ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

And he never will. Once the Breadtube dollars dry up, and the sexual thrill of being a trap wears off, Nat will go back to being Nyk, drop off the map, then resurface under whatever ID is in vogue and lines up with his getting his dick hard.

Nyk is a millionaire, he won't be running out of money any time soon, unless he does something really stupid like buying himself lots of real estate all over the world like a lot of celebrities do, that they are later forced to sell at a loss when their marketability starts running out. I don't think Nyk will ever detransition and I believe he's serious about getting the snip.

Isn't there like only a small minority that actually gets bottom surgery? Like most trans people don't mention it, but it seems widely agreed upon that mutilating themselves and getting a permanent gaping wound that has to be constantly dilated is a bridge too far

The reason why only a minority get the snip is not just because a lot of these trenders are just trans-LARPing with no real commitment to go through a full transition, it's also because 1) in countries where there is gatekeeping you have to be a diagnosed dysphoric to get the snip covered by insurance and 2) in countries like the US where the surgery is commercially available at privately run gender clinics, you still need a referral from someone who has diagnosed you with GD, and the procedure is quite expensive on the free market (read this Quora post for price comparisons). Nyk is rich so he can easily pay for bottom surgery, he can also easily get a referral (gender specialists hand them out like hot cakes, otherwise he can tap into his dad's "connections"). I think it's taking Nyk some time to get the snip because he's probably going to see one of the top SRS surgeons who have a long waiting times, like Bowers (3 years) or McGinn (2 years). There is nothing standing in the way of someone like Nyk getting SRSs. (Except fear perhaps, he seemed quite terrified at the prospect of getting FFS if that The Darkeness video was anything to go by, also looking at his subsequent statements about how he was up all night the day before the surgery.)

There's also Nyk's public admission from the deleted Livestream with Milo Steward that he never got himself diagnosed with GD before he went the informed consent route. I suspect this is the main reason Nyk finally decided to see a therapist, to get the ball rolling on getting that referral he needs for the SRS. The catch here is that Nyk only went to see a therapist after two years of HRT and after FFS, so how the fuck is that therapist ever going to dispute his LARP? That therapist has only seen Nyk as a feminine presenting transwoman. He never saw Nyk as the fucked up drug addict alcoholic who ordered HRT from the darkweb only to end up at an informed consent clinic thanks to his new-found Patreon wealth. If that person, that 2017 person, had walked into the therapist's office from the start, the therapist might have even turned down Nyk, also taking his psychiatric history into account. Nyk deliberately made sure he only walked into a therapist's office almost two years into his transition, because "first impressions are lasting impressions" and Nyk knows that. If the therapist's first impression of Nyk as a trannie is of a post-FFS already thoroughly feminized Nyk, that therapist will be more likely to go along with the LARP than a therapist who had seen Nyk as a man from the start. It's all very sneaky and calculated on Nyk's part, I am sure.

Another thing that Bailey and Blanchard have talked about is that HSTSs are reluctant to get SRS whereas AGPs want to get it as soon as possible. HSTSs don't put as much emphasis on having a neovag as AGPs do. For AGPs getting a neovag is the crowning achievement proving that they are a true and honest woman because they are fetishists who fetishize female genitals (given that they are already intimately familiar with vaginas as straight men). On the other hands HSTSs present as women because they want the straight boy, they don't want the neovag per se (since they are gay boys who are not familiar with vaginas at all and probably find them gross anyway).

A video by a so-called 'Enby' calling out the Buck Angel thing....

Oh, it's Korviday again. What happened to their other video about Nyk getting cancelled by the cult? Did they delete it?
 
(given that they are already intimately familiar with vaginas as straight men)
intimately familiar with vaginas

Lol

I'd also like to add that plenty of non-virgin straight men aren't familiar with female anatomy at all, in textbooks or in practice. This is why men have been tricked by post-op MTFs and only afterwards have they thought something wasn't "right" when they realized how loose it was.
 
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Here's another SJW environmentalist idiot who calls out Jeffree Star for being a consumerist millionaire but then presents Nyk as if he's the alternative to Jeffree:


When you can barely afford food, you are not that excited to watch someone just waste money away on Gucci products. It's just not fun. Kinda makes you angry. And shout out to the latest ContraPoints video on pointing that out. Can y'all do me a favour and just go over to Natalie's channel. Go over to ContraPoints and just spam her, letting her know that I love her. And I want her to know who I am, basically. I want her to know that I exist and that my videos exist. I want Natalie to notice me. Is that too much to ask?

God, the fawning fangirl ignorance on display here. Do you enjoy watching Nyk waste his money away on Maskenzauber wigs ($100-800 per wig)? Do you enjoy watching Nyk waste his money away on designer clothes? Do you enjoy watching Nyk waste his money on surgery he doesn't need? Do you enjoy watching Nyk go on transatlantic fucktrips with Oliver after every fucking video? The only reason Nyk hates Jeffree is because Nyk wants to be a Jeffree himself.

As for all the bullshit in this video about carbon footprints, hello hypocrite, this Youtuber was once a flight attendant for the UAE airline, so I can imagine how big her own carbon footprint is from all those flights she air-hosted. How the fuck can you complain about this shit when you yourself earned a living from airtravel? The lack of self-reflection and hypocrisy here is just amazing, but that's what we have come expect from these SJWs.

