EU Could the EU overturn the German election results if the AfD does well? - Former European Commissioner Thierry Breton certainly thinks so

A great deal of controversy erupted in response to former European Commissioner for Internal Market Thierry Breton’s remarks last month regarding the European Union’s alleged power to overturn election results in its member states. Breton made the statement on the French television channel RMC Story. Speaking about the upcoming national elections in Germany and the expectation that the right-wing populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) party will perform well, Breton commented that “we did it in Romania and we will obviously do it in Germany if necessary.”

🇩🇪🇪🇺Thierry Breton's statement on canceling Germany's elections translated to English.
Breton said if the EU Commission decides that the election in Germany was subject to "foreign interference," they would annul the election as they did in Romania's presidential election pic.twitter.com/3433nU8ya9
— Remix News & Views (@RMXnews) January 13, 2025

Breton was referring to November’s presidential election in Romania, where the results were annulled after a right-wing populist, Călin Georgescu, unexpectedly won the most votes. The Romanian Constitutional Court claimed that this move had been mandated due to an online Russian interference campaign that had been carried out in the run-up to the election.

Breton didn’t specify who the “we” was in his statement, but given that he is a Brussels politician, most assumed that he was referring to the European Union.

The cancellation of the election has become a global news story, and just this week, U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance specifically pointed out the incident to showcase a lack of democracy in Europe while lambasting European elites at the Munich Security Conference,

JD Vance calls the European leaders gathered at the Munich Security Conference a bunch of HYPOCRITES for claiming to value “democracy” while actively working to overturn Romania’s recent election.
THIS is what real American leadership looks like. 🇺🇸🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/XpSKSOdotC
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) February 14, 2025

András László, a Hungarian MEP from Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz party, likewise attracted attention when he responded to Breton’s statement on X last month by saying that the European Union “refuses to respect democratic norms.” He went on to accuse the EU of being willing to “cancel democracy” when it doesn’t like the outcome of national elections in its member states. Entrepreneur and leader of the recently created U.S. Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) Elon Musk, who has been highly critical of the EU himself, retweeted László’s remark with the simple comment, “Exactly.”

The Hungarian fact-checking site Faktum decided to investigate how correct MEP László’s remarks are. This issue takes on even greater relevancy in relation to the EU’s Digital Services Act (DSA), which was adopted in 2022 and entered into force in 2024. Among its provisions, the DSA requires online platforms operating within the EU to censor content at the Brussels bureaucrats’ behest when it allegedly violates EU law. The DSA likewise seeks greater transparency in terms of the sources of political advertising.

Several online companies, such as the search engine giant Google, have since indicated that they will refuse to comply with the DSA. Elon Musk’s X has likewise been accused by the EU of being in violation of the DSA by disseminating problematic political content, although Musk has denied the accusations, claiming that the EU is merely trying to censor speech that it doesn’t like.

While it hasn’t happened yet, the possibility of the government of an EU member state using the DSA or other EU legislation to annul the results of a national election when it doesn’t like the result certainly exists. After all, under the provisions of the EU’s governing treaties, national courts are responsible for enforcing EU law as well as domestic law.

Although the EU was not directly involved in the annulment of Romania’s recent election — at least not openly — it has been keeping a close eye on events there given that it can be seen as a test case for how the DSA could be applied in a similar situation in the future. This was underscored by the fact that the European Commission has launched its own investigation into whether “Russian interference” on social media played a role in the Romanian election.

There is also very much a double standard in how “foreign interference” is understood in Brussels. András László pointed out in his tweet that the EU remained silent when Viktor Orbán’s united opposition received $10 million from anonymous sources in the United States and Switzerland in the run-up to Hungary’s 2022 national elections, and it was widely known that the U.S. embassy had supported the opposition’s media operations during the same period as well. (The European Commission naturally denies that there is any such double standard, and insists that it only has the power to intervene in a limited way in cases of election interference, which fall under the purview of the member states themselves.)

