Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

[Secret Asshole]

I just had the unpleasant realization that Fallout 4 has better shooting mechanics and weapon variety than this game.

I haven't played it personally but from videos it seems Fallout 76 does as well.

Without a doubt they do. What is sad is that the Fallout games have better weapon and character customization too. Which is...I mean...really fucking pathetic. It reeks of 'Well, we'll just fix this in post!' or 'Well, people will mod this!'. It feels very insulting to me, really. Don't spit in my face and tell me its a warm summer rain. They took their good will for granted and burned it completely. Hope it was worth it, faggots.

I am around 40 hours into this game and still am only at act 2.
I really enjoy but as other have said, it has so many issues that need to be fixed now. Not tomorrow or next week. @Secret Asshole is also right about the weapons. There is no point in buying weapons when you can just grab them of the street.
The lack of customization is stupid as fuck. Why can't I get an haircut or penis enlargement?
I also never need to go and buy clothes in store as I can just loot them all from dead enemies.

The problem is that its compounded by the utterly ATROCIOUS PS4 and XBox One release. Management basically lied out its ass that they could put it on these consoles and now they're basically going to have to focus nearly everything on fixing these issues. Which is going to basically kill replayability. Without mod support, people will drop the game rapidly. So to salvage their launch, all their post-launch has to go and fix these retarded console releases. Like how in the fuck are they going to make this game playable on that hardware? All of their time is going to be spent on optimization for those two configurations, which leaves no time for the PS5, XBox S or the PC versions. It is blindingly obvious this should have never been released for previous gen consoles and its going to cost them more money than they'd have made.

They'd better fucking pray the mod tools they release is equivalent to the GECK or this game is fucked. Nobody is going to buy DLC for it. I sure as fuck won't. There's so much shit here I'm looking at that mods need to fix and if its a fenced in creator like 'The Witcher 3' was, then I'm not spending another fucking cent on this. Because lets be real, I don't expect them to completely re-work the weapon and armor system. And God help them if they put weapon number limiters in so that you can inflate the weapon variety or some shit like that where its basically hard coded and impossible to re-work game systems. Then I'm completely done.

 

[Foltest]

The whole ps4 and xbox one shit show is their own doing. They got to know it was going to be a fucking mess. If they had been honest and just said "bro, we would have loved to release it on ps4 and Xbox One, but in the current state, we can't".

 

[Not Really Here]

I'm almost ready to believe that they did zero work on this game until 2016. They should have been in planning for at least 2 years before they started working on the game but IDK about that now.

I really would like a look at their internal scheduling for the game and see what features were hypothetically added when and when they were abandoned, this smells like the classic executives going "do dis" and coders going like "need time machine and lots of money".

Someone call Scott Adams and ask him if they ripped off Dilbert for their management model.

 

[Ruin]

Why would anyone replay this game? Lifepaths are identical, speech choices don't impact quest outcomes, and unlike TW3 you can choose you ending from a list so you don't need to replay the game to see a different ending you can just reload your last save. The only reason I can think of to replay this is you really like blasting scavs and both Borderlands and Fallout do that better.

 

[Swiss46]

They simply just copied and pasted the Witcher 3 gear system and thought it would work. The removal of so much customization to everything

Really it's even more suprising because 2020 had fucking tons of unique weapons they could have taken. Long distance drug injectors, microwave guns, rail guns that had so much recoil it damaged you. Buy 2020 core rules, blackhand's weapon guide, and the four chromebooks they have all the weapons and customization to make this game good. It's baffling they didn't go this route.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

So CPR had an emergency meeting because Cyberdump is a buggy piece of garbage . This could have been prevented by not selling a buggy piece of garbage.

 

[heyitsmike]

It would have been an absolute fucking disaster. Even worse than now.

It would have been far, far worse and without the Series X / PS5 to at least be able to show it running decently on.

 

[Analog Devolved]

I do enjoy this game. I'm playing on the hardest difficulty and focusing on stealth and hacking instead of gunplay.