The difference between Nyk and Jeffree is that Jeffree is a real rags-to-riches story of a succesful gay businessman (and all he does is sell paint for your face, the only reason he is succesful is because y'all want to wear his branded paint on your face), whereas Nyk was already born with a silver spoon in his mouth, wasted all of the opportunities given to him on a silver platter by his middle class parents by becoming a reckless alcoholic and drug addict, and only went LGBT when it was cool and financially safe/expedient for him to do so. Nyk is an example of spoiled middle class kids being thankless and reckless with the opportunities earned for them and given to them by their parents, and nevertheless being awarded for their selfish recklessness by a system that is designed to award such cheaters, which is what Nyk is.

Nyk shows up in this dumbass' comment section to do a Jeffree impersonation and of course she's immediately starstruck like the SJW cult-member she is:

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Meanwhile in contra's sub

I already knew about /r/ContraPoints' anti-transmedicalist policy because his moderators made sure everyone knew just how anti-transmedicalist they are long before the recent tiffy about Buck Angel. The smearjobs against transmedicalists on Reddit got so bad that recently /r/truscum have started a thread to track their members being preemtively banned/shunned across Reddit. It's a good think they were made aware of these attempts to shut them up and down. The SJWs want to censor the transmedicalists because they allow realtalk such as this:

r/traa is literally so creepy and full of trenders

Literally setting your transition goal to be an anime girl or boy is so fucking ridiculous and cringy. I feel like most of them have some sort of peter pan syndrome where they refuse to grow up and talk like civil adults, they just want to be overly sexualised anime school boys and girls. What's creepy is that the people that wish to be anime girls are literally in their late 20s and 30s. I get it that you didn't get to live your childhood as the gender you wanted to be but my god are they creepy, and I feel like you can't justify their actions by saying that. It's clearly just a fetish

bitchmittz 45 points

The childishness you mentioned really bothers me. I've seen cis people defending this, saying it's normal for trans people to go through obnoxious phases and act half their age because they're basically going through puberty again. Right. This pisses me off because it really infantalizes trans people. I don't want to be looked at like I'm a massive manbaby. Going through puberty at age 20 is very different than going through it at age 12 and it does not excuse or explain the weird childish behavior whatsoever. When I want to relive my childhood, I play pokemon or something for a few hours. I don't act like an uwu anime character in public.

Elolzabeth1 72 points

Yeah I totally agree with this. At my therapists last appointment he made an offhand comment that I was his first trans patient who didn't have a "child phase." It's really scary how these people try to recreate a childhood, once you're an adult you have to not do that, or if you do at least keep it in your own home.

I'd also like to add that plenty of non-virgin straight men aren't familiar with female anatomy at all, in textbooks or in practice. This is why men have been tricked by post-op MTFs and only afterwards have they thought something wasn't "right" when they realized how loose it was.

We already know that Nyk knows shit about vaginal anatomy from his shockingly ignorant comments on that Livestream with Blaire and from his admission that he had abstinence-only sex ed in school.
 
So wasting money away on Gucci is bad, but wasting money on $1,255 dresses from Roberto Cavalli is alright according to this "Notice me sempai" gal? Got it.

I don't really care about Jeffree Star or watching rich people waste their money on brands and other mindless junk in general, but his online brand never revolved around how having cash and displaying your financial prosperity is bad which automatically puts him on a level above Nicholas in my book.
 
Lol

I'd also like to add that plenty of non-virgin straight men aren't familiar with female anatomy at all, in textbooks or in practice. This is why men have been tricked by post-op MTFs and only afterwards have they thought something wasn't "right" when they realized how loose it was.

I agree. The number of people in general who think women piss out of their vaginas is astounding.
 
Love or hate Jeffree Star, he is an infinitely more entertaining and interesting person to watch than Nyk.

Plus, it's been on record that Star has donated significant amounts of money to charities. I really couldn't care less that he spends his money on expensive shit. Materialistic? Sure. But I don't care how he spends his money. He certainly isn't "influencing" me to go out and overspend, because I have a functioning brain, kthx.

I mean, shouldn't they be happy that someone from the LGBT is one of the most successful public figures on the internet? I swear that you can never please these people.
 
I mean, shouldn't they be happy that someone from the LGBT is one of the most successful public figures on the internet? I swear that you can never please these people.

NPCs live by the "crabs in a bucket" mentality, especially troons. Once they see one of their own making mad bank while they e-beg for rent because their chopped cocks somehow prevent them from working (and certainly not their laziness!), then they get super jealous and start trying to cancel them.
 
NPCs live by the "crabs in a bucket" mentality, especially troons. Once they see one of their own making mad bank while they e-beg for rent because their chopped cocks somehow prevent them from working (and certainly not their laziness!), then they get super jealous and start trying to cancel them.

Why can't they just try harder and produce better content to compete?

Oh. Right. They don't have the drive, charisma, intelligence, or talent to pull that off.

Again, say what you will about Jeffree Star ... But I think that the business side of him is impressive. He's very smart in that retrospect, and I respect that. He recently helped Shane Dawson with his merch store (that opened this week). The products, while not my taste (and I don't plan on getting anything of course), look like quality ... And the cohesive branding of all of the products is pretty ace. Especially when compared to other YouTuber merch stores.

