actually leave with a lot of grumbling. But they'd equally likely send in MORE troops and tell the German govt. they were illegitimate, that a coup or treason had been declared and the US had to liberate the German people. And besides, it's not a realistic scenario that it would happen out of the blue. There'd have to be a growing movement pushing for it that gained political power and the moment that started happening, you'd see NGOs and CIA activity in Germany laying the groundwork for a colour revolution and something akin to the Maidan revolts. And the US troops would be there all during this ready to "help keep peace".

Germany is occupied. Europe is occupied. The UK is occupied. Mind you, the UK likes it.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I thank the democratic party for the confidence and the gibs, i need it to pay the enormous energy bill so i dont freeze to death

The UK screwed itself by leaving the EU, so lets leave that clusterfuck out. The US? Well, they for sure are benefiting from this due to LNG and the MIC. But they warned for the Russian invasion, russian influence and the EUs dependence on russian energy. Turns out they were pretty much right? This is not some illuminaty super jewish plan, its just the natural consequence of Russia invading Ukraine and the western response where the dependence on russian energy cripples the EU short term due to ignorance, naivity and a dose of corruption

No idea? Dont think Germany would want that, but its an open question. There are tens of nations besides Germany and multiple scenarios. I dont think most europeans think of the US bases as an occupation, more of a cold war legacy that once again proved its importance once Russian aggression went through Europe once again

It's still an occupation, just one that the local population has gotten used to. It's not just Europe either, look at South Korea and Japan for example.

As to whether the UK is occupied or part of the occupiers, who knows. There's definitely some kind of incestuous relationship between them, the US, and the rest of the Commonwealth. History books are going to have a difficult time explaining it. Some memorable imagery, though.

Occupied London, circa 2022.

 

[Suck the Cock]

Same thing that happened in the USA when the people voted in the wrong president. Request refused and told the vote was something other than it was. Same thing that happened when Venezuela wanted their gold reserves repatriated from the UK. Request refused and told they're not the legitimate government. Same thing as happened when the citizens of the Ukraine voted in a leader who didn't want to go all in with the EU, NATO and cancel the treaty that allowed Russia to use Sevastopol naval base - government declared illegitimate.

A government is only legitimate if it does what the USA and UK want. If it doesn't then it's illegitimate, influenced by so and so, rigged election, whatever. The US and UK leaders think they know best for their own people, it's absurd to think that they don't think it even more so of foreigners.

If the German govt. suddenly and unexpectedly said "we withdraw from NATO, get out" and literally mobilised its forces to escort the USA out, then 50/50 the US might actually leave with a lot of grumbling. But they'd equally likely send in MORE troops and tell the German govt. they were illegitimate, that a coup or treason had been declared and the US had to liberate the German people. And besides, it's not a realistic scenario that it would happen out of the blue. There'd have to be a growing movement pushing for it that gained political power and the moment that started happening, you'd see NGOs and CIA activity in Germany laying the groundwork for a colour revolution and something akin to the Maidan revolts. And the US troops would be there all during this ready to "help keep peace".

Germany is occupied. Europe is occupied. The UK is occupied. Mind you, the UK likes it.

I always find the logic of a conspiracy theorist so fascinating. Are you, somehow, arguing that "the US" conspired to oust the current US president? Or that the entire continent of Europe is being bullied into submission by a country with half the population an ocean away?

...why? And this applies to both why they would do this and why you believe it.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

As for not calling it an occupation, what would happen if, for example, Germany wanted out of NATO and wanted the Americans off their land? Would they just, you know, pick up and leave?

We already have a real world example to know that won’t happen: Guantanamo bay in Cuba. Every year we try to pay them “rent” for letting us lease their land. Every year they tell us to fuck off and we respond with something along the lines of “thank you for letting us continue to lease your land”

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

We already have a real world example to know that won’t happen: Guantanamo bay in Cuba. Every year we try to pay them “rent” for letting us lease their land. Every year they tell us to fuck off and we respond with something along the lines of “thank you for letting us continue to lease your land”

Can't imagine the average Cuban person is very happy about the Guantanamo situation either. Not like the Cubans can do much about it there, unlike the Germans who can get organized pretty quick once they get off their asses.

German kiwis, what's the overall sentiment about American troops there right now?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We already have a real world example to know that won’t happen: Guantanamo bay in Cuba. Every year we try to pay them “rent” for letting us lease their land. Every year they tell us to fuck off and we respond with something along the lines of “thank you for letting us continue to lease your land”

That's not comparable, the US secured a lease way before Castro was even born; Germany, afaik, did not have a similar arrangement with the Third Reich, Weimar or Imperial Germany.

 

[Overly Serious]

I always find the logic of a conspiracy theorist so fascinating. Are you, somehow, arguing that "the US" conspired to oust the current US president?

