CWCki Improvement Thread

[asperhes]

I still think we need a "starting point" or something linked from the front page that could give readers an overview of his life and how to navigate the site. On this page, we could link to the timeline and the sagas page so people could do a more detailed dive. The timeline and sagas are great because all the detailed information is already there. Now it's just a matter or organizing and presenting it. I think you'd also want to link to the "essay" part of the site "Chris and his mindset" - my favorite part of the site.

When I first got interested in Chris, it took me a long time to figure out where to even start on the CWCKI. I knew all the information was there, but didn't know where to start. There was so much content and it was hard to organize it. It really wasn't until the documentary came out that I could piece it all together. And even for the most loyal and honest Sonichu fans, it could be a helpful reference page.

I'm not sure how we could improve on the status quo. The front page already has a biography (your "starting point"), a list of the most important pages, and links to the timeline and major sagas. "New to the CWCki? Check this out!"--you don't see these words? There's an "Article of the Now" and a running chronological "update" for current news, as well as "This Day in Christory" for past events. If you see ways in which the front page could be tweaked, I could understand that, but claiming that there's no organization doesn't make sense to me.

I think the biography needs major updating and revisions, but as the holiest of holies, I'm afraid to touch this article. The biography SHOULD be of the same caliber as the documentary, and do for you what the documentary did.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I too am reluctant to change a lot of the older pages.

It's almost like messing around with the Bible. Maybe we could archive them as CWCiki 1.0.

Be a shame to just wipe out such history.

 

[asperhes]

I too am reluctant to change a lot of the older pages.

It's almost like messing around with the Bible. Maybe we could archive them as CWCiki 1.0.

Be a shame to just wipe out such history.

There are some old articles that I think are perfect and are brilliantly written. I wish they could be frozen and protected from editing, but I don't know who would have the authority to make this decision, and it would be a contravention of the spirit of wikiing. I think I'll just have to be satisfied with just reversing edits I don't like. As long as Chris is still alive, the CWCki has to be a living document.

There's always the Wayback Machine for nostalgia.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Marv is head honcho I believe when it comes to the wiki so just talk with him about it. I agree a lot of the older pages are awesome and should be locked.

I'm pretty sure Champ is done with the wiki but don't quote me on that.

 

[Red_Rager]

There are some old articles that I think are perfect and are brilliantly written. I wish they could be frozen and protected from editing, but I don't know who would have the authority to make this decision, and it would be a contravention of the spirit of wikiing. I think I'll just have to be satisfied with just reversing edits I don't like. As long as Chris is still alive, the CWCki has to be a living document.

There's always the Wayback Machine for nostalgia.

Somebody who is really dedicated and has the storage could just use wget on the whole the wiki and then reupload it somewhere else.
http://www.dheinemann.com/2011/archiving-with-wget/

 

[Marvin]

I'm reluctant to lock pages. But, of course, lots of the cwcki is fantastic and we don't want to lose that.

Basically, I'd like gradual, valuable modifications. If someone's making dramatic, retarded changes, let me know and we can hash it out.

 

[asperhes]

Marv is head honcho I believe when it comes to the wiki so just talk with him about it. I agree a lot of the older pages are awesome and should be locked.

I'm pretty sure Champ is done with the wiki but don't quote me on that.

I was thinking more about moral authority than technical ability. There should be a consensus-building effort for something so important. I don't actually think any pages should be locked because I don't like the precedent it would set.

 

[Flowerwall]

Just thought I'd toss in a couple thoughts here too, because there's one page that's always bugged me: "Chris and Sexism", which is actually just a redirect to "Women's Rights". I've always thought this page was kind of lacking (although I was pleased that there were some updates to it recently), which is a shame because Chris's oblivious yet blatant sexism has always been so fascinating to me. I think this page could go into a lot more depth, on the level of the other "Chris and..." pages. It could be expanded to point out a lot more of his bad behaviors and mindsets (because Chris definitely has no shortage of examples), along with some insight as to how it happens and why he sees no problem with it at all and continues to think he's a women's rights champion. Considering that he now considers himself a woman and yet continues to harbor a lot of sexist ideas, I think it's even more worth delving into.