I don't think that someone like Nyk could ever be that smart or driven. Internet panhandling and playing the victim are the only things that come naturally to him.
 
I already knew about /r/ContraPoints' anti-transmedicalist policy because his moderators made sure everyone knew just how anti-transmedicalist they are long before the recent tiffy about Buck Angel. The smearjobs against transmedicalists on Reddit got so bad that recently /r/truscum have started a thread to track their members being preemtively banned/shunned across Reddit. It's a good think they were made aware of these attempts to shut them up and down. The SJWs want to censor the transmedicalists because they allow realtalk such as this.
"reeeeee you can't tell me I'm not allowed to have something. that's literal Nazism"

Most of these people are probably in their 20s-30s and were raised by Gen X parents. One thing I've noticed about Gen X'ers is that they try to be their kids friends and are extremely reluctant to punish them. It's no surprise that their offspring would be pulling this shit.

The consequences of terrible parenting have morphed into a political movement.
 
The Distributist, a Catholic Youtuber that Nyk has debated in the past, is shortly going to do a Livestream about Nyk titled The Cult of ContraPoints (End of a Era, part 3)


I am not familiar with his series at all so I am providing these links blindly in case anyone is interested:

The Eras of YouTube (End of an Era, part 1)
First part of the series over-viewing the eras of YouTube.

The Archetype of Peterson (End of and Era, part 2)

I think the question that naturally comes about is: who is Jordan Peterson's opposite? Not the purveyor of old wisdom we need, who can't seem to function in post-modernity, but instead a figure that everyone wanted to appear. A figure that breathes post-modernity like air and embodies everything it desires but simultaneously is disconnected from anything that might be called wisdom or even a coherent solution. And in my mind, this inverted archetype is no better filled than in the Youtube sensation ContraPoints.

LMAO, Nyk's moderators deleting all the threads about Buck Angel while banning the word "truscum" from being uttered on /r/ContraPoints just got a mention in this video:


He's sorry that the threads about Buck Angel got banned.
Sorry buddy, can't have real discussions about Nyk's Youtube content on /r/ContraPoints.
You can post some more hardcore Natalie Mars tweets if you want.

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The comments underneath Gutian's video from Nyk's stans (realizing Nyk the Youtube Superstar Trannie is no longer who the underemployed PhD dropout mentally ill alcoholic they could once easily relate to) are the best: "Contrapoints has gone from making me feel comfortable and patient with myself every time I watch her to feeling uncomfortable and impatient with myself every time I even hear her name."

I don’t like Contrapoints anymore.

I’m tired of the fights that flare up around her. I’m tired of what seems like an endless torrent of sex jokes. I’m tired of her videos humanizing characters meant to represent awful ideas. I’m tired of her lacking commitment to anything that’s not making a cool video with fancy makeup and pretty lighting. I’m tired of her complete lack of knowledge of her modern place.

She claims she’s here to deradicalize cis dudes, but she doesn’t want to accept the responsibility that comes with being the trans community, especially trans women’s, first true introduction for these guys. I really think she needs to either start fixing these things or stop positioning herself the way she is now.

THANK YOU
She was an icon in storytelling and explaining subjects in a unique way.
But now every second video seems to be badly thought through concepts thinly disguised with a layer of glitter.
Her costumes are becoming moving wallpaper.

I used to really enjoy her content, but as I grew and learned more I started seeing more things that had me concerned in her work. She has said in the past she can only speak for herself and that's true and she shouldn't have to speak for anyone else, the fact is that her largely cis audience DO see her as a spokesperson for trans people, especially trans women. Fair or not, that's the position she's in, she needs to accept that or step down.

I find it VERY concerning that she tells her cis audience that trans women used to be men and basically ARE functionally men until they pass, calling herself a transsexual (an outdated term, to put it lightly), saying that people who fetishize trans people are valid (this was on twitter, not a video), and they take it at face value. If that's how she feels about herself, fine, but most trans women I've encountered do NOT feel this way and it's one of the many things they and myself (not a trans women, but intersex with... complicated feelings.) find troubling about her.

It's clear that her insecurities color and shape her work, and for many of her cis audience, she's they're first exposure to any trans person, and I wouldn't want someone looking at me based off what they've learned from her.

I've been openly trans for 4 years, but have yet to start HRT and won't be starting HRT for some time and unfortunately, I don't pass unless I dump hours into makeup and clothing that I barely have, and that's not to mention that I have to put up a male front for a complicated (but temporary) living situation that I won't get into here.
Contrapoints has gone from making me feel comfortable and patient with myself every time I watch her to feeling uncomfortable and impatient with myself every time I even hear her name. She's just not the same to me anymore, and as much as I hate to say it, I think now that she passes beautifully, she's fucking stuck up. Don't get me wrong, Nat is beautiful. I've watched her evolve, and I'm so happy for her, but she's become full of herself. She used to be one of our strongest voices, and I happily called her "The Queen" along with everybody else, but now it makes my skin crawl. I still love Nat, but I think she's just become too good for us who can't or don't want to have expensive work done so we can fit into what society deems feminine, and that's sad.


