ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

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I've been lurking this thread for days and it's fucking endless. I used to watch Contrapoints and stopped sometime around the Cancelling vid, and now I looked them up and was a bit shocked at how they look, how many Patreon subscribers they have vs. the low effort boring shit they put out there, and also everything on here.

Thanks to whoever archived Nyk's old vids and also to the people who calculated how much they really made doing this BS, that really, er, put things into perspective. Yah that's a cynical grifter, pretty much. I always thought they were pretty mediocre, but entertaining and harmless, and I felt so sorry for them when they kept getting "cancelled" over stupid shit lol. Can anyone pls take mercy and recap what happened after they got FFS/the Philosophy Tube drama? Did they finally get a vagina or did they chicken out? What are they currently addicted to/mentally ill with? Or are they okay? Were they in any interesting scandals? Are they now married with three kids or living in a harem or something? WTF happened to their nose and eyebrows? Why do they look like that? Why is their nose melting off

I'd try to lurk more but it's fucking 425 pages. I can't take it anymore, you guys really love to discuss Israel and Marilyn Manson and all sorts of random unrelated shit! This is my second week of trying to get through this damn thread and now I can't sleep because I'm so confused and also intrigued
 
you guys really love to discuss Israel and Marilyn Manson and all sorts of random unrelated shit!
Blame Nykys for that, he has a ton of weird obsessions (that include Contra). He now inhabits Onion Farms which is a really shitty KF splinter site and banned user refugee camp owned and operated by a Chris Chan orbiter.
 
OK, so I have skimmed the rest of the comments and here's a recap for future generations who don't want to spend a month reading this:

1. Mental health problems: Contra grew up upper-middle class and medicated to their gills by religious conservative parents, and meandered through life until they landed on a youtube career. They got diagnosed with pretty much everything, ADHD, OCD, anxiety, depression, bipolar, and eventually quit their meds and moved on to psychedelics and party drugs. They seem like they won't ever trust therapy/doctors, although they did go to therapy at some point and then quit. It looks like they were incredibly uncomfortable in their skin their entire life: they needed to get drunk to have sex with girls, then came out as bi and genderqueer and needed a shitload of drugs to have sex with a bunch of strange men, then they quit dating men and got addicted to opioids. It looks like they're still doing drugs a lot, but maybe not as much as a few years back. None of our business, but they do for some reason enjoy repeatedly divulging that information on camera and surround themselves with enablers, and they are also awful preachy for someone this unhappy. Their delivery makes it look like dark Mother imparting wisdom, but really it's just a confused, unhappy person bouncing around like a ping-pong ball with no sense of direction.

More disturbingly, they ordered HRT drugs online and started taking them to bully the doctors into letting them get on hormones and do surgeries, thus avoiding getting a dysphoria diagnosis and at least consistent guidance by a medical professional. WTF. FFS this was a financially stable adult in their 30s, who lives in a very inclusive country with first-world doctors, what the actual fuck?!

2. Champagne socialism. They are Pink's cousin and may have had serious nepo backing before their channel exploded the way it did, but it's unclear how close they are. They also make bank, something in the ballpark of $600k/year. When they got "cancelled", they in actuality gained followers, earning them an estimated extra $30k/year. Despite initially playing with leftist ideas in their videos, they have an awful lot of unpaid volunteers. They do seem to donate to charity a lot, but they also aren't transparent about their income OR donations and a lot of their spending is on frivolous bullshit like $1000 nails and archival designer dresses. As of a few years back they had a flat and a house, with a lot of really tacky furniture, and the whole place was a cluttered pigsty. They were marketed as a leftist messiah of sorts, but they veered off from that ages ago, so it's on their subscribers if they want to randomly make this person a millionaire for no reason lol. It looks like they hopped from bandwagon to bandwagon and eventually got a loyal fanbase who are okay with watching random memes and Contra getting drunk. It doesn't look like they're interested in commenting on current events or making any political/serious content ever again. Good for them.

3. Grooming and narc behaviours. One of the more disturbing things in this thread is how Contra exploits people: they repeatedly use people, for free labour, or to get clicks/exposure and then throw them to the dogs. It looks like there may be a consistent lovebombing/ghosting/triangulation thing going on behind the scenes. They also dislike direct confrontations and instead make parodies of their enemies and repeatedly use those characters in their videos, for example Tiffany Tumbles/Blaire White. The first two hundred pages of this thread from hell have a lot of drama related to Theryn, Blaire White, Buck Angel and many others. They also have a lot of repeat stories about doing something to their fans on their livestream: they kissed Theryn, resulting in an engagement being called off, and made a barely legal kid divulge personal sensitive stuff on a livestream as well. Looks like they hover around young transgirls like Miss London, and their current (???) partner "Uwu" is much younger. Their fandom also has a bit of a parasocial thing going on.