 

[LyR]

Eh, the a-log shit of the past is pretty annoying. People are trying to make a break with that, and yeah, occasionally, they overcompensate in the other direction.

What I was trying to say is that some members instantly belittle & label other members as a-logs & weens (even though they are clearly not) for whatever reason; mostly because they don't agree.
Of course it's embarrasing if it's forced humour/try hard trolling but that was not my point I was trying to make & I would say this is rarely the case. It's mostly spergs getting anal about something so they have to instantly discredit them.

Just look at all the harsh negative ratings members gave me :^) because they don't agree with me. Also, this rather daft rating system has the reddit problem where almost everyone is trying to one-up themselves to get points/thumb ups or whatever. It basically enables those try hards.

To me everyone who bothered & abused Chris is a wanker, a-log, ween or whatever terminology kids use these days. The thing is, it really doesn't matter how cleverly or obviously someone trolled Chris.
You guys are basically arguing about who is the bigger/lesser arsehole. A debate clearly worth having & arguing about, innit.



PS: protip to the two wankers who called me a stupid autistic gay limey via pm, just because I use British English doesn't mean I'm from there you daft burger inhaling yanks. I just choose to learn the original, better, proper English :^)

 

[Marvin]

What I was trying to say is that some members instantly belittle & label other members as a-logs & weens (even though they are clearly not) for whatever reason; mostly because they don't agree.
Of course it's embarrasing if it's forced humour/try hard trolling but that was not my point I was trying to make & I would say this is rarely the case. It's mostly spergs getting anal about something so they have to instantly discredit them.

I guess? I don't know, I don't really encounter that sort of behavior that often. I see stuff I don't like, but it usually takes the form of minority opinions that don't really bother me.

To me everyone who bothered & abused Chris is a wanker, a-log, ween or whatever terminology kids use these days. The thing is, it really doesn't matter how cleverly or obviously someone trolled Chris.
You guys are basically arguing about who is the lesser arsehole. A debate clearly worth arguing about, innit.

To some people, Chris is something like a long running soap opera, or perhaps professional wrestling. It's not high class entertainment, admittedly, but it's still pretty engaging to the people who follow it.

 

[kobebyarlant]

PS: protip to the two wankers who called me a stupid autistic gay limey via pm, just because I use British English doesn't mean I'm from there you daft burger inhaling yanks. I just choose to learn the original, better, proper English :^)

Spoiler: No.

Just stop.

 

[CharlieBrowns]

I've brought some buns for all the beef in this thread.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Anyway, about that wiki: does anyone else think it might be a good idea to remove some of the real people's last names? I think nothing of importance would be lost if we just referred to Megan, the high school gal-pals, etc. by first name only, or first name plus last initial.

 

[Some JERK]

I don't visit the CWCki often, but I sometimes notice that events listed in "Da' update" aren't linked to anything specific. For example currently there's a listing on Da' update which says:

• 9 June - A sequel to Sonic Boom is announced and Chris bitches about it.

But there's no easy way to follow that to any further info, the only links are to the Sonic Boom protests and "Chris and Anger", but I have to dig through that page to find what the bullet point is referencing. This happens with things Chris posts on Facebook a lot. You're forced to slog through Chris's voluminous Facebook antics to find a specific relevant entry or picture.

Edit: Of course usually it's going to be the last entry on the page, but sometimes the update bullet-points don't go anywhere specific at all.

 

[HarryHowler]

Anyway, about that wiki: does anyone else think it might be a good idea to remove some of the real people's last names? I think nothing of importance would be lost if we just referred to Megan, the high school gal-pals, etc. by first name only, or first name plus last initial.

I think the boat's kind of sailed on that one. For one thing, we'd have to nuke the history of every page, which is a bad idea for all sorts of reasons. For another, there's no way that ED would follow suit, so it'd just make things mildly more inconvenient for weens. And lastly, Chris is in the habit of plastering people's personal info all over the internet far more than the CWCki is.