The recent Contra drama (this and the Tweet Which Shall Not Be Named) has been very frustrating as a non-binary fan of her work. In her videos she seems to support NB people and wants to educate others about all the different stops on the gender spectrum, but through her tacit endorsements of "transmedicalists" and expressing frustration at others taking time to denote their pronouns, it kind of feels like she (in her private life) views existence as a non-binary, agender, or genderqueer person as just a pit stop on the way to one gender binary or the other. I mean, she went through a period of openly fluid gender expression before transitioning, so she doesn't have much reason (based on her own experience with gender) to believe otherwise. I guess as long as her videos continue to outwardly encourage a healthy look at gender identity I shouldn't complain, but it makes me feel a bit excluded.

Additionally, her politics are more obviously center-left than they have been before, or maybe I'm just slow on the uptake. I think her videos are good for bringing visibility to leftist policies to people who might not seek out those ideas on their own or are approaching from the center-right, but I think maybe a chunk of her viewership (myself included) needs to realize that her work is no longer for them anymore, be it a political spectrum issue or gender acceptance. I'm not a Tankie or anything, but her latest video sat a little uneasy for me with her very open admiration for the concept of wealth hoarding/opulence.

 
The Distributist, a Catholic Youtuber that Nyk has debated in the past, is shortly going to do a Livestream about Nyk titled The Cult of ContraPoints (End of a Era, part 3)


I am not familiar with his series at all so I am providing these links blindly in case anyone is interested:

The Eras of YouTube (End of an Era, part 1)
First part of the series over-viewing the eras of YouTube.

The Archetype of Peterson (End of and Era, part 2)



LMAO, Nyk's moderators deleting all the threads about Buck Angel while banning the word "truscum" from being uttered on /r/ContraPoints just got a mention in this video:


He's sorry that the threads about Buck Angel got banned.
Sorry buddy, can't have real discussions about Nyk's Youtube content on /r/ContraPoints.
You can post some more hardcore Natalie Mars tweets if you want.

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The comments underneath Gutian's video from Nyk's stans (realizing Nyk the Youtube Superstar Trannie is no longer who the underemployed PhD dropout mentally ill alcoholic they could once easily relate to) are the best: "Contrapoints has gone from making me feel comfortable and patient with myself every time I watch her to feeling uncomfortable and impatient with myself every time I even hear her name."

The distributist (who is probably one of my favorite political youtubers) has made a few videos on contrapoints two early in both of their careers:

And this debate over the first video:

The debate itself was pretty par for the course for contra with him being significantly lower energy then his videos and generally saying weird stuff like that couples can’t afford to have both parents take care of the kid which is the cause of single mother hood and not hook up culture or unsafe sex.

The really only interesting thing about the debate was the fact that contra was willing to debate at all. This was when he was known among skeptics as being the “rational” sjw who would actually talk to the right. It’s pretty obvious that it was just a ploy as now that he is popular contra doesn’t ever talk with his oppenents and just to puppet show straw men.


A video by a so-called 'Enby' calling out the Buck Angel thing....

Found this comment on the video:
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I find the idea of contra being accused of sending “reactionary”(?) dog whistles simultaneously funny and horrifying.
 
The Distributist, a Catholic Youtuber that Nyk has debated in the past, is shortly going to do a Livestream about Nyk titled The Cult of ContraPoints (End of a Era, part 3)

One more thing at 10:21 in the video The Distributist briefly discusses Nyx's pre-contra career as an atheist youtuber and mentions that he got this information from a "gossip website" which I assume is the farms.
 
One more thing at 10:21 in the video The Distributist briefly discusses Nyx's pre-contra career as an atheist youtuber and mentions that he got this information from a "gossip website" which I assume is the farms.

This part from The Distributist's new video is significant:

When Wynn started the ContraPoints channel, it more or less continued the same type of irreverent New Atheist and skeptic mood. Wynn's drag performance was intentionally hokey and unconvincing. It was played for laughs, for self deprecating humour - which is what most of the initial ContraPoints humour was based on.

While researching Jadis (who I also discovered is actually a ContraPoints fan, even as he criticizes Nyk for being a narcissist) I came across a video where he was reading from Saul Alinski's controversial 1971 book Rules For Radicals, and while reading the part on using humour to get unpalatable ideas across - which is a very apt description of what Nyk is doing on Youtube - Jadis mentioned the LGBT now demanding to not be the butt of jokes, which reminded me of Nyk's own deminishing sense of humour, his cult's almost non-existent sense of humour, one Nyk's favourite female comedians Sarah Silverman getting fired for past jokes (AFAIK Nyk never even said anything about that, as a "woman" comedian he wouldn't even get up and defend a "fellow" woman comedian, even and despite claiming Silverman as an influence) and Nyk's criticism of Dave Chappelle:

Quoting from the book: "On another level of communication, humour is essential for through humor much is accepted that would have been rejected if presented seriously."

Incidentally, that's actually a huge thing for the LGBT, because if not for
LGBT representation in comedy, it would have taken much longer for any progress. And the funny thing is, it has come to a point where they've progressed so much that now they are asking to not be the butt of jokes. But starting off as the butt of a joke actually is a way in.
 