Stealthing through the areas with a lot of enemies takes some careful planning and there are a lot of innovative ways to incapacitate enemies. When you grab people from behind the animation can be wonky and look like shit.

NPC's are utterly useless. I don't like responding to assaults because the victim tends to stand unmoving, upright in the middle of a firefight and on the hardest mode this presents a problem because if you shoot them (and you will) the cops materialize and you're in crossfire from the police and the enemies.

Like others have mentioned most vendors (especially gun vendors) serve very little purpose. Even upgrading your tech is expensive and provides negligible gains.

Blowing up explosives either has very little AOE or the container disappears then explodes later. I've killed enemies and they have laid down unmoving will full HP and I just beat them to death and I've seen dead enemies morph into objects. I killed a scav and it turned into a chair.

Sometime talking to someone in front of you will trigger a conversation behind you. Random people on the street with T pose. Civilian response to gunfire depends on whether you are inside or directly outside a hostile areas and they have no reaction to dumping a dead body on the sidewalk if you can't find a dumpster.

Your choices make no difference in the outcome.

Epic clothes are often weaker than common clothes and your appearance makes no difference. Dress like a pants on head retard? Its only about the armor stat.

Gun DPS is the only stat that matters.

Theres no "faction" rep only street cred. Kill cops while on a mission for the cops? You still get paid.

Crashing into other cars is perfectly okay but run off the road? A crime.

Theres a lot to like about this game and it IS fun to play. However you need to save often. I've walked through locked doors to find a fully rendered interior with a vendor you can't interact with and you're locked inside.

Drinking alcohol seems to have no positive effects.

I imagine in a year or two this game will be a lot better, like the latest update to "No man's sky" greatly improved the game. 2020 hasn't had many blockbuster hits and the scenery in cyberpunk is beautiful. It's a great place to drive around. Don't expect the best game ever made but enjoy the side quests and multiple ways to complete each one.

 

[Bumblino]

Seeing as Silverhand was one of three choices for a childhood hero in the 2018 character creation, this seems to be the case

I forgot about that. I also seem to vaguely recall something about gang-relations (maybe even reputation talk) but I haven't seen any mention of it in-game.

 

[PotatoBaster]

This game sounds like a straight up 5/10. Glad I didn't bother buying it, all the good shit people say about this game sounds like cope and contradicts the major criticisms of it.

 

[draggs]

Sounds like I made a good decision to start a new game of New Vegas instead of buying this. Maybe in a year or two, I couldn't abide all these bugs people are talking about

 

[jje100010001]

So CPR had an emergency meeting because Cyberdump is a buggy piece of garbage . This could have been prevented by not selling a buggy piece of garbage.

If they knew they were in such a bad position, they should have had that meeting six months ago, and announced to their fans that ‘due to circumstances’, they’d release the game as early access.

It could have simply been the base world + AI simulation itself, excluding the story missions, which could have been included in the final game release. IMO fans are extremely forgiving, as long as you provide some reasonable talking points.

Gimme them rainbows, but I’m personally hoping that some of the awful AI (I.e. the police, crowds, driving) are just ‘dumb’ placeholder systems shoved in when they realized that what they had wasn’t going to be fixable in time for release.

CDPR also at least realizes the massive damage their brand has taken with this release, so I’m hoping that they’ll try to fix some of these down the road.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I am around 40 hours into this game and still am only at act 2.
I really enjoy but as other have said, it has so many issues that need to be fixed now. Not tomorrow or next week. @Secret Asshole is also right about the weapons. There is no point in buying weapons when you can just grab them of the street.
The lack of customization is stupid as fuck. Why can't I get an haircut or penis enlargement?
I also never need to go and buy clothes in store as I can just loot them all from dead enemies.

Without a doubt they do. What is sad is that the Fallout games have better weapon and character customization too. Which is...I mean...really fucking pathetic. It reeks of 'Well, we'll just fix this in post!' or 'Well, people will mod this!'. It feels very insulting to me, really. Don't spit in my face and tell me its a warm summer rain. They took their good will for granted and burned it completely. Hope it was worth it, faggots.

