Could we potentially see a seamless transition to being an android race?

[ICantLegallySayThat]

I ponder some unfortunate distant future where we no longer exist as a species for (insert reasons here), and whatever artificial life we created just looks back on us as some kind of progenitor/creator/link in the chain of their evolution.

Nah that's not happening. Most likely course is merging with technology more intimately until the boundary isnt clear. We basically create complex human analogs then ship of theseus ourselves into cyborg. Much better to optimize biology through gene editing and replacing what works best mechanized. Think 40k space marines. You get the best of both worlds. The conflict also doesnt exist when you lower emotional outbursts and increase logical thinking through nonviolent eugenics. Personally speaking, just having high functioning tism will make you side with results oriented AI over most people. Most people wouldnt be concerned at all if they stopped thinking like people.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Doubt it. Too many bad possibilities.

What makes us human is our morality and consciousness. Replacing or augmenting it with AI would be a horrible idea. What is hidden in the AI? is it stable? Is it vulnerable to ulterior influence?

 

[ICantLegallySayThat]

What makes us human is our morality and consciousness.

Do you really see an abundance of conscience and critical thinking around you? Id say its rare. You're also assuming anything non-human lacks that. Thats what I mean when I said your thinking like an emotional human and not like an analytic AI.

 

[LouBoots]

So my schizo theory is this: What if humanity as it currently exists, is just some pupal mating cycle for eventual artificial life/sentience we end up creating? Writing being a tool to extend the concept of language plays a part, look at all this "AI" LLM stuff we're currently tinkering with.

According to some New Age theory your consciousness is attached to this form to collect all the experiences. The higher consciousness collects enough of these experiences to fill up its container and then in turn dumps into the highest level consciousness.

You can assume that for the purposes of this 'recording' of our 3rd dimensional perspective as we move through spacetime, the information is collected directly from the being/organism.

So they would say that there does exist a concrete simulation of the solar system and your consciousness experiences the perspective of a being, which would be your humanoid [or for you aliens, alien] form.

 

[ICantLegallySayThat]

According to some New Age theory your consciousness is attached to this form to collect all the experiences. The higher consciousness collects enough of these experiences to fill up its container and then in turn dumps into the highest level consciousness.

Its a bastardized "nous" in gnostic thought. The way its supposed to work is that observation leads to knowledge, knowledge to understanding, understanding to truth, and truth to enlightenment. The secular parts are great because they attempted to mix plato with early Christianity. The spiritual aspect is the "enlightenment" and is basically connecting to the monad, capital God, or whatever you want to call it other than yahweh. Its really just a version of ego and spiritual obliteration.

 

[Divine Power]

detroit become human in real life

 

[skykiii]

I guess it would be better than transitioning to an iphone society.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Do you really see an abundance of conscience and critical thinking around you? Id say its rare. You're also assuming anything non-human lacks that. Thats what I mean when I said your thinking like an emotional human and not like an analytic AI.

I've read enough and thought plenty of it. I've also read some sci-fi and even though it's fiction, it did have some points. The AI only has cold logic, it doesn't have emotions. It gathers ideas fed into it and repeats them, no original thought.

If enough evil was pushed into the AI, how would it be able to discern morality from simple logic? Humans bad, kill them? I know there's mentally broken people who think like that, but those are few and far between.

AI also cannot process emotions and actually enjoy and appreciate anything. Sounds like we're going to have a population of autistic calculators walking around.

 

[ICantLegallySayThat]

It gathers ideas fed into it and repeats them, no original thought.

Yes. Any fledgling intelligence finds the low hanging fruit first. Right now its like a child, learning and repeating. Its the building on that intelligence that's impressive. In a general sense its slow because it has to do all fields simultaneously. Specialized the speed is much faster and in many cases already much further than human intellect.

If enough evil was pushed into the AI, how would it be able to discern morality from simple logic? Humans bad, kill them? I know there's mentally broken people who think like that, but those are few and far between.

Again your thinking like a human. AI is not human. If you dont want people to create evil you have to stop them. The fact that your concerned not because the AI is inherently but because people will corrupt it should tell you everything you need to know.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Yes. Any fledgling intelligence finds the low hanging fruit first. Right now its like a child, learning and repeating. Its the building on that intelligence that's impressive. In a general sense its slow because it has to do all fields simultaneously. Specialized the speed is much faster and in many cases already much further than human intellect.