 

[milkshark]

The closest right now is this, and this. Though perhaps the Saga page could have footnotes saying what we learned about Chris during each one, i.e; dirty crapped briefs for Clyde, the belief in the Cartoon World for Asperchu, etc etc.

The chronological timeline graphic is so great. Both of these links are really useful, if they're not prominently linked on the first page, they should be.

I think another problem with keeping the CWCki updated is that for a long time groups of people would keep Chris to themselves. Even now, stuff from years ago that most of us haven't seen will get posted if it gets slow around here. How are any of us plebs supposed to help update it when half the time we don't even know what's true anymore?

Releasing Chris leaks as soon as you get them will end up with Chris cutting you off. Waiting to drop your leak is also a way to make it harder for Chris to doxx you, if he decided to.

I too am reluctant to change a lot of the older pages.

It's almost like messing around with the Bible. Maybe we could archive them as CWCiki 1.0.

Be a shame to just wipe out such history.

I really like the idea of the CWCki getting redone as a more streamlined, objective account of Chris' antics with an archive to the classic wiki under a disclaimer. That way nothing gets changed about the old wiki, but going forward there's less of a juvenile e-bully vibe to the CWCki.

Anyway, about that wiki: does anyone else think it might be a good idea to remove some of the real people's last names? I think nothing of importance would be lost if we just referred to Megan, the high school gal-pals, etc. by first name only, or first name plus last initial.

Yes. They could just refer to her as "Megan" because she doesn't deserve to be forever linked to Chris. I'm cool with blurring her face too.

 

[John Daker]

Chris and gender might benefit from being its own page. It's currently awkwardly attached to Chris and sex. I think at this point in the tomgirl saga, we have enough to go off of to make it a standalone page.

 

[kobebyarlant]

Chris and gender might benefit from being its own page. It's currently awkwardly attached to Chris and sex. I think at this point in the tomgirl saga, we have enough to go off of to make it a standalone page.

You could write a thesis paper on Chris and gender at this point.

Also, I'm glad that stupid "how Chris is committing the seven deadly sins" thing is gone from Chris and Religion. Chris isn't Catholic, why the fuck does his adherence to a Catholic theological concept matter?

 

[Le Bateleur]

Just look at all the harsh negative ratings members gave me :^) because they don't agree with me. Also, this rather daft rating system has the reddit problem where almost everyone is trying to one-up themselves to get points/thumb ups or whatever. It basically enables those try hards.

What-ho, old chap! It warms my cockles that there's another contrarian cove on here who also happens to know the correct way to spell colour. I do think you'll find that you'll get a warmer reception if you present your case with a spoonful of sugar rather than a slug of vinegar...

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With regards to improving the CWCki - I appreciate that a lot of information might lack a concrete source, but there ought to be ways round this. How about evaluating each snippet about Chris and categorising it roughly as follows:
Verified - something that has a publicly-available primary source like a video OR is attested to by more than one Chris troll (or other person with first-hand knowledge of the events in question).
Likely - something that is attested to by a single Chris troll (or similar) OR with a primary source that is not publicly-available
Possible - something that is attested to by multiple persons who have second-hand knowledge of the events in question
Unlikely - something that is attested to by a single person with second-hand knowledge OR without any source whatsoever
False - something which is explicitly contradicted by a primary source OR a explicitly contradicted by a Chris troll (or other person with first-hand knowledge of the events in question)

 

[MrTroll]

Just add "Update 2015 (or whatever the date of the most recent addition is)" sections to classic pages if it's necessary to add new information in light of recent (2012 onward) events and restrict editing of the main bodies of pre-existing pages dealing mainly with "golden age" Chris to correcting grammar, typos, broken links or images, etc.

The Chris and fashion page is I think a good example of what a CWCki page should look like. Obviously the information in the main body is technically out of date ("The majority of shirts he owns are colorful collared shirts and undersized rugby shirts, most of which are decorated with horizontal stripes, making him look even fatter."), but it makes up for that by chronicling his latest sensibilities under the Later Tomgirl Fashion sub-header.