Creepy Unsolved Mysteries - From unsolved murders to unidentified people to unexplained supernatural events, what are some of the creepiest unsolved mysteries you've ever heard of?

[Bonesjones]

The reasons are that his and the killer's way of walking are similar (the camera man seems to have noticed that too, considering how much he zooms in on the guy), and that he's an ex-cop that was suspended from the force after being convicted of aggravated sexual assault in 1996.

If you notice his feet straighten out when he's walking, the killers stay splayed out. The killer also moves their hips when they stand, which men don't do because our hips are entirely different. I think it's probably someone wearing a too big uniform, including shoes. So it would be interesting if any cops' families were checked out.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

If you've been around anyone who is normally not violent and they are doing something violent, they have to psych themselves up. You can always see it, guy in a crowd pacing around clenching his fists before he sucker punches someone for example.

I'm pretty sure it's a woman from the limp wristed swings to the exaggerated male gait, guys tend to stand with their feet at a 45 degree angle to each other but walk more straight footed.

That's a stretch. Burglar would have something in case of an encounter with a witness, like a gun or something to knock them off. Killer would have a weapon since there could be nothing to kill with at the scene and killing someone with bare hands is difficult. If the thing about her getting killed with a hammer from the scene is true, then it only confirms that the murder was unplanned or that the perpetrator didn't plan to kill this exact woman.

 

[CoolFool]

The security officer is not the killer. I know he would make the perfect perp on paper (He has a history of sexually assaulting women plus he walks funny) but he was ruled out because he's way too big and tall. His house was still thoroughly searched since everyone brought it up, and they didn't find anything.

There is some confusion about Missy's death. What is factual is that she was both shot and she was also beaten and stabbed with whatever object the killer was carrying (I don't think they have ever released what the killer used, a lot think it was a hammer or screwdriver). IIRC, she was stabbed in the face and chest, then shot in the head.

The confusion of Missy's cause of death stems from when her death was first reported, it was said she died from puncture wounds. But now it appears to be that she died by gun shot after the FBI released their homicide statistics, which stated one homicide death by gunshot in the county that Missy lived in. There was only one death in that county at the time, which was Missy, so everyone is now assuming that her death was caused by the gun shot wounds rather than the stabbings.

 

[lurkin]

The whole thing is weird. I think about Richard Trenton Chase, who would just randomly go into houses if the front door was unlocked and murder everyone inside in savage ways. But he was actually such a feral animal he wouldn't even try to cover his tracks.

Good lord Chase's wiki is a fucking freakshow in itself. That guys an MK ultra patient.

 

[Well Intentioned]

There is some confusion about Missy's death. What is factual is that she was both shot and she was also beaten and stabbed with whatever object the killer was carrying (I don't think they have ever released what the killer used, a lot think it was a hammer or screwdriver). IIRC, she was stabbed in the face and chest, then shot in the head.

The confusion of Missy's cause of death stems from when her death was first reported, it was said she died from puncture wounds. But now it appears to be that she died by gun shot after the FBI released their homicide statistics, which stated one homicide death by gunshot in the county that Missy lived in. There was only one death in that county at the time, which was Missy, so everyone is now assuming that her death was caused by the gun shot wounds rather than the stabbings.

I tried looking into this and the only thing that came up was one person on reddit saying the same thing, unsourced, and citing the murderdata.org website.

You'd think a significant detail like this would have more media coverage, particularly since in cases like these the media love to jump on new details that are 'newsworthy.'

 

[Grub]

I just watched the Missy Bever surveillance video not really knowing anything about the case other than what you guys have been saying in this thread and I think I agree with the people saying it was a woman in the riot gear. I was going back and forth the whole time watching but there's a few points where it was for sure a woman or a short effeminate man. The only reason I really even say short effeminate man is the parts where the person's walking is kind of hard to tell but any time they stop in front of one of the doors their stance and actions just look feminine.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

The whole thing is weird. I think about Richard Trenton Chase, who would just randomly go into houses if the front door was unlocked and murder everyone inside in savage ways. But he was actually such a feral animal he wouldn't even try to cover his tracks.

God, I vaguely remember this loon. Nightmare fuel for tonight. I had to check to make sure our doors are locked.

 

[one_time_user]

I think we can all be right if it's a pooner.

 

[CoolFool]

I just watched the Missy Bever surveillance video not really knowing anything about the case other than what you guys have been saying in this thread and I think I agree with the people saying it was a woman in the riot gear. I was going back and forth the whole time watching but there's a few points where it was for sure a woman or a short effeminate man. The only reason I really even say short effeminate man is the parts where the person's walking is kind of hard to tell but any time they stop in front of one of the doors their stance and actions just look feminine.

I go back and forth as well. On the one hand, the killer is short (5'2-5'8 estimated), and there are rumors that Missy was sleeping with a married man, so it would make sense for an angry woman to want revenge on her. Missy also taught mostly or only women in her workout classes, so it would make sense for a woman to know her routine. The stabbing in the face also feels like something an angry and jealous woman would do, especially if she felt like her husband cheated on her with someone prettier. It seems like whenever I read about men stabbing women, they go for the stomach, crotch, or throat, not really the face.