Previous one, not Biden. But assuming you just mistyped yes, I am. The political entity that is the United States is comprised by wealthy interests and their bought and paid for officials, an entrenched bureaucracy which like all bureaucracies seeks to increase its size, an intelligence community that has been granted legal licence to act against its own citizenry, a Military Industrial Complex funded to the tune of $800 billion per annum on the books; and the electorate. Of these loosely defined entities, all of them are willing to act against the electorate in both individual and coordinated fashion. And yes, that's a conspiracy by definition, though a rather transparent one. So again yes, the US can and has acted against its own president to the degree that the electorate unexpectedly manage to get one in that represents them.

Self-interest occurs first. Public rationale is layered over that. In most cases.

Or that the entire continent of Europe is being bullied into submission by a country with half the population an ocean away?

Bullied and bought.

You can lead a bull around with very little pressure if you're grabbing it by the testicles. European political leaders are a bunch of testicles. And I find the analogy quite apposite.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Russia is so glorious and white, did you know that it has to kiss the ass of sandniggers for shitty suicide drones?
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> why put up the flag of an allied nation there when this would make a great spot for a George Floyd mural and a Walmart?

Behold, the spiritual leaders of White America

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

That's not comparable, the US secured a lease way before Castro was even born; Germany, afaik, did not have a similar arrangement with the Third Reich, Weimar or Imperial Germany.

That whole island is American property and the natives should cram it.

 

[Fools Idol]

I've been to a collapsing western nation within the last few months, yes.

Care to tell me which "collapsing western nation" you visited? I'm sure the inhabitants of that nation would love to hear it.

So you're occupied by a foreign military, but because they're not Russian and they produce the same cultural goyslop that you consumed while growing up, you're okay with it. Got it.

Again, this inability to understand what friendly, willing and mutual cooperation looks like speaks more about you and whatever shithole you where born in, which I'm assuming is Russia. Here some food for thought, back during the Vietnam War Western Europe was largely absent. France once left NATO for 15 years. The UK and France both developed nuclear weapons without the US's consent. When Argentina invaded the Falklands the US would have preferred that the UK just gave the islands up. How could this US tolerate all this disobedience? Maybe it because this weird master/slave shit only exists in your head.

Yet they somehow got all of Europe hooked on Russian oil. Or rather, the Americans encouraged it, as long as Europe doesn't develop their own energy sources.

No? The UK imports basically no Russian oil, France imports more but it's like 10% at most. In fact the French are one of the most secure nations in the EU when it comes to energy. Oh and America has warned Europe multiple times since the Reagan era about Russian oil and gas.

You can be as gay as you want to in Moscow. That's what "western values" mean 99% of the time. Nobody cares as long as you're "practicing western values" in the bedroom, not holding parades for it, and not advertising it to children.

Ah yes the Russian obsession with homosexuality. You didn't really answer my question, so I'll ask it a different way. How free are you, could you treat Vladimir Putin like say the way Trump was treated? Will Stasi whisk you away for it? If not, then go outside and film your freedom in Moscow for me.

Look, it thinks it's civilized.

Well that brings up an interesting question doesn't it, what do you think civilization is? Now before you answer I want you to think about Russia's HIV and drug epidemic, about Russia's abortion rate, ect.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Care to tell me which "collapsing western nation" you visited? I'm sure the inhabitants of that nation would love to hear it.

It's called "Land of Mind Your Own Business, Pleb"

Again, this inability to understand what friendly, willing and mutual cooperation looks like speaks more about you and whatever shithole you where born in, which I'm assuming is Russia. Here some food for thought, back during the Vietnam War Western Europe was largely absent. France once left NATO for 15 years. The UK and France both developed nuclear weapons without the US's consent. When Argentina invaded the Falklands the US would have preferred that the UK just gave the islands up. How could this US tolerate all this disobedience? Maybe it because this weird master/slave shit only exists in your head.

Cattle also thinks that they have a friendly relationship with the farmer because he protects them from wolves. Even though the farmer only does it so he can slaughter them when they grow too fat. Farmer doesn't care if cattle argue amongst themselves as long as he can still harvest them at the end of the season.

No? The UK imports basically no Russian oil, France imports more but it's like 10% at most. In fact the French are one of the most secure nations in the EU when it comes to energy. Oh and America has warned Europe multiple times since the Reagan era about Russian oil and gas.

You neglected to count all the backchannels through which they all imported Russian oil and gas. Just look at the current sad state of Europe without Russian oil and gas if you need any proof.

Ah yes the Russian obsession with homosexuality. You didn't really answer my question, so I'll ask it a different way. How free are you, could you treat Vladimir Putin like say the way Trump was treated? Will Stasi whisk you away for it? If not, then go outside and film your freedom in Moscow for me.