4. Shady backstory. Before Contra, they used to be a bit of a fedora dudebro. Their older videos ooze frat fuckboy energy without a trace of femininity or homosexuality in them, even when they're wearing a fucking dress. They recorded boring atheist/skeptic rants, sent porn to feminists, and recorded themselves performing 1 man 1 bottle on blogtv. Did not see video evidence of that, for all we know it's someone's sexual fantasy. Nykys kept spamming all of that over and over and linking some dumb video with a bunch of drunk 20-year-olds being cringy. For what it's worth, Contra appears to have grown out of that sort of nonsense, but some of their rhetoric is still a bit incel-ish. Because of their delivery it's not very obvious until you see how they used to be. Vintage Contrapojnts is on page 173.

5. Surgeries. Their face looks very off compared to a few years back. They did a hairline lift and nosejob and shaved off some bone of their chin and eyebrow ridge. I don't think they have talked about any other procedures, but it looks like they abandoned the idea of getting a neovag, which, honestly, good for them, that surgery sounds really risky and awful and doesn't appear to have many benefits.

From some of the comments on here you'd think we're looking at Carrot Top or someone equally ugly, but idk. I don't think they look grotesque. They were an attractive dude and an okay to pretty looking lady, but the FFS has left some nerve damage in the cheeks, and it looks like they did something to their mouth since then: the corners look really weird, either bad fillers or JK Rowling gave them a Glasgow smile at some point. They also made their eyebrows smaller and died their hair a worse colour, and the whole thing just doesn't work with their face at all. Their eyes are also pretty puffy.

6. Philosophy Tube randomly began to transition into them like a serial killer. It also seems like Contra themselves is transitioning into JK Rowling?

Idk this person's whole life story is so surreal and messy lol, love it. Hope they stop fucking with hard drugs and their face.
 
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Nick is not pleased with Twitter's recent decision to hide likes, how will he find right wing chasers now? Archive.
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You know I'm old enough to remember a time back around 2002 or so when the Left was absolutely freaking out that the government was going to get the ability to see which library books you checked out thanks to the Homeland Security Act.

Now they all freak out over anybody having privacy.
 
You know I'm old enough to remember a time back around 2002 or so when the Left was absolutely freaking out that the government was going to get the ability to see which library books you checked out thanks to the Homeland Security Act.

Now they all freak out over anybody having privacy.
That left very much still exists when Greenwald Jimmy Dore Edward Snowden.
James Lindsey.
Gad sobbed
Weinstein
it's just they're not giving the massive microphone YouTube's favorite algorithm because a lot of these tech platforms are directly tied at the hip to the government
why competed being the best video sharing website when you can literally use your connections with the US state department and the media
can just say all of your competitors allow extremist content so you should not advertise with them
 
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That left very much still exists when Greenwald Jimmy Dore Edward Snowden.
James Lindsey.
Gad sobbed
Weinstein
it's just they're not giving the massive microphone YouTube's favorite algorithm because a lot of these tech platforms are directly tied at the hip to the government
why competed being the best video sharing website when you can literally use your connections with the US state department and the media they say all of your competitors are violent white supremacist platforms
"Gad Saad" but yeah, I already listen to about half that list.
 
