Crusader Kings 3 - Its Crusader Kings 2 with a paint job

[mindlessobserver]

Being a big fan of Crusader Kings 2, I have decided to give Crusader Kings 3 a whirl. And unlike most Paradox releases, its not a buggy broken mess! They are evolving! I guess all that Stellaris Money has allowed them to pay for some competent coders. That said though, I fail to see any meaningful difference between this game and Crusader Kings 2 mechanically. the only major differences I have run into so far are more expansive skill trees, a bigger map (each city, castle, and temple is now a location), but I am on the fence if that is actually an "improvement". It makes things more cluttered. And the Map just loves to show off its 3d rendering when you zoom in, while conveniently erasing political boundaries. It forces you to squint to figure out what you have and what your opponent has. Everything else flows just like it does in CK 2. Marry, have kids, fabricate claims. All with very minor or no difference. For example the Fabricate Claim is now done by your priest instead of your chancellor. And in true Paradox Fashion, its very clear there will be an endless parade of DLC for it.

Mediocre and playable. If you've never played Crusader Kings, you will probably get way more enjoyment then me who logged way too many hours into the previous game, so it may be a better experience for you. CK is definitely a top tier strategy game.

 

[Troonos]

“6. There’s no “Deus Vult”.

In the years since CK2’s release, “Deus Vult” – an eleventh century crusader battlecry – has become a vile meme beloved of racists on the internet. I asked how Paradox’s community team felt about this, and was told emphatically that the words will not appear in Crusader Kings 3. That’s refreshing, but in a game set during a time of conflicts fetishised by modern fascists, it’s the tip of the iceberg. I’ll be writing more about how Paradox are handling the political sensitivities of making a game about the crusades, and how they’re handling the representation of non-European cultures, in the weeks to come.”

Paradox can get bent. I'm not giving them any more of my money. Cowards willing to bend the knee to the woke brigade deserve to fail.

 

[Absolutego]

Amazing how there was this massive leap in quality in the 5 years between CK1 and CK2, yet so little difference in the 8 years between CK2 and CK3.
I think I'm over Paradox games. As much as I love CK2 and EU4, the success of those games stagnated the studio's creativity. Someone else needs to approach the Grand Strategy genre than Swedes.

 

[Milkis]

I tried it on MS game pass for about 10 minutes and dropped it.

• it looks like the sims
• the UI is extremely low information density
• you can't choose arbitrary start dates
• i have no idea why sexual orientation is made a first-class piece of information, although I can easily guess why
• why can't you see holding tile boundaries
• all the events in CK2 had a nice little descriptive image on them. now you just get a big 3/4 animated portrait of the event target. were they too lazy to do event pictures again?
• why is one entire corner of the UI empty, that's the infinite target zone, you always put stuff in the corners
• the zoomed-out map is (IMO) buttfuck ugly and looks like some GNU aspie made it in Qt
  
  I know why PDOX is doing this, because they're moving towards appealing to normies. They did the same thing with HOI4. But I liked the old style of Vicky 2 and DH. I guess they've just moved on from appealing to people like me,
  
  
  

 

[Chilson]

I like the character aspect more because traits do seem to have more of a profound impact on your characters physical appearance. But, Jesus Christ is it an absolute bitch to find characters, chase armies, and I fucking hate the UI with a passion. Its oddly enough easier to find characters in CK2 because the portraits genuinely look super different based on location, where as some jagoff in Africa could easily pass for some dude in the Himalayas. And why have a tooltip that exists specifically to find characters that DISAPPEARS when I take my mouse off the button that impacts said characters. Its fucking infuriating.

Its a shame because I like the fact that Plots and fabrication's are no longer as much an RNG mess designed to make you hate yourself and army management/mercenaries are genuinely improved even if I have no idea what terrain penalties I get.

Paradox can get bent. I'm not giving them any more of my money. Cowards willing to bend the knee to the woke brigade deserve to fail.

I am pretty sure they added back Deus Vult.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Paradox can get bent. I'm not giving them any more of my money. Cowards willing to bend the knee to the woke brigade deserve to fail.

They re-added it you dumb nigger

 

[Slimy Time]

I am pretty sure they added back Deus Vult.

Do they still have jihads? Picked up CK2 when it became free, spent a bit of money buying the most essential and cheapest of DLC add ons, not really willing to drop more money on a CK3 at the moment. Maybe a bit later if it's updated well.