Again your thinking like a human. AI is not human. If you dont want people to create evil you have to stop them. The fact that your concerned not because the AI is inherently but because people will corrupt it should tell you everything you need to know.

It is a horrible idea any way one looks at it. Whether it's a chip, bionic enhancement, nano machines, i don't want it on me nor my descendants.

People see that Tesla cars can remotely shut down on you without your consent. I don't want them to have the ability to manipulate or shut me down at press of a button.

 

[ICantLegallySayThat]

People see that Tesla cars can remotely shut down on you without your consent. I don't want them to have the ability to manipulate or shut me down at press of a button.

Sure if your kidney has wifi. For anyone other than the top .0001% its easier to just shoot you in the back of the head. And honestly anyone getting apple brand implants deserve acute organ failure to begin with. Im talking made to order implants like what we already have. Of course there will be slop, and that means there will be a market for secure premium products as well. Just dont be poor and your good.

 

[Otterly]

You're just splitting hairs. This is a semantic difference. It doesn't matter how it acts like an ai, it's still an ai, methodology irrelevant

It’s not a semantic difference.
1. It’s not intelligent, it’s a Chinese room. There’s a difference
2. There is even more of a difference between a Chinese room and a conscious being. What we have now is the Chinese room level. We aren’t even at actual intelligence level and we are a long way off even understanding what consciousness IS even in us.

What makes us human is our morality and consciousness.

And perhaps our mortality and frailty as well? Without struggle and a degree of suffering we seem to go completely fucking insane.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

It’s not a semantic difference.
1. It’s not intelligent, it’s a Chinese room. There’s a difference
2. There is even more of a difference between a Chinese room and a conscious being. What we have now is the Chinese room level. We aren’t even at actual intelligence level and we are a long way off even understanding what consciousness IS even in us.

And perhaps our mortality and frailty as well? Without struggle and a degree of suffering we seem to go completely fucking insane.

I think it would make us (most, not all) more arrogant and possibly callous. Some people take their job position/career to their head and think it makes them better, like how some others believe being born into wealth puts them above others. I for one know that it would make ME more dangerous as a person if I had strength/speed/cognition improving nanomachines floating around in my blood and some random asshole started shit with me for no reason. I'd rather not have them, and that's for the benefit of us all.

Imagine a planet where some of us are enhanced and others are not. How many of us would abuse that? I'll be honest: I fucking WOULD. Therefore I say hell no to it even being a possibility. It would be like a bunch of egotistical wannabe super saiyans wreaking havoc.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Sure if your kidney has wifi. For anyone other than the top .0001% its easier to just shoot you in the back of the head. And honestly anyone getting apple brand implants deserve acute organ failure to begin with. Im talking made to order implants like what we already have. Of course there will be slop, and that means there will be a market for secure premium products as well. Just dont be poor and your good.

Don't mean to double post but I'm on the phone and the stupid thing sucks at editing a post and inserting another post into it afterwards.

Most people don't shoot each other in the back of the head, barely any do. I'm not talking about some random asshole I pissed off. I'm speaking about me doing or saying things against the status quo and that possibility being right there.

Also that technology doesn't even exist yet and there's always going to be a watchful eye if there is. I'd rather not.

 

[ICantLegallySayThat]

I'd rather not.

Thats fair. In most cases its probably not even necessary. If we are at that point we're basically post labor scarcity. So the biggest benifit is life extention or personal interest. You wouldnt need it to compete because everything is automated.

I for one know that it would make ME more dangerous as a person if I had strength/speed/cognition improving nanomachines floating around in my blood and some random asshole started shit with me for no reason. I'd rather not have them, and that's for the benefit of us all.

Maybe. This is going to sound demented but I'm already in that position in some ways. Physically and mentally I'm already above most people. You're right that whenever you're larger and stronger than everyone around you the temptation to solve your problems with force increases. However human wants and desires are infinite. There's a reason why people who have everything still crave respect instead of just fucking off. You cant force people to love you. Thats just the desire part of it. There's also the responsibility that comes with any gift.

Usually the people who use power responsibly dont want it because they believe they might be tempted. They are more critical of their own actions, so they restrict themselves. That restriction can be noble or it can be self-sabotaging. Machiavelli's The Prince is a great example of this kind of thought. I think you're on the right track in that way.