On the other hand, I feel like the person in the video looked too calm. For some reason, I can't really picture a woman acting that way. I also find it hard to believe that Missy couldn't fight back and take down a fellow woman (especially a short and lumbering one) when she is a fitness instructor and in great shape.

Then again, last I checked, it's never been released if Missy fought back or not. Maybe it was a woman and she tried to stab Missy to death (or not even kill her, just injure her) but it wasn't working out as planned, Missy was putting up a good fight, so that's why the female killer shot her in the head. Who knows. It sucks that LE and FBI are keeping so many details quiet, but I suppose they have a reason for it.

 

[Grub]

I go back and forth as well. On the one hand, the killer is short (5'2-5'8 estimated), and there are rumors that Missy was sleeping with a married man, so it would make sense for an angry woman to want revenge on her.

I showed the video to my wife after I posted the comment and didn't really give her any context other than people on the internet were arguing about it. She said pretty much the same thing that it looks like a man when they walk but a woman when they stand.

On the other hand, I feel like the person in the video looked too calm. For some reason, I can't really picture a woman acting that way. I also find it hard to believe that Missy couldn't fight back and take down a fellow woman (especially a short and lumbering one) when she is a fitness instructor and in great shape.

Maybe. Some women can be fairly rough. Just look at your typical roadside flagger who's been doing it for a few years. Those kinda rough butch type women. They can appear fairly calm and manlike in situations where a lot of women wouldn't be. Women that spend a lot of time around men in male dominated professions also tend to walk more like men but will still do the girly stand thing. I've seen it working on construction sites. You see the short little women strutting around like a dude when they're moving around but as soon as they stop they'll stand hip cocked to the side or whatever like a chick.

Missy was putting up a good fight, so that's why the female killer shot her in the head.

So did she actually get shot? I saw some people saying she did but others saying she wasn't shot only beaten.

 

[AnOminous]

The issue, though, is why go to all the effort to disguise yourself from head to toe but not bring a murder weapon?

Considering the fact they actually committed a murder using a weapon, they did in fact bring a murder weapon. The one they used. The question is whether they intended to use that specific weapon for that specific purpose.

That's where it gets hard to go all Spencer Reid from Criminal Minds because wtf?

The whole thing doesn't make sense and it's hard to put a motive or personal characteristics on whoever would do this. If murdering someone this specific way was a signature, you'd expect to see it somewhere else. You'd expect someone with that bizarre of a ritual to do it again. You look at this and wonder why? What was going on in the head of whoever did this?

And it's really a blank. Who did this? Why? What kind of person did this? It's hard to know.

Profile this, bitch.

 

[CoolFool]

So did she actually get shot? I saw some people saying she did but others saying she wasn't shot only beaten.

This will likely be a frustrating answer. The short answer is yes, she was shot, but no, you won't find LE or FBI confirming this. LE/FBI has never come out and said either way. I have no idea why they won't come out and just say "She was shot" or "She wasn't shot", obviously they have some reason for doing it, I'm assuming it has to do with not tipping off the murderer about how much they know. Even when people did FOIA requests, they could not get a definite answer either way.

How do we know she was shot? For one thing, even back when this case was fresh, several confirmed family members and local community members said she was shot as well as stabbed. The other reason is that FBI crime statistic. Yes, some will argue it is a weak lead. But there is literally only one confirmed murder in Ellis County in 2016 (The county and year Missy was murdered). Trust me when I say that YouTubers, podcasters, crime sleuths, and redditors have searched up and down trying to any other proof that someone else was murdered in that time frame and they have come up with nothing, the only confirmed person murdered in that county and in that year is Missy. https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/thomas.hargrove/viz/Victims_15571805795660/SHRMain <- this is a good site to verify this yourself. It's Ellis County TX, 2016, murder, and then check gun.

The was another reason. There was something in a warrant that eluded to her being shot and there being bullets. This one I can't remember, I was really invested in this years ago so my memory is fuzzy. But either way, the answer is that yes she was shot and beaten/mutilated with another object (Rumor is hammer or screw driver).

 

[Well Intentioned]

Considering the fact they actually committed a murder using a weapon, they did in fact bring a murder weapon. The one they used. The question is whether they intended to use that specific weapon for that specific purpose.

My understanding is that the murder weapon was a hammer that was at the church. Is that incorrect?

Profile this, bitch.

It's hard to do that given we don't have all the particulars on the case. Even methodology between psychopathic and psychotic murderers has overlap.

IIRC, psychotic murderers tend to engage in 'blitz' style attacks or 'overkill' whereas psychopathic murderers tend to be more measured and deliberate. But they aren't hardstuck rules.

'Crimes of passion' and revenge murders can also fall on this divide -- someone may strike out in an unhinged manner, but they might also be calculating and plan for it.

There are some signs which can be indicators on whether the murderer knew the victim. It is common for victims to be turned over, facing down or have their face covered in some way.

We're dealing with an incomplete picture so it is hard to draw firm conclusions one way or another.