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Alan Turing was famously arrested and castrated for homosexuality despite his important scientific contributions to the allied war effort
I posted about this before here. Alan Turing was involved in "rough trade", paying young men involved in petty criminality for sexual acts. A friend of one of these men burgled his house, and when Turing reported the burglary to the police, he decided to admit that the reason he knew the identity of the burglar was that he was paying his friend for "mutual masturbation", then a crime. Allowing him to avoid conviction because of his war cryptanalysis would violate the rule of law.
The chemical castration was not compulsory either - it was part of a plea agreement, and he could have spent a few months in jail instead (however, I do think that the chemical castration contributed to his suicide, because of a letter he wrote to Norman Routledge). Chemical castration for sex offences as a plea agreement or parole condition is allowed in the present day in the UK and many US states (though with different drugs from what Turing had).
If Turing had never got involved with criminals, he wouldn't have been arrested, just like Noel Coward, Wittgenstein, J M Keynes, the Bloomsbury group etc. Stealing from the man who paid you for "rough trade" was a tradition that carried on even after legalisation of consensual buggery, as recounted in a story about the painter Francis Bacon by Dr Who here (start at 18:57 or 22:15, according to how much rambling you like, punchline at 24:00):
Chemical castration isn't really castration. Stop taking the pills and things generally go back to normal.
I agree that chemical castration is not the same as castration, but like everything that is "reversible until it isn't" what is actually happening is that damage accumulates the whole time it is used, and then it becomes permanent when the damage becomes irreparable. Let's not forget that Bob "Blaire" White went off oestrogen to try to have children and found he had no capacity to make sperm any more.
but it looks like they abandoned the idea of getting a neovag, which, honestly, good for them, that surgery sounds really risky and awful and doesn't appear to have many benefits.
The "bottom surgeries", whether for men or women are useless and create more problems than they solve (although that's not difficult when they don't solve anything). I refer you to the SRS thread. The doctors involved are able to escape criticism because everyone follows the underlying idea of "never wrestle with a pig - you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it" and all the medical professionals with an actual sense of ethics have too much work to do curing patients of real diseases.
 
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OK, so I have skimmed the rest of the comments and here's a recap for future generations who don't want to spend a month reading this:

1. Mental health problems: Contra grew up upper-middle class and medicated to their gills by religious conservative parents, and meandered through life until they landed on a youtube career. They got diagnosed with pretty much everything, ADHD, OCD, anxiety, depression, bipolar, and eventually quit their meds and moved on to psychedelics and party drugs. They seem like they won't ever trust therapy/doctors, although they did go to therapy at some point and then quit. It looks like they were incredibly uncomfortable in their skin their entire life: they needed to get drunk to have sex with girls, then came out as bi and genderqueer and needed a shitload of drugs to have sex with a bunch of strange men, then they quit dating men and got addicted to opioids. It looks like they're still doing drugs a lot, but maybe not as much as a few years back. None of our business, but they do for some reason enjoy repeatedly divulging that information on camera and surround themselves with enablers, and they are also awful preachy for someone this unhappy. Their delivery makes it look like dark Mother imparting wisdom, but really it's just a confused, unhappy person bouncing around like a ping-pong ball with no sense of direction.
AFAIK Nick's never been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. He's garden-variety depressed and anxious, and while he's really obsessive and perfectionistic, I don't think it rises to the level of clinical OCD. He may or may not have ADHD - that disorder was overdiagnosed in his generation, especially middle class kids whose parents wanted to put them on academic performance enhancing drugs.

More disturbingly, they ordered HRT drugs online and started taking them to bully the doctors into letting them get on hormones and do surgeries, thus avoiding getting a dysphoria diagnosis and at least consistent guidance by a medical professional. WTF. FFS this was a financially stable adult in their 30s, who lives in a very inclusive country with first-world doctors, what the actual fuck?!
It's just one more risky decision made by someone who does this a lot, and it was made with the expectation that HRT = euphoria beyond anything he'd ever known, and probably in ignorance of the potential risks. There were definitely some troons in his orbit showing him exactly how to obtain the drugs and where to get a dosing schedule. I don't think he was DIYing HRT for very long at all, he got a real Rx and some de minimus medical oversight like a month or two later.

2. Champagne socialism. They are Pink's cousin and may have had serious nepo backing before their channel exploded the way it did,
Incorrect. He was strapped for money when the channel got started and was elated when he got to a point when youtubing started to pay for itself and then some. Not sure if his family had cut him off or whatever but Nick was not rich when the channel got started and he wasn't benefitting from generational wealth, even if his cousin is famous. He was on Medicaid and lived in a tiny rowhouse apartment in a shitty neighborhood in Baltimore.

but it's unclear how close they are. They also make bank, something in the ballpark of $600k/year. When they got "cancelled", they in actuality gained followers, earning them an estimated extra $30k/year. Despite initially playing with leftist ideas in their videos, they have an awful lot of unpaid volunteers.
Nick has hardly any volunteers, not because he can't get them, but because he doesn't want their involvement.

It's one of the reasons his production times are so long. He basically does every aspect of production himself, and he has like one other collaborator (Zoe Blade, who does his scores.) Otherwise, writing, acting, direction, videography, sound design, lighting, costumes, set design, the works, is all Nick. He had some camera help, at some point, but I don't think he has since the pandemic.