"On another level of communication, humour is essential for through humor much is accepted that would have been rejected if presented seriously."
this is very relevant. earlier in this thread, I criticized Contrapoints' sophistry, the way he/she uses various tactics to distract from the holes and fallacies in their arguments. one of these is overall presentation, which I didn't address. if you watch any of these videos, you'll see that it's full of bells, whistles, and mirrors: high production values, costumes, antics, sexual innuendo, jokes, roleplaying, etc. this is designed for the reader to relax and let their guard down, so that they're more open to suggestion and persuasion, and less able to question and challenge what they're hearing. it's all very calculated.

while I'm at it, I'll refute another Contrapoint, because I can. at one point, he/she claimed that Latin America is considered separate from the West because of racism. this is simply incorrect. first, Latin America's status as part of the West is debated, some consider it a constituency, others see it as a related but separate region. there are multiple reasons for this:

1. greater wealth disparity and lack of social mobility, which has its roots in how land was administered historically
2. different political culture, with charismatic, strongmen leaders (caudillos) being the norm
3. greater survival of native american culture & heritage, especially compared to North America where it was nearly extirpated
4. largely unaffected by the Protestant Reformation, which made major impacts elsewhere in the West

these factors are more than sufficient to explain why Latin America has a somewhat distinct status compared to the West proper, none of which Contrapoints got into.
 
Lapis pka "Effeminate Degenerate" is a hardcore radical far left SJW trannie Youtuber, new on the scene,. who is seemingly a LeftTube junkie. His friend "NightinGem" is the kind of creature that Kalvin Garrah would devote a video to. They did a rather hilarious cringy Livestream together hate-stanning Nyk and the rest of BreadTube. All the usual suspects were brought up: Laurelai (who is a huge Nyk fan, he even tried to get Nyk to join a union for Youtubers back in the day), Peter Coffin is brought up, even Nyk's secret gay lover Oliver #nohomo is brought up. They also discuss the banning of the word "truscum". AFAIK, this is the only Livestream where SJWs themselves are coming to terms with Nyk's largesse and how this has alienated them from Nyk.


This segment was one of the stream highlights was when they realized that Nyk had posted a reaction to the Buck Angel drama on Patreon, and did a live reaction to his public statement. They're both starving SJWs and since neither of them actually has access to Nyk's Patreon account, a cult member with special access had to send them a DM of the statement, LMAO.

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The big gender reveal moment though was when Nyk's former Discord and Livestream chat moderator, Sabrina/Annoyance showed up in the chat and began dishing out information about Nyk's finances. (Though I don't think Sabrina has spoken to Nyk at any length about this since 2018, so I don't know how relevant her information is a year later.) Turns out Sabrina wasn't being completely honest about the real reasons behind her distancing herself from Nyk when she was answering questions about she was no longer his moderator on her Curious Cat account. Turns out that it was about the money afterall: Nyk had promised Sabrina payment for moderating his Discord server but never delivered. Sabrina also reached out to Nyk when she had some other financial difficulties, only to hit a brick wall.
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"We don't ever talk about money, that's how we all get along", LMAO, except when someone is a public figure Youtube millionaire who is using their money for political and cultural influence. Any public figure millionaire that donates money to an organization that advocates for mutilating children deserves to have their finances looked into.

Lapis did get another Livestream about Nyk yesterday, where yet another creature fit for a Kalvin Garrah video, a certain "Lily Machina / Bird Allergies", alleged that Nyk is being Patreon funded by a landlord and that there was some drama on his secret Discord (the one Sabrina was moderating) about Nyk receiving money from a landlord amongst his far left trannie cult-members (like Nyk would fucking know or care where his money is coming from, for all we know it could be a bunch of LGBT lobby groups funding Nyk through seemingly pseudonymous Patreon accounts without Nyk ever knowing who's behind those aliases):


Bird Allergies: I don't wanna speculate on her social life but she[Nyk] strikes me as someone who doesn't interact much with other trans and NB people beyond Twitter. She has allowed herself to become isolated and sort of invested in herself. Even back then, I remember, on the ContraPoints Discord, there was a whole thing... because basically, there was a situation where her Patrons, in the early days, the people on her Discord were her Patrons for the most part, and then some LGBTQ+ folks. It was kind of like a mix of folks. And I think after she came out as trans, there were a lot of transwomen in her Discord and a lot of leftists. And so what happened was, one of her Patrons was fully, like, a small-time landlord. And it created some problems because the new people in the Discord were not happy with the landlord who was one of her Patrons. And I think there has always been an issue of, who is ContraPoints serving. Is she going to talk about structural critique or is she going to talk about herself? Is she going to talk about capitalism? Is she going to overtly defend capitalism? I think the argument for opulence is OK, but when it's coming from her who might still be funded by a landlord, it's just like... and listen, we get money from, trans people gotta get paid also. It's a little funky.
OzmaInTheDark: They don't need to be paid by a landlord.
Lapis: When was this situation with the lardlord?
Allergies: It was a while ago.
Lapis: Landlords are trash. They need to be abolished. Just, boom, out the window. Defenestrated - I love that word, BTW.
Allergies: My main point is, it doesn't feel like Natalie is with us anymore. Like, in any way, shape or form. And as I said previously, Natalie is not our friend. Natalie is not our leader. But at the same time she's a pretty public person, she's doing stuff out there. It would be nice if she listened.
 
this is very relevant. earlier in this thread, I criticized Contrapoints' sophistry, the way he/she uses various tactics to distract from the holes and fallacies in their arguments. one of these is overall presentation, which I didn't address. if you watch any of these videos, you'll see that it's full of bells, whistles, and mirrors: high production values, costumes, antics, sexual innuendo, jokes, roleplaying, etc. this is designed for the reader to relax and let their guard down, so that they're more open to suggestion and persuasion, and less able to question and challenge what they're hearing. it's all very calculated.