Obsession with homosexuality? I only mentioned it because you brought up "western values" first.

Well that brings up an interesting question doesn't it, what do you think civilization is? Now before you answer I want you to think about Russia's HIV and drug epidemic, about Russia's abortion rate, ect.

Civilization means not worshipping niggers, pedophiles, and the mentally ill.

Also, can we discuss some more about those mythical "western values" that everyone in Europe is dying to protect? What exactly are they, considering current year? Other than homosexuality and pedophilia, of course.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Other than homosexuality and pedophilia, of course.

Russia is the second largest producer of child pornography in the world.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Russia is the second largest producer of child pornography in the world.

America is the first largest consumer AND producer, what's your point?

 

[Fools Idol]

Can we discuss some more about those mythical "western values" that everyone in Europe is dying to protect? What exactly are they, considering current year? Other than homosexuality and pedophilia, of course.

What is with you people and obsessing over fags? Really puts the master/salve shit you imagine NATO to be into some context. No one in Europe is dying to protect anything, other than Ukrainians of course. Who are they fighting again?

Can we discuss some more about those mythical "Russian values" that everyone in Russian is dying to protect? What exactly are they, considering current year? Other than homosexuality (homo rape in the army) and pedophilia (Russia makes more CP than anyone in Europe), of course.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

What is with you people and obsessing over fags? Really puts the master/salve shit you imagine NATO to be into some context. No one in Europe is dying to protect anything, other than Ukrainians of course. Who are they fighting again?

Can we discuss some more about those mythical "Russian values" that everyone in Russian is dying to protect? What exactly are they, considering current year? Other than homosexuality (homo rape in the army) and pedophilia (Russia makes more CP than anyone in Europe), of course.

No, you're not weaseling out of this one.

What are those "western values" that you claim you are unable to practice in Russia?

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Damn, that's how you can tell the HIV+ community has reached critical mass in the US. Faggotry and pedophilia go hand-in-hand.

I could bring up statistics about PrEP usage in the US gay community which should shed some light on the HIV+ situation there, but I think everyone knows how bad it is anyway.

Still curious about what "western values" are in 2022. Anyone knows?

Freedom to post this meme

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Could argue that Null didn't exactly have an easy time getting the farms hosted by US-based companies, only because he offended a member of the protected class.

 

[Fools Idol]

No, you're not weaseling out of this one.

What are those "western values" that you claim you are unable to practice in Russia?

Okay. Simply just Freedom™ , it isn't without limits of course but compared to Russia I might as well be a bald eagle. Now you might disagree and I'm sure you've got some image saved from /pol/ or wherever but that's what I believe.

So, tell me the Russian values that you claim you makes you different and most importantly better than me or the West? Remember, before you start talking about HIV and CP, Russia isn't winning any awards for those either. Well non you'd want anyway.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

I could bring up statistics about PrEP usage in the US gay community which should shed some light on the HIV+ situation there, but I think everyone knows how bad it is anyway.

Still curious about what "western values" are in 2022. Anyone knows?

I am being entirely serious, by the way. Kiwifarms is blocked in Russia.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/roskomnadzor-blocks-kiwifarms-net.97751/

Like it or not, the West has greater freedom of speech.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Okay. Simply just Freedom™ , it isn't without limits of course but compared to Russia I might as well be a bald eagle. Now you might disagree and I'm sure you've got some image saved from /pol/ or wherever but that's what I believe.

So, tell me the Russian values that you claim you makes you different and most importantly better than me or the West? Remember, before you start talking about HIV and CP, Russia isn't winning any awards for those either. Well non you'd want anyway.

What freedoms did Putin take from you, retard? You can't even define "western values" but you think all Ukrainians need to die to defend them.

I am being entirely serious, by the way. Kiwifarms is blocked in Russia.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/roskomnadzor-blocks-kiwifarms-net.97751/

Like it or not, the West has greater freedom of speech.

You know no one takes Roskomnadzor seriously and just ignores their shit, right? West had so much freedom of speech that you can't publicly define what a woman is, and questioning it will literally get the cops coming to your door in certain backwater shitholes like the UK.

 

[siegemeister675]

No, you're not weaseling out of this one.

What are those "western values" that you claim you are unable to practice in Russia?

Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, right to a fair trial.

I could bring up statistics about PrEP usage in the US gay community which should shed some light on the HIV+ situation there, but I think everyone knows how bad it is anyway.

Still curious about what "western values" are in 2022. Anyone knows?


Could argue that Null didn't exactly have an easy time getting the farms hosted by US-based companies, only because he offended a member of the protected class.

it's literally hosted by a US-based company called Fiber Hub genius