They do seem to donate to charity a lot, but they also aren't transparent about their income OR donations and a lot of their spending is on frivolous bullshit like $1000 nails and archival designer dresses.
Correct and he gets upset if you ask.

As of a few years back they had a flat and a house, with a lot of really tacky furniture, and the whole place was a cluttered pigsty. They were marketed as a leftist messiah of sorts, but they veered off from that ages ago, so it's on their subscribers if they want to randomly make this person a millionaire for no reason lol. It looks like they hopped from bandwagon to bandwagon and eventually got a loyal fanbase who are okay with watching random memes and Contra getting drunk. It doesn't look like they're interested in commenting on current events or making any political/serious content ever again. Good for them.
The fans have a parasocial relationship with Contrapoints, and it overrides any kind of logic about getting a return on their investment in the form of regular video content or whatever. Many of them are also trans (or on the path to becoming trans) and Nick is like, aspirational content to them. (" OMG she's literally me. One day, I too will fill the rub with rhinestones and abuse opioid drugs to quiet the voices of self-doubt that plague me every waking moment.")

3. Grooming and narc behaviours. One of the more disturbing things in this thread is how Contra exploits people: they repeatedly use people, for free labour, or to get clicks/exposure and then throw them to the dogs. It looks like there may be a consistent lovebombing/ghosting/triangulation thing going on behind the scenes. They also dislike direct confrontations and instead make parodies of their enemies and repeatedly use those characters in their videos, for example Tiffany Tumbles/Blaire White.
Tiffany Tumbles is (IMO) more clearly a very self-critical depiction of Nick himself than it is of Blaire. It's also one of the last good pieces of art he made for his channel.

The first two hundred pages of this thread from hell have a lot of drama related to Theryn, Blaire White, Buck Angel and many others. They also have a lot of repeat stories about doing something to their fans on their livestream: they kissed Theryn, resulting in an engagement being called off, and made a barely legal kid divulge personal sensitive stuff on a livestream as well. Looks like they hover around young transgirls like Miss London, and their current (???) partner "Uwu" is much younger. Their fandom also has a bit of a parasocial thing going on.
ya think??
Yeah Nick has problems maintaining normal relationships. I would say though, the three people you mentioned represent three different kinds of drama Nick gets involved in: interpersonal drama (his weird lovelorn thing for Theryn that didn't work out, and yeah, he's basically the other woman in that scenario), Buck Angel (attempt at inclusivity that caused his audience to attack him because Buck Angel is transmedicalist, and most of Nick's audience is part of the postmodern trans vanguard) and Blaire White (I think this is plain old jealousy - Blaire passes better than Nick because Blaire is a diminutive half-Asian.)

He also wants to be famous and loves attention, but he also is a bit of an introvert and only wants to deal with other people on his terms.

4. Shady backstory. Before Contra, they used to be a bit of a fedora dudebro. Their older videos ooze frat fuckboy energy without a trace of femininity or homosexuality in them, even when they're wearing a fucking dress. They recorded boring atheist/skeptic rants, sent porn to feminists, and recorded themselves performing 1 man 1 bottle on blogtv. Did not see video evidence of that, for all we know it's someone's sexual fantasy. Nykys kept spamming all of that over and over and linking some dumb video with a bunch of drunk 20-year-olds being cringy. For what it's worth, Contra appears to have grown out of that sort of nonsense, but some of their rhetoric is still a bit incel-ish. Because of their delivery it's not very obvious until you see how they used to be. Vintage Contrapojnts is on page 173.
Nick is not an incel, at least not in the sense of having problems getting laid. He has problems with his desire and in determining what he wants.

5. Surgeries. Their face looks very off compared to a few years back. They did a hairline lift and nosejob and shaved off some bone of their chin and eyebrow ridge. I don't think they have talked about any other procedures, but it looks like they abandoned the idea of getting a neovag, which, honestly, good for them, that surgery sounds really risky and awful and doesn't appear to have many benefits.
IMO the FFS did very little to make Nick look like a woman, or even substantially different from how he used to look. He just looks "worked-on", if you get what I mean. The most noticeable differences to me are brow ridge and nose.

From some of the comments on here you'd think we're looking at Carrot Top or someone equally ugly, but idk. I don't think they look grotesque. They were an attractive dude and an okay to pretty looking lady, but the FFS has left some nerve damage in the cheeks, and it looks like they did something to their mouth since then: the corners look really weird, either bad fillers or JK Rowling gave them a Glasgow smile at some point. They also made their eyebrows smaller and died their hair a worse colour, and the whole thing just doesn't work with their face at all. Their eyes are also pretty puffy.
You only ever see Nick after he spends 25-35 minutes minimum on makeup (potentially way longer if he's doing a drag-kabuki look) and it's been that way since 2018. His no makeup face is like a state secret, if you see it he has to kill you.