while I'm at it, I'll refute another Contrapoint, because I can. at one point, he/she claimed that Latin America is considered separate from the West because of racism. this is simply incorrect. first, Latin America's status as part of the West is debated, some consider it a constituency, others see it as a related but separate region. there are multiple reasons for this:

1. greater wealth disparity and lack of social mobility, which has its roots in how land was administered historically
2. different political culture, with charismatic, strongmen leaders (caudillos) being the norm
3. greater survival of native american culture & heritage, especially compared to North America where it was nearly extirpated
4. largely unaffected by the Protestant Reformation, which made major impacts elsewhere in the West

these factors are more than sufficient to explain why Latin America has a somewhat distinct status compared to the West proper, none of which Contrapoints got into.

Basically all these criticisms would have applied to Spain, Portugal, and Greece until the 1970s. Not counting somewhere like Uruguay, a republic where well over 90% of the population is of European descent, as part of Western culture is absolutely ridiculous and arbitrary. I wouldn't say it's entirely because of racism, more ignorance of the fact that extreme wealth disparities and dictatorships were common in Europe until very recently. I mean point 4 is basically claiming Catholic countries aren't Western, even though Catholicism was the Western side of the church schism.
 
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Lots of updates.

Ladis pka The Effeminate Degenerate (who I predict will be getting a thread of his own here as he grows his channel, he's still new but he's getting there) did a Livestream interview with Nyk's former Discord and Livestream chat moderator Sabrina/Annoyance. She talks about the experience of moderating his Discord and Livestream chats, meeting Nyk IRL in Chicago in 2017 for a party at a bar with 15-20 fans and describes how Nyk became more distant and unavailable overtime. It kinda sad to have to watch a young woman who clearly has zero self-esteem and zero ability to stand up for herself:


Annoyance goes into what she calls "The ContraPoints Discord Riot" (I am guessing this was the tiffy about the landlord, one of your cult-members lurking here should sign up and tell us who s/he was, I bet they're not saying because it was a trannie landlord and though they hate him for being a landlord they're still under the SJW omerta when it comes to outing their own);

"I know my staff members have PTSD over what we had to go through for this. Essentially, one member was talking about something that triggered another member. She asked her to stop talking about that. That was triggering her. And we made a call and said that the thing, the initial trigger point, needed to be taken care off and we suspended that member. And then she started becoming even more of a problem because we gave her a suspension. And we banned her. And I identified as cis at time [huh? Oh, right, later in the stream Sabrina pulls a Trisha Paytas and claims that she herself now identifies as non-binary using they/them pronouns, LMAO.] And the space very quickly became like a big populace of transwomen, they saw this as me attacking a transwoman. So they started calling all my staff members cops. They started to try and get Natalie's attention, eventhough that's against the rules and we don't want you to bother the hell out of her. And it just snowballed from there. And we had to make a lot of decisions very quickly. Natalie had to make a call [into Discord] too. Eventually it just led to, Natalie is just not going to be involved. [Duh, bitch, Nyk always bugs out when he doesn't want to deal with shit.] She told me, I trust you, do whatever you want. It's the fan Discord now, for fans by fans. And I was fine with that. She was going to take the Patreon Discord rewards over to a separate server that she would be in charge of. And I would just help her with the pronouns and making sure people aren't literally fighting in the main board."

So instead of getting in their trannie faces and saying: "Fuck you, I have a right to do this", you identify as whatever NB to dodge their criticism and pretend "I am not cis, I am one of you guys!"? Holy fuck people, the mental illness gymnastics right there. No wonder she has given herself PTSD becaue of the mental gymnastics she has to perform because of how guilt-ridden she is about being attacked by these transwomen. You are seeing a woman thoroughly brainwashed by the SJW cult right here sinking even deeper into cult brainwashing before your eyes.

LMAO, Annoyance mentions the Jackbox streams next. I still remember those. Nyk would play Drawful with his fans and draw an avatar of himself with a champagne glass.


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Lapis asks Annoyance about what Nyk is like IRL and she basically says all the usual things everyone else has said who's met Nyk: he is "more shy than she seems [from the videos]", "very [turned] to-herself" (that's called narcissism Sabrina). She admits that she only met Nyk in 2017 in Chicago. It was meeting of 15 people or 20 people. Sabrina admits that she hasn't had a one-on-one talk with Nyk since April of 2018. I still have the screengrabs from when Sabrina showed up on Nyk's Livestream with Theryn (the one where they were talking about their fucking neovaginas) and was trying to grab Nyk's attention in the chat. I find it very telling that she doesn't tell Lapis about that. This omission shows that she's an unreliable narrator. Sabrina deliberately forgets that Nyk was ignoring her to the point where she had to show up in the chat during a Livestream to try and grab his attention.