In response, in 2023, the Hungarian Parliament enacted legislation which led to the creation of the Office for the Defense of Sovereignty. This office is tasked with preventing foreign interference, such as by investigating NGOs and other institutions in Hungary that are funded from abroad. The European Union responded by referring Hungary to the European Court of Justice, claiming that this office violates the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

In the case of Germany, the Federal Elections Act is the legislation that governs the way in which the integrity of the country’s elections is guaranteed. It is also the legal mechanism under which an election result can be challenged. The Federal Constitutional Court is the body that would be called upon to review election results in a case where foul play was suspected. This has never happened before in modern German history, however, and Faktum considers it very unlikely that the German court would regard a violation of the EU’s new directives on social media alone as a sufficient cause for overturning an election result.

Additionally, if the German government were to find evidence that there had been foreign interference in an election, it would first launch an investigation before taking the extremely drastic step of annulling the results altogether. And in order for the latter to occur, very clear and extensive evidence of foreign interference would have to be presented and proven. This is very unlike what happened in Romania in December, a country that has a very different body of legislation governing its elections than Germany does. The chances that the upcoming German national elections might be overturned by the courts are therefore very low.

How the EU’s DSA will ultimately affect national politics in Europe remains to be seen. While everyone agrees on the need to secure elections against foreign influence in the age of social media, different factions disagree on how this should be implemented. Whereas liberals tend to see the DSA as a way of combating such interference, those on the right fear that it could limit freedom of expression. Only time will tell how the DSA will ultimately be enforced in practice.

In Germany’s case, however, we can at least say that Thierry Breton’s claim that the EU would overturn the results of the upcoming election if the AfD does well is greatly exaggerated.

 
Since AfD are Russo-American stooges this may be a necessity in any case.
Are you sure it's the AFD that are Russian stooges?

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I honestly think WEF controlled EU will create a falseflag to try and wage war against the USA, and use the fragmented DNC to create cancers from within to weaken the US from the inside. Trump/Vance spit in their faces and now the people who want to rape kids, eat steaks and enslave the world want blood.
I would love to see the EU declare war on the US. Good luck with that.
 
WEF is royally pissed they permanently lost control of the USA, so now they're going to create the reset across Europe.
I honestly think WEF controlled EU will create a falseflag to try and wage war against the USA, and use the fragmented DNC to create cancers from within to weaken the US from the inside. Trump/Vance spit in their faces and now the people who want to rape kids, eat steaks and enslave the world want blood.
I don't think there is a single citizen or migrant that is interested in dying for the EU, even including the ones that lick their boots.
 
Save r democracy! Unless of course the plebs start getting ideas. I need a gif of sponge bob going ‘oh no! Try agaaaain’
I have no idea what you retards are talking about. The EU is the most supreme and perfect example of democracy.

One person. One vote. Von Der Leyen is the person, and she has the vote.
Did we ever find out what she was texting to the head of Pfizer?
 
"Our Democracy is Sacred"
"If some one that the EU likes doesn't win they get to unilaterally overturn the election"

We live in fucked times.
Those "times" have been around for a while now. Back with the Irish people rejecting the Lisbon treaty, the EU just decided to run the election a second time because the Irish had voted the wrong way the first time.

You only really know if you have democracy when you test it by voting against the most powerful. Romania turns out not. The USA, borderline after 2020 but seems to have been reinstated for now.

Crazy how much evil such a small country is responsible for.
Brussels isn't responsible for the evil. That's just where the evil have decided to place their office.

They seethe about Elon as a private citizen expressing opinions online as "election interference" while the Green Party in Germany sent members to America to campaign for Kamala, what a joke.
Not to forget that the British Labour Party sent its staff over to campaign for her as well, paid for by Labour Party too.

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With your own. I don't think it would happen but if it were to, it would be a "legitimate" US govt. recognized by European powers trying to deploy the army against an "illegitimate" one. UN forces would come in to assist the "legitimate" government. Basically civil war with foreign powers on one side.