6. Philosophy Tube randomly began to transition into them like a serial killer. It also seems like Contra themselves is transitioning into JK Rowling?
Oliver met Contrapoints, there was a consensual sexual relationship, and then sometime shortly after that Oliver ripped Nick's schtick and enjoys a comparable level of success, and Nick has never really forgiven Oliver for doing that.

Idk this person's whole life story is so surreal and messy lol, love it. Hope they stop fucking with hard drugs and their face.
常在河邊走哪能不濕鞋.
Translation: “Often walking by a river, one cannot avoid wet shoes.”
Meaning: Nick walks a path of transsexual deviance because he thought it would be the end of all his problems, and as a result, it's inevitable that he's going to do drugs and fuck around with his face and body in deleterious ways.
 
What makes you think that?
A lot of things. The inclusion of makeup tutorials in Tiffany's character, which are not part of Blair's channel, but they are something Nick enjoys watching. The way Tiffany dresses - more maximally feminine than Blair's choices in clothes and makeup. The drinking and the regret and pain and anguish Tiffany expresses towards the end of the video. There are some surface similarities to Blair, but many of those things have also happened to Nick, like getting attacked from the left on Twitter, the feelings of trans superiority because you're more attractive, or that troons who don't pass are more cringe, or that "I'm trying harder than you", or having to face anger from other trans women who don't agree with you politically or who get upset by your obvious "beauty privilege". And Tiffany definitely responds to the conflict and angst the way Nick would - by getting hammered and marathon reading unkind comments about himself once the show goes live.Tiffany is further to the right than IRL Natalie, but they're otherwise super similar and more similar to each other more than Tiffany is to Blair. (Who's mentioned in the script and within its fiction is a different person than Tiffany.)

Pro tip: when Nick depicts trans angst (best examples: Gender Dysphoria and Tiffany Tumbles, he's depicting his own angst, because that's what he has the most insight into.

In general, I've seen Nick incorporate mannerisms in his characters that are similar to those of people he knows, or who ask questions real people have asked him, but it falls short of outright copying them. The Tiffany character is one of those.
 
More disturbingly, they ordered HRT drugs online and started taking them to bully the doctors into letting them get on hormones and do surgeries, thus avoiding getting a dysphoria diagnosis and at least consistent guidance by a medical professional. WTF. FFS this was a financially stable adult in their 30s, who lives in a very inclusive country with first-world doctors, what the actual fuck?!
This is stochastic terrorism tho??? Something trannies say is evil??? Nick, please explain.
 
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Incorrect. He was strapped for money when the channel got started and was elated when he got to a point when youtubing started to pay for itself and then some. Not sure if his family had cut him off or whatever but Nick was not rich when the channel got started and he wasn't benefitting from generational wealth, even if his cousin is famous. He was on Medicaid and lived in a tiny rowhouse apartment in a shitty neighborhood in Baltimore.
No clue about the rest of this, but it's not an apartment and it's a pretty nice location for what it is. I don't know if he's technically in Hampden (expensive hipster neighborhood) proper but he's nearby.

I'm guessing his house is valued $300-400k.
 
Always interesting to me to see Contra's thinking being addressed substantively, since that YT presentation style goes a long way to covering underlying argumentative messiness. Andy Mills and Meghan Phelps-Roper take a look at Contra's "Witch Trials" video here. Their tone is reflective and compassionate, rather than mean. I'd like to see more normie discourse in this style. Doubt we'll see a reply to this as Contra has nothing to gain, nor even an ego wound to avenge due to the podcast hosts' caution.

Some bonus guests such as Jacob Tobia, who appeared on a Rat King thread. As with so many TRAs, a near-epiphany is enthusiastically abandoned after, one assumes, reeducation at the hands of peers.
 
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No clue about the rest of this, but it's not an apartment and it's a pretty nice location for what it is. I don't know if he's technically in Hampden (expensive hipster neighborhood) proper but he's nearby.

I'm guessing his house is valued $300-400k.
That's where he lives now. When he got the channel started, he rented a rowhouse in the city of Baltimore proper.
The difference is pretty easy to see if you watch early videos and compare to later ones. The old apartment had really claustrophobic hallways and comparatively tiny rooms to the place he's living in now.
 
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