Sabrina apparently had sent Nyk a link to some fundraiser she had set up after he dog died asking him whether he wanted to tweet out the link... and he said he didn't want to do that anymore because the second she starts doing that, her entire Twitter becomes just that. (Sabrina, I know you're fucking lurking here at KF too like the rest of you SJW hypocrites that come here. You know this is not true and Nyk was just selling you an excuse. Nyk tweeted out Hbomber's Donkey Kong fundraiser, he tweeted out Oliver's Good Samatarians fundraiser. Why wouldn't he tweet out your fundraiser for your dead dog? Because he's a cliqueish elitist is why. Stop deluding yourself or making excuses for him.)

Sabrina also described an incident where Nyk made fun of Sabrina for accidentally referring to him as "Contra" instead of "Natalie". But let me remind you guys here that Nyk himself used to sign his videos as "Contra" in the credits, and also used "<3 Contra" as his signature on Patreon and in comments underneath his videos. Nyk demanding that people stop calling him "Contra" (which they still do, SFW) was just part of the trans-LARP to make the cult members feel like they had to be on edge and walk on eggshells around dear leader.

Sabrina also talks about Nyk's anarchist cat girl character Tabby Minx, and apparently she has seen The Distributist's most recent video on Nyk because Sabrina repeats the same talking points about Tabby from that video.

This is the first time I am seeing such an openly critical/exasperated tweets from Sabrina/Annoyance. What happened? Why was she downplaying the true nature of her relationship with Nyk all this time on her Curious Cat account? Did she finally realize that giving your labour away for free to a Baltimore millionaire is actually not very lefty? #UnionizationWhen

Got room for someone with a lot of mixed feelings, personal meeting, and generally "worked" for her, etc?
For what it's worth, I could also write some things up. I think I need to considering my history with her as well, might be good for me.
I have to dig through some stuff too.

This is a really strange change of mind given that she tweeted this a few days before the above tweet:

An informal request: Every time Natalie does a fucky wucky please stop asking my opinion of it.
I can't handle the emotional whiplash anymore and I'm not some spokesperson or professional or expert. I'm some person who had enough admiration for her to run a discord. That's all.

it isn't right or fair for me to overload my SO, my friends, classmates, even here. i also need to know what's wrong with me so i can treat myself. heal some of the trauma i've gotten over the years, too.

i can't let myself hurt others and call it progress. i just can't.

since i started school it's been a slow but steady downward spiral, some harder than others. a lot to do with money, even when i was employed and going to school, money and lack thereof, eating habits suffering, just...

i need to take care of myself.

Above all else I just want to feel like the amount of work I did actually amounted to something.

In other news: apparently there's some kind of a mutiny happening at /r/ContraPoints. Someone who claims to be a moderator has broken ranks and is badmouthing the other mods in an anonymous statement posted by a third party to Twitter.

Let's start with a transcript of the Anon statement by the mutineering moderator (I have posted my own comments in []):

The r/contrapoints subreddit is run by an authoritarian powermod and die-hard ContraPoints fan called Merari. Merari is a 40 year old man with anger issues and no understanding of the users of the ~300 subreddits which he controls. [actually most of those are just subs Merari has hijacked and now cybersquats with The League of Extraordinary Trolls. Most of the subs that he and Penny are squatting are not actually in use. It's subs like this that no one is anything posting to. It's a waste of space and Reddit should just delete the subs and ban the "offensive" subname from being used instead of allowing this LeagueTroll OCD hoarding bullshit with collect all the hate-subs you can get. To give you guys an example, Reddit considers the sub-name "WhereMyNiggazAt" to be an offensive name, when this is just some slang greeting that black rappers say at eachother. It's literally used in countless of rap songs, but then again, I guess lilly white Reddit nerds don't listen to rap music.]

He is abusive to the other moderators and has repeatedly made poor decisions which have led to massive and well deserved backlash from the user base for which the rest of the moderation team have to face the consequences, which have at times included death threats and doxxing. He has said numerous times that the subreddit is "his baby" (words he has actually used) [and you SJW troons are angry about that? Look at how you SJWs fetishize motherhood.] and accuses anmyone who makes even the most mild criticisms of him, his moderation style, or ContraPoints to be either part of a "purity testing lynch mob" or a "far right psyop". [These people think that Kiwi Farms is run by the CIA too, so I am not surprised at their paranoia.]

Over the past few days him and Bardfinn, [who is 45 years old BTW, Goth Dad who runs /r/mouthfeel and allows Natalie Mars trannie porn links to be posted before the eyes of Nyk's teenage audience is even older than Merari is, but never mind, being ageist is allowed in the SJW cult when you are age-shaming a gay man, whereas trannies get to be uwu smol gurls forever] at Merari's direction, removed almost all the discussion surrounding ContraPoint's decision to include a known transphobe in one of her videos and banned the use of the word "truscum", a word used to describe transmedicalists and people who are transphobic towards non-binary people. Almost all of the discussion that was removed was extremely civil and people were not being abusive of Natalie whatsoever.

Merari believes that the concerns people have about this decision are entirely made up and that it is just "leftist twitter purity testing" and repeatedly stated his belief that these criticisms constituted harassment and that no actual discussion was happening. However, Merari decided to leave up a few posts surrounding his issue containing misinformation about what had transpired or that were written purely to denigrate those criticising him or ContraPoints. This action was taken for the sole purpose of making it appear as if the user base was so polarized in favor of ContraPoints that anyone making these criticisms would be shunned by the community.