I'm not saying it's likely but the prospect of civil war in the USA wasn't entirely off the cards if they hadn't let Trump take power. Those factions he just beat - the Deep State, Uniparty, Intelligence Agencies, Blackrock, etc. They're not gone, they haven't just vanished. They're routed, not dead. IMO what they're doing is trying to fortify against Trump doing them too much damage and preparing to make certain 2024 never, ever happens to them again. It might seem insane to think the US army would act against the population but you had generals actively lie to Trump last time he was in over troop movements in Afghanistan and secretly refuse to implement his orders. Hell, one of them told China they'd let them know what the President was doing if he looked like he was going to do something bad. The Top Brass were well prepared to act against democracy. And sure, the rank and file soldiers would hesitate to fire on US citizens but that's where Globalism comes in. The legitimate govt. invites in UN / European troops for the more especially controversial actions.

Again, this is a long-shot and desperate scenario that I don't think is likely. But the answer to your question of "with what militaries" is "your own". A civil war would be engineered by the same people who control both European heads of state and are rooted in your own country as the "Deep State". And European / UN powers would come in on behalf of the "legitimate" side.


Anyway, back to Germany I can't wait to see the results of this election.
 
lol imagine just for a minute that your country is controlled from fucking belgium
Belgium was created by the Anglo bankers in the 1830s to preserve a foothold on the continent and control Europe and its future. The Anglo bankers all moved to New York by a century later and used Belgium to undermine Europe. Der Kaiser was right to try and remove that eyesore of a country from the map. It still should be, because now it's where the NYC bankers and the glowies get to run Europe from.
WEF is royally pissed they permanently lost control of the USA, so now they're going to create the reset across Europe.
I honestly think WEF controlled EU will create a falseflag to try and wage war against the USA, and use the fragmented DNC to create cancers from within to weaken the US from the inside. Trump/Vance spit in their faces and now the people who want to rape kids, eat steaks and enslave the world want blood.
We'll just team up with Russia again and reset that freedom-hating continent back to 1946.
 
They seethe about Elon as a private citizen expressing opinions online as "election interference" while the Green Party in Germany sent members to America to campaign for Kamala, what a joke.
Isn’t that foreign election interference?
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Hey those Bundeswehr broomsticks can be jabbed quite painfully. And that’s without sharpening them
 
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There's '''interference''' by foreign governments in EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
Which is why they changed the narrative after 2016 from "Russia hacked the election" to "Russia interfered in the election." It's a low bar you can easily meet to support whatever narrative you want to sell to stupid voters.
 
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Imagine almost bragging that if a nation's election results arent what you wanted, you WILL interfere.
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With wanker insults and bad teeth photos. Fear them! Jokes aside, who the fuck joins the military at this point ? Your leaders fucking hate you and they aint afraid to hide it.
I've seen pro EU people on social media claiming that makes democracy stronger.

Diversity is a strength.
hate speech laws allows more speech.
cancelling elections if the ruling class doesn't like the result means the democracy is stronger.

I really wish I had the ability to see who was paid to shill the EU or not because I feel like that would make me sleep easier at night or worse at night if they do it for free

Ahh the wonders of double think. You can unironically say the most insanely contradictive statements with a straight face.

And yeah, the line between shill and cultist is rather...concerning because the latter really shows how mentally fucked these people are and, as a russian defactor once said, they cant be fixed, they are lost.
 
With your own. I don't think it would happen but if it were to, it would be a "legitimate" US govt. recognized by European powers trying to deploy the army against an "illegitimate" one. UN forces would come in to assist the "legitimate" government. Basically civil war with foreign powers on one side.

I'm not saying it's likely but the prospect of civil war in the USA wasn't entirely off the cards if they hadn't let Trump take power. Those factions he just beat - the Deep State, Uniparty, Intelligence Agencies, Blackrock, etc. They're not gone, they haven't just vanished. They're routed, not dead. IMO what they're doing is trying to fortify against Trump doing them too much damage and preparing to make certain 2024 never, ever happens to them again. It might seem insane to think the US army would act against the population but you had generals actively lie to Trump last time he was in over troop movements in Afghanistan and secretly refuse to implement his orders. Hell, one of them told China they'd let them know what the President was doing if he looked like he was going to do something bad. The Top Brass were well prepared to act against democracy. And sure, the rank and file soldiers would hesitate to fire on US citizens but that's where Globalism comes in. The legitimate govt. invites in UN / European troops for the more especially controversial actions.

