CWCki Improvement Thread

[Holdek]

I'm not sure how we could improve on the status quo. The front page already has a biography (your "starting point"), a list of the most important pages, and links to the timeline and major sagas. "New to the CWCki? Check this out!"--you don't see these words? There's an "Article of the Now" and a running chronological "update" for current news, as well as "This Day in Christory" for past events. If you see ways in which the front page could be tweaked, I could understand that, but claiming that there's no organization doesn't make sense to me.

I think the biography needs major updating and revisions, but as the holiest of holies, I'm afraid to touch this article. The biography SHOULD be of the same caliber as the documentary, and do for you what the documentary did.

The thing to keep in mind is that it's fairly confusing to newcomers because, as opposed to, say, a wiki on birds, where they would understand that various pages would be articles about bird species, feeding, habitats, etc., it's not immediately obvious why there's a wiki about the sagas of some random autistic guy, so they have no idea what's going on.

 

[Rinzler]

I've only be following CWC for a year or two, and I have to admit, the CWCki can get pretty damned confusing when it comes to what was actually going on and what was the narrative created by the trolls and Chris's delusions. Definitely should be more transparency there.

 

[Marvin]

I've only be following CWC for a year or two, and I have to admit, the CWCki can get pretty damned confusing when it comes to what was actually going on and what was the narrative created by the trolls and Chris's delusions. Definitely should be more transparency there.

Examples?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Examples?

Just from the top of my head: In the PandaHalo article, under history. You have one paragraph discussing how Panda verbally abused Chris and claimed to have Tourette's, got him to send a PSP, manipulating him into providing sex videos, ect. The next paragraph details how Clyde Cash raped her and she became addicted to it, they got married, ect.

It's phrased as an accounting of actual events ("In a disturbing act of revenge, Clyde Cash flew to Australia and raped Panda") rather than how it is in the previous paragraph, where it's made more clear that these are things people are saying and not what is actually happening. A lot of the heartsweet articles have similar problems where the lines between what actually happened and what Chris was told happened are repeatedly crossed. The Ivy article talks Ching Chong like they were a real person, for instance.

 

[Marvin]

Just from the top of my head: In the PandaHalo article, under history. You have one paragraph discussing how Panda verbally abused Chris and claimed to have Tourette's, got him to send a PSP, manipulating him into providing sex videos, ect. The next paragraph details how Clyde Cash raped her and she became addicted to it, they got married, ect.

It's phrased as an accounting of actual events ("In a disturbing act of revenge, Clyde Cash flew to Australia and raped Panda") rather than how it is in the previous paragraph, where it's made more clear that these are things people are saying and not what is actually happening. A lot of the heartsweet articles have similar problems where the lines between what actually happened and what Chris was told happened are repeatedly crossed. The Ivy article talks Ching Chong like they were a real person, for instance.

Some of those articles are written out of necessity due to lack of contradicting evidence.

So you really need to cite every specific article you have an issue with, because sometimes you're right: we should've written that better. But frequently there aren't any alternatives to writing the article that way. It's context dependent on every article like that.

 

[Holdek]

I probably will get flak for this, but I agree that we should think over whether to censor out certain names or not. To be honest, it isn't funny when cool guys go and take Megan's name and try to troll Chris with it, obviously failing in getting a response but still dragging Megan through the mud, who I think deserves some rest after having had all that crap before.

One thing with Megan is her last name is German, which is important to understanding some of the things Chris and Borb say about her.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

I've created a youtube channel cwcki vids to reupload deleted videos and audio.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Two videos uploaded and replaced on the Cwcki so far.

 

[Holdek]

Some people have expressed confusion about what's real and what's not; I think if you read carefully the CWCki tells you this, but with the passage of time, newbies could conceivably be confused if Panda was a real person who died in a brushfire, or if The Wallflower was really sleeping with a real person named Surfshack Tito, or what. So there might be some places where issues could be clarified, but ultimately, if you understand the difference between Harrison Ford and Han Solo, you should be able to understand what's happening. The humor needs to be maintained.

One complication is that lots of autistics read the site and can have trouble reading between the lines. This was why Null wanted to make his lolcow wiki without humor.