Moderators have the power to shape discussion on forums and Merari has repeatedly abused his power to prevent even the most mild of criticisms from being made against himself and ContraPoints. There are a number of moderators on the r/contrapoints subreddit who have spoken out against Merari for making these decisions for the community by himself and he has repeatedly discarded our opinions and berated us for daring to question him.

As well as being extremely dismissive and arrogant about the opinions the userbase and fellow moderators, other poor moderation decisions which Merari has made include banning the term "ACAB" (a term he believes to be "hatespeech"), banning the "40% of cops abuse their spouse" statistic, removing all but the most gentle criticisms of the mods, removing all criticisms of ContraPoints, mass banning users from r/ChapoTrapHouse, and refusing to unban users even when it's proven they were banned in error instead requiring them to go through an obnoxious appeals process (which no one ever does.)


[Whoever wrote this statement is clearly intimately familiar with the /r/dogswithjob drama from last year. Gee, I wonder who that could be... yes, I firmly suspect the people behind the competing subreddit, which has more of a far left orientation, are behind this mutinity. I know one of their mods was once a mod on the main ContraPoints sub before the /r/dogswithjob drama so it would make perfect sense.]

Back in February when the incident with r/ChapoTrapHouse happened Merari repeatedly lied to both the users and the other moderators (so that we would unknowingly lie on his behalf) about his decision to blanket ban all chapo users from r/FuckTheAltRight and about his desire to do so on r/contrapoints. A thread was made to try and calm the situation [LMAO, always the best way to "calm the situation": create another thread, throwing more petrol onto the fire.] in which a lot of the criticisms against Merari adn this decision became centralised. Realising that he now effectively had a list of all of his loudest critics, Merari and Bardfinn went through the thread and banned every single person who posted in it. [I note that computer nerd Goth Dad is an expert at pulling this kind of shit on Reddit. It's called a "honeypot". Penny knows about setting up and using an internet honeypot because he mentioned being aware of the existence of Reddit honeypots here. It's classic social engineering.] Many of the people who posted in that thread and got banned were regular users of the r/contrapoints subreddit who have since never returned to the sub. Despite this, Merari repeated his claim that they were a lynch mob who were out to get him and continued to ban users and remove criticisms.

I've worked with Merari for a long time during which I believed I could try and alter his positions on how he runs things and help the subreddit to become a place where actual discussion of one of the faces of the trans movement could take place, but it's clear to me now that as long as he is running it it is only ever going to be place for Merari to stroke his overinflated ego.


[Doesn't this sound exactly like something someone from a competing subreddit would say? Someone who was once a moderator and had an axe to grind with his former co-mods?]

Disclaimer: The sub has very little actual affiliation with ContraPoints herself who is an inactive moderator on the subreddit, has no say in these decisions, and had no say in Merari's installation as head moderator. [Well duh, he's the head moderator because he started the sub. The sub existed before Nyk got involved with it. Also, why does Goth Dad insist that Nyk is actively involved with the sub? Is Penny basically lying about Nyk playing a role in its day to day operations? Gee, now why would a group of people who are already heavily invested in manipulating and gaslighting, continue to lie about such things to their users?]

The anon statement by the mutineering moderator was posted on Twitter in the following thread by a certain "Calliethulhu", (wait a minute, I thought the SJWs had cancelled HP Lovecraft for being a racist?) :

Recently I was contacted by a moderator of r/ContraPoints who has been unhappy with Contra's recent actions and especially with the way that her subreddit has been moderated in recent times. They've asked me to post a statement and some screencaps in order to bring this to light

First off, here's the moderator's overall statement on the issue. The crux is that one of the mods, Merari (who is cis) has been treating the subreddit as their own private kingdom, and has been removing critical comments and declaring all criticism 'purity testing'
https://twitter.com/Calliethulhu/status/1185675541992660992

TW: slurs
Here are some screencaps of the r/Contrapoints mod chat I've been asked to post. Here you can see some of Merari's atrocious behaviour on display: as a cis man, they dismiss the feelings of non-binary people completely and act aggressively to other mods when challenged

Particular highlights: claiming 'ACAB' is hate speech that needs to be banned, and comparing 'truscum' to a racist slur. And even when the subreddit was on approved posts only, he explicitly approved clearly bigoted comments like this

Here's a list of comments and accounts that have been removed, censored and banned, largely as a result of simple criticism towards Contra (probably ruined by twitter compression, but you can see the length). The only point is to shut down criticism

I'm posting this simply because I was asked to, to illustrate what's been going on with that subreddit and why it's been such a trash fire, as some of us have noticed. I think this context exposes how expressly shitty stuff like the ban on the word 'truscum' is

Nyk's trannie fans are coming out of the woodwork to comment on the drama, and needless to say they are as lultzy as Nyk himself is.

Here's a trannie with a pole - no, not that pole you perverts, this is a family friendly forum FFS, I mean a stripper pole:


But the absolute highlight of the most recent trannie responses to the drama is this video:


Imagine if a right-wing pundit or talking head or political commentator actually platformed Buck Angel.

Yeah, I totally know right-wing pundits to platform trannie porn actors.
Dude, what fucking planet are you on?
 
As for whether Latin America is considered part of the West, Jorge Luis Borges and Pablo Neruda are part of the Western Canon according to Harold Bloom. Since "The West" isn't a well-defined category you can argue all day about what belongs in it. It's like arguing about what states are part of the Midwest.
 
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