Again, this is a long-shot and desperate scenario that I don't think is likely. But the answer to your question of "with what militaries" is "your own". A civil war would be engineered by the same people who control both European heads of state and are rooted in your own country as the "Deep State". And European / UN powers would come in on behalf of the "legitimate" side.


Anyway, back to Germany I can't wait to see the results of this election.
That would require the people running the show to be smart, when in reality globohomo has decided a man so empty headed you'd be hard pressed to find even a skull on an x-ray should head up the UK for them, which according the Bongs here is going so well for globohomo as to actually generate significant backlash for once.

The world isn't run by evil geniuses; its run by evil morons.
 
It doesn't matter. The AfD support corresponds nearly exactly with the old 'German Democratic Republic' borders. They'll always be a minority for the disgruntled. Their leader is a lesbian living in Switzerland with a Sri Lankan and a levy of brown servants. If the base aren't descendants of red army rape babies, it seems like that with their desire to re enslave Germany to Russian fossil fuels. If the AfD are anti-constitutional, they can be suppressed. Given Germany's history, extremist stupidity is unaffordable. It's not in the EU's purview to suppress a German Party anyhow, do it doesn't matter.
 

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Again, this is a long-shot and desperate scenario that I don't think is likely. But the answer to your question of "with what militaries" is "your own". A civil war would be engineered by the same people who control both European heads of state and are rooted in your own country as the "Deep State". And European / UN powers would come in on behalf of the "legitimate" side.

I think they're too dumb and delusional to get it off the ground, but this scenario was basically floated on Reddit (whowatchesthewatchers and somethingiswrong2024 ), home of the Feds, around the inauguration hysteria. I'm convinced it's coming from the intelligence agencies.

The Romanian ruling party faked Russian election interference. Call me a faggot,but I am worried about Germany's election because if some democratic steam isn't allowed to correct hugely unpopular policies like immigration... well, they are going to create Hitler 2.0. America will then seemingly be obligated to ride to the retards' rescue losing millions of American lives. Boy the last few years have made me re-evaluate how I see WW2.
 
Call me a faggot,but I am worried about Germany's election because if some democratic steam isn't allowed to correct hugely unpopular policies like immigration... well, they are going to create Hitler 2.0.
Ironic. In trying to prevent Hitler from rising again, they put everything together so that Hitler could rise again.

Jean de la Fontaine said:
A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.
 
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Is the election tomorrow?
if some democratic steam isn't allowed to correct hugely unpopular policies like immigration... well, they are going to create Hitler 2.0. America will then seemingly be obligated to ride to the retards' rescue losing millions of American lives.

I keep trying to point this out to people. hitler did not just stroll out of art school and decide to throw Jews into ovens for fun. The nazis came to power because things were absolutely desperate in Germany. They weren’t like that in the uk. If the uk had been under such conditions what would we have done? If all of Europe had been pushing back against a pan European Weimar, would the allies have even existed? The war was pitched to people as being against German expansionism. Nobody at the start of the war was focused on camps, that’s a retconning done after the war.
Personally i don’t want to live under any kind of extreme regime left or right. But I do know that given a choice between the kind of horror communism causes and the kind that makes the trains run on time and just ignore these groups getting turned to ash people will pick order and not starving. People turned to the NS because they made most peoples lives better at the time.
I would just like a little swing back to about 1993, and we can leave it there. However our leaders seem hell bent on creating the worst conditions they possibly can do and so, we all end up with the consequences. People want leaders who will sort it out. That’s why trump was elected. Like the man or not, he is bashing out the work to change things. He’s a moderate, basically an old fashioned dem. Imagine if Europe gets a series of genuinely strong men, who are not moderates.
 
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