 

[HeyYou]

Paradox can get bent. I'm not giving them any more of my money. Cowards willing to bend the knee to the woke brigade deserve to fail.

It's in the game. Either because they did 30 seconds of brain work and realized it's an actual historical term or Rock Paper Shotgun lied about its removal in the first place.

Anyways, as expected, it's mediocre but a good enough template for expansions. They need to fix the fucking UI though.

 

[Kane Lives]

It's in the game. Either because they did 30 seconds of brain work and realized it's an actual historical term or Rock Paper Shotgun lied about its removal in the first place.

Anyways, as expected, it's mediocre but a good enough template for expansions. They need to fix the fucking UI though.

At this point, anyone who buys Paradox games at launch deserves to lose their money for being willing beta-testers for the rest of us.

 

[President Joe Biden]

I know why PDOX is doing this, because they're moving towards appealing to normies. They did the same thing with HOI4. But I liked the old style of Vicky 2 and DH. I guess they've just moved on from appealing to people like me,

you mean paypigs. normalfaggots buy a game and maybe an expansion. mongoloids buy 20 DLC packages because "this one has horses! think about all the reddit memes!" It's a business model that shits all over the retard giving them money. They stretch out an expansion with $25 worth of content into $100 of little improvements and paint jobs. For Cities Skylines they literally just sell you mods people made. The only worse offender I can think of is the people who make the Train Simulator series, I think if you had that particular strain of autism, that would run you over $1,000. The video game industry is downright predatory to children and high-functioning mentally handicapped people. I don't know why you would even bother with CK3 after what they did with HOI, the writing was on the wall well before they forced a launcher across all their games. They're up there with Ubi, EA, and Bethesda as shitty publishers, but they don't get the same vitriol. I'm not even mad about it, it's just that I own a PC because I don't like mobile games, but that's all anyone wants to make anymore.

 

[Blackstar]

Having a lower spec laptop I didn't expect to be able to run it but I tried it out on gamepass and it ran just as well as ck2 did, congrats ck3 coders on doing good on that.

It is still barebones having left out a shitton from ck2 for some fucking reason and some mechanics such as converting cultures and religion are really bad since you can click a button and minorites that survived for centuries such as Christians in the middle east are gone in a couple years.
I have no idea why it seems that they decided to make ck3 without thinking of adding shit from ck2. Treasures were a bit out of balance but still nice to have, as well as being able to smith weapons, armour, jewels and having events to treasure hunt for cool things. Societies were also cool to have and all these things could've been put in ck3 but with more depth, but it's more important to sell them again as a dlc for 20 bucks in a year or 2.

Also the ui is shit, instead of having individual alerts to know when you can educate a child or grant a title it's all been put into a single alert tab. At least custom religions are cool I guess. I like men at arms, the economy and culture as well.

I would give it a 6/10 because paradox has never been able to release a game that isn't barebones. I'm glad viccy 3 hasn't been released because it would probably also be in a similar state and that would be shameful. I'll probably fuck around for a week or 2 and return to ck2 or eu4

 

[President Joe Biden]

Having a lower spec laptop I didn't expect to be able to run it but I tried it out on gamepass and it ran just as well as ck2 did, congrats ck3 coders on doing good on that.

It is still barebones having left out a shitton from ck2 for some fucking reason and some mechanics such as converting cultures and religion are really bad since you can click a button and minorites that survived for centuries such as Christians in the middle east are gone in a couple years.
I have no idea why it seems that they decided to make ck3 without thinking of adding shit from ck2. Treasures were a bit out of balance but still nice to have, as well as being able to smith weapons, armour, jewels and having events to treasure hunt for cool things. Societies were also cool to have and all these things could've been put in ck3 but with more depth, but it's more important to sell them again as a dlc for 20 bucks in a year or 2.

Also the ui is shit, instead of having individual alerts to know when you can educate a child or grant a title it's all been put into a single alert tab. At least custom religions are cool I guess. I like men at arms, the economy and culture as well.

I would give it a 6/10 because paradox has never been able to release a game that isn't barebones. I'm glad viccy 3 hasn't been released because it would probably also be in a similar state and that would be shameful. I'll probably fuck around for a week or 2 and return to ck2 or eu4

@Milkis This is exactly what I was talking about. It's like watching a domestic violence episode on COPS.