 

[Holdek]

I'm glad you're more optimistic than I am about the CWCki and that you genuinely enjoy editing. Most people don't though - like I've said, PVCC would bitch and moan about the CWCki. I'd tell them "Go and edit it yourself, it's a wiki" and the response is "No, I can't do that, it's overrun by spergs, if I edit some sperglord will revert it and then say how Chris is worse than Hitler." The goal of the CWCki is ultimately to be usable. I've felt that we need to be reliable for people to want to use us as opposed to going elsewhere for information about Chris that may be less objective. There are a large segment of people who feel that the CWCki is completely run by spergs and there's no point reading it as it's just people going on about how Chris is the worst human being in existence and is incapable of doing anything right, ever. As such, they will go elsewhere for information.

There was another thread, https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cwcki-improvements.3697/, that had some efforts about reforming the extreme A-Loggy content. Maybe a mod could merge the threads?

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't do it. There's also a reason why trolling isn't encouraged anymore, and the Wiki not reflecting the forums' new policy on trolling isn't a good thing. And just because you add new infomation or having a new policy on trolling doesn't mean you can't make it fun to read.

(P.S: I'm surprised people in this thread are so concerned with preserving the articles as they are, considering that older versions of the articles are in the View History tab at the top.)

The wiki and the forums have no formal connection anymore.

As far as old articles, I agree. A wiki is a living document. If you want something more set in stone, it's probably more appropriate to write an essay about Chris and put it on a website or or blog or pastebin or something.

 

[Wanderer]

I've created a youtube channel cwcki vids to reupload deleted videos and audio.

.. The CWCVille library has Cakefarts I think.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

.. The CWCVille library has Cakefarts I think.

Just the audio

 

[Wanderer]

Just the audio

Ah. It's been a while since I saw that page (for obvious reasons)

 

[Chuggernaut]

Some of those articles are written out of necessity due to lack of contradicting evidence.

So you really need to cite every specific article you have an issue with, because sometimes you're right: we should've written that better. But frequently there aren't any alternatives to writing the article that way. It's context dependent on every article like that.

I totally get having limited evidence. I just think from a writing standpoint it sticks out when you go from a "real world" stance of "Panda was manipulating Chris" to an in-universe segment on the troll "narrative" in the same section. It feels like taking the plot and production details section of a wiki article about a tv show and jammed them together. Maybe separate sections would be a better solution? You gotta keep the stuff Chris thinks happened in there, obviously.

 

[Marvin]

I totally get having limited evidence. I just think from a writing standpoint it sticks out when you go from a "real world" stance of "Panda was manipulating Chris" to an in-universe segment on the troll "narrative" in the same section. It feels like taking the plot and production details section of a wiki article about a tv show and jammed them together. Maybe separate sections would be a better solution? You gotta keep the stuff Chris thinks happened in there, obviously.

There's nothing to write about when you come to the real world stance.

Like, take Clyde and Ryan Cash. What's there to write about concerning them, other than the in-universe story?

 

[Dr. Tremolo]

Maybe let's do something like what the Star Wars wiki did with the Canon and Legends sections.

 

[Wanderer]

There's nothing to write about when you come to the real world stance.

Like, take Clyde and Ryan Cash. What's there to write about concerning them, other than the in-universe story?

Maybe you could put a notice at the top that informs the reader that the content is from an 'in-universe' perspective.

 

[LordEpping]

Since I cannot create an account on the CWCki (new rule?) nor can I contact the admin, I was wondering if someone who can edit the CWCki can update the Mumble 5 page with a live link to the audio file and the Emily page with a live link to the "post date conversations" audio file with Emily and Clyde. I have them and would like to put them on the site.

Attached:

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Since I cannot create an account on the CWCki (new rule?) nor can I contact the admin, I was wondering if someone who can edit the CWCki can update the Mumble 5 page with a live link to the audio file and the Emily page with a live link to the "post date conversations" audio file with Emily and Clyde. I have them and would like to put them on the site.

Attached:

I'll upload these to youtube along with the other mumbles and post them on the cwcki as soon as i can tomorrow. (as it's 1:20am where i live)

 

[Yawning Asperchu]

One complication is that lots of autistics read the site and can have trouble reading between the lines. This was why Null wanted to make his lolcow wiki without humor.

True dat.

I wouldn't wanna see humor sacrificed for the sake of those who have a hard time recognizing it though. As long as its made clear what's really going on either early in the article or in a banner at the top of the page ED-style then all the funny jokes about Panda being addicted to rape, Clyde's brother committing suicide over a comic book, etc. should stay in my opinion.