 

[AnOminous]

My understanding is that the murder weapon was a hammer that was at the church. Is that incorrect?

Maybe. The general consensus is that at some point in the process, she was shot. The authorities have deliberately (and perhaps for good reason) confuzzled that particular aspect.

This case is so old, though, that if they really wanted to solve it, it seems it would be time for open disclosure. It's not like it would obstruct the (utterly nonexistent) progress the case has seen.

I mean unless the murderer was actually a cop. That might explain a few things.

 

[Well Intentioned]

So did she actually get shot? I saw some people saying she did but others saying she wasn't shot only beaten.

There's no official source and anything indicating that she was shot, just non-LE sources like murderdata.org or that link I'm quoting below.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/thomas.hargrove/viz/Victims_15571805795660/SHRMain <- this is a good site to verify this yourself. It's Ellis County TX, 2016, murder, and then check gun.

Trying to go through that and figure out the actual source beyond 'FBI' makes me wonder if this was a clerical error.

Interestingly, actually referring to the FBI's site:

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/shr

(Using Ellis County from March 2016 > July 2016, which produces one result.)

You get the result you're talking about, but it is also classified as a robbery and the victim's age as being 30-39. Bevers was 45, was she not?

So did they fuck up listing it as a robbery or the victim's age, and if they did, is it possible they fucked up the murder weapon used, too?

 

[CoolFool]

There's no official source and anything indicating that she was shot, just non-LE sources like murderdata.org or that link I'm quoting below.

LE and FBI have not confirmed either way, and they won't.

So did they fuck up listing it as a robbery or the victim's age, and if they did, is it possible they fucked up the murder weapon used, too?

I have no idea how to search the FBI URC data from the official FBI source, but inaccurate data was already brought up, disputed, and debated. The FBI UCR report is old news at this point and verified as being true by comptent investigators and autists that go to extreme lengths to verify claims regarding Missy.

I do encourage you to keep looking and find the source of these claims though. I cannot be bothered; I was really (REALLY) interested in this case years ago, and followed private investigators, journalists, retired LE, and competent autists who followed these leads and who went out of their way to verify and not assume anything. Unfortunately, this information is all scattered on various forums, personal blogs, podcasts, and YouTube videos, in fact the best data with receipts was on YouTube, but I do not have it in me to watch hours of videos again.

Sorry if that sounds lazy and very "trust me bro", But I simply do not have the free time that I once did to get sucked back into this case and to find the source, especially when it's common questions and stuff that were answered years ago. That said, I still encourage you to keep digging and reading, and sharing what you find.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Remember, even if it was sourced from the officials there is always room for error. Byuu was considered alive for almost two years because of one.
My theory is that she was killed by 50 Blessings for having a secret connection to Russian mobsters. We should check records for furry attacks in the area.

 

[CoolFool]

Despite saying I would not bother getting sucked back into this case, I did end up staying up late trying to confirm the data. I did end up finding the official FBI data on their (garbage) website. You can't go by the county, you have to search by the actual police that handled it, and that would be the Midlothian city police (That's the city the church was in and where Missy was murdered). It lists the correct age range (40-49) and hand gun, and the correct month and year.

Can I just say, no wonder there are third party sites that scraped the FBI crime data and made their own interface to search the data. The FBI's official website fucking sucks.

 

[glass_houses]

Women that spend a lot of time around men in male dominated professions also tend to walk more like men but will still do the girly stand thing. I've seen it working on construction sites. You see the short little women strutting around like a dude when they're moving around but as soon as they stop they'll stand hip cocked to the side or whatever like a chick.

A lot of the gait differences (imho) are due to footwear. I spent most of my working life in steel caps; outside of work I wore appropriate feminine footwear, and the switch was not always instinctual. High heels are definitely hard to wear for many women, but even a fashionable pair of flats has a constraint on how you move. Walking in steel caps is closer to barefoot than a strappy pair of sandals. Aside from the shoes themselves, many women are taught as girls how to walk "properly", a classically feminine gait.

 

[Grub]

A lot of the gait differences (imho) are due to footwear. I spent most of my working life in steel caps; outside of work I wore appropriate feminine footwear, and the switch was not always instinctual. High heels are definitely hard to wear for many women, but even a fashionable pair of flats has a constraint on how you move. Walking in steel caps is closer to barefoot than a strappy pair of sandals. Aside from the shoes themselves, many women are taught as girls how to walk "properly", a classically feminine gait.

I've never really thought of walking in steel toes as feeling like barefoot. More like wearing a big chunky armoured boot that makes your foot weigh twice as much.

Just look at your typical roadside flagger who's been doing it for a few years. Those kinda rough butch type women

I'm quote myself here because funny enough as I was driving this morning they were doing some hydro work on the highway and they had some flaggers and one of them was this really faggy looking dude and as I was sitting there watching this guy the way he moved and stood was exactly the same as the person in the riot gear. He even stood with the girly heel lift and was kinda short and a bit chonky. Even the way he held his sign reminded me of the way the person smashed the window with the hammer. Now i'm even more unsure.