 

[Jarolleon]

So are the character models androgynous in this game because the art team was rushed (seriously, the model for women with the giant trait looks like the Gigachad meme shaved and wearing drag), or because the art team consists of Tumblrettes who think that drawing characters with easily discernable gender is sexist/objectification/transphobia?

Other than that and a few suspiciously DLC-shaped holes in the feature list it's alright so far.

Do they still have jihads? Picked up CK2 when it became free, spent a bit of money buying the most essential and cheapest of DLC add ons, not really willing to drop more money on a CK3 at the moment. Maybe a bit later if it's updated well.

Yes, but like in ck2 the "Renewed Jihad" event is a response to Muslims losing a section of land (such as Jerusalem).

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

Yeah, I can't recommend this yet. There's some good templates for ideas but it's so bland right now. CK2 has better content and a UI that isn't a nightmare to navigate.

Paradox was willing to basically remake Stellaris' foundation after release so I'm hoping they put the effort into fixing CK3.

It's in the game. Either because they did 30 seconds of brain work and realized it's an actual historical term or Rock Paper Shotgun lied about its removal in the first place.

Anyways, as expected, it's mediocre but a good enough template for expansions. They need to fix the fucking UI though.

Paradox said in the most polite, non-confrontational way possible that, "RPS lied," ages ago. Still see a lot of people here repeating RPS' article without paying attention to what Paradox actually said.

 

[Gangster Talk]

Paradox can get bent. I'm not giving them any more of my money. Cowards willing to bend the knee to the woke brigade deserve to fail.

This was literally always clickbait garbage that some journalist pulled out of their ass. "Deus Vult" is in the game and screenshots showed "Deus Vult" was in the game at the time this retarded meme was published.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Paradox said in the most polite, non-confrontational way possible that, "RPS lied," ages ago. Still see a lot of people here repeating RPS' article without paying attention to what Paradox actually said.

Game journalists have worked hard to earn the trust of gamers, its only natural that everone would believe everything they say non-critically.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Got 3, hope it's worth it.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Having a lower spec laptop I didn't expect to be able to run it but I tried it out on gamepass and it ran just as well as ck2 did, congrats ck3 coders on doing good on that.

It is still barebones having left out a shitton from ck2 for some fucking reason and some mechanics such as converting cultures and religion are really bad since you can click a button and minorites that survived for centuries such as Christians in the middle east are gone in a couple years.
I have no idea why it seems that they decided to make ck3 without thinking of adding shit from ck2. Treasures were a bit out of balance but still nice to have, as well as being able to smith weapons, armour, jewels and having events to treasure hunt for cool things. Societies were also cool to have and all these things could've been put in ck3 but with more depth, but it's more important to sell them again as a dlc for 20 bucks in a year or 2.

Also the ui is shit, instead of having individual alerts to know when you can educate a child or grant a title it's all been put into a single alert tab. At least custom religions are cool I guess. I like men at arms, the economy and culture as well.

I would give it a 6/10 because paradox has never been able to release a game that isn't barebones. I'm glad viccy 3 hasn't been released because it would probably also be in a similar state and that would be shameful. I'll probably fuck around for a week or 2 and return to ck2 or eu4

Attila Total War had a sort 'tradition' value or local wonder which kept a province as Moslem, pagan, Christian, whatever. The super assimilation CK2 has is something despotisms the world over would have loved, but never had. Sad they strip out features in order rape us Paradox fans aka paypigs aka marks.

 

[Blackstar]

Attila Total War had a sort 'tradition' value or local wonder which kept a province as Moslem, pagan, Christian, whatever. The super assimilation CK2 has is something despotisms the world over would have loved, but never had. Sad they strip out features in order rape us Paradox fans aka paypigs aka marks.

It's a shame they haven't bothered to introduce a population system like viccy 2. Having that instead of just a single number for development would've been much better. Thankfully there's someone who wanted to overhaul HIP from ck2 into a bigger mod called AVE MARIA, having more systems and population, which he already setup in an alpha build but moved to ck3 after seeing it's potential.
Hopefully this mod will fix these problems, the creator had a few dev diaries showing what he wanted to do in ck2 and what he will port to ck3 and it looks promising, dm me if you wanna join the discord for updates

 

[Stoneheart]

Didnt buy, im so proud of myself!