The problem is that its compounded by the utterly ATROCIOUS PS4 and XBox One release. Management basically lied out its ass that they could put it on these consoles and now they're basically going to have to focus nearly everything on fixing these issues. Which is going to basically kill replayability. Without mod support, people will drop the game rapidly. So to salvage their launch, all their post-launch has to go and fix these retarded console releases. Like how in the fuck are they going to make this game playable on that hardware? All of their time is going to be spent on optimization for those two configurations, which leaves no time for the PS5, XBox S or the PC versions. It is blindingly obvious this should have never been released for previous gen consoles and its going to cost them more money than they'd have made.

They'd better fucking pray the mod tools they release is equivalent to the GECK or this game is fucked. Nobody is going to buy DLC for it. I sure as fuck won't. There's so much shit here I'm looking at that mods need to fix and if its a fenced in creator like 'The Witcher 3' was, then I'm not spending another fucking cent on this. Because lets be real, I don't expect them to completely re-work the weapon and armor system. And God help them if they put weapon number limiters in so that you can inflate the weapon variety or some shit like that where its basically hard coded and impossible to re-work game systems. Then I'm completely done.

I'm not so frustrated with haircuts because that could be patched in like in Wild Hunt. The same could [hopefully] be done with customization and weapons.

But I'm still salty over these lest-gen console version releases. They really could have just delayed the game on those consoles indefinitely, or not release them at all if it was this bad. They destroyed their gamer-friendly reputation towards people who waited seven years for this in the span of a couple of days. It's just so unfortunate.

And their refund system, as it turns out, is just the typical Sony/Microsoft refund system bullshit that you have to go through them for.

 

[Bum Driller]

If they knew they were in such a bad position, they should have had that meeting six months ago, and announced to their fans that ‘due to circumstances’, they’d release the game as early access.

It could have simply been the base world + AI simulation itself, excluding the story missions, which could have been included in the final game release. IMO fans are extremely forgiving, as long as you provide some reasonable talking points.

Gimme them rainbows, but I’m personally hoping that some of the awful AI (I.e. the police, crowds, driving) are just ‘dumb’ placeholder systems shoved in when they realized that what they had wasn’t going to be fixable in time for release.

CDPR also at least realizes the massive damage their brand has taken with this release, so I’m hoping that they’ll try to fix some of these down the road.

Considering that the AI is, from what I've seen and heard thus far, just some extremely simple "if-else" structures, i.e. if you shoot a civilian, they either run away or duck in place, cops materialize and if you're within certain range attack you, it feels like they haven't even tried to make AI in the first place. Better AI could've been written in one fucking day, so I can only assume that they didn't even try. The question is WHY? What has happened at CDPR for them to make this kind of decision, for it certainly can't be really an issue with not having time to make better "AI"?

 

[Ruin]

I've had npcs walk and drive into walls multiple times. I assume cops teleport because npc pathfinding is completely broken and they are much too incompetent to fix it.

 

[heyitsmike]

Considering that the AI is, from what I've seen and heard thus far, just some extremely simple "if-else" structures

Lol. Their decision trees are a twig.

Maybe the 2077 was a reference to when this game will be fixed?

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

Can't wait until the trannies find the Dirty Biz gig, if they manage to connect the dots.

Spoiler: Spoilers for side-gig Dirty Biz

In Dirty Biz you're tasked with finding who made a BD recording of a Christian preacher's little boy being brutally murdered. Eventually you find the culprit, he's a goblinesque balding old man who runs a family business that specializes in tortureporn and if you look at his computer files they're full of tags like forced, young, gore, death, and animal. His name? "Gottfried".

POLAND NO

 

[Tor Lugosi]

One of the side quests wherein you retrieve a Japanese guy rips off this almost word-for-word:

'In Japan, Heart Surgeon Number 1' - The Office US

Good Surgeon, Steady Hand. Watch The Office US on Google Play: http://bit.ly/2xYQkLD & iTunes http://apple.co/2eW0rcK Subscribe: http://bit.ly/2y5VK8N This i...

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[Secret Asshole]

The whole ps4 and xbox one shit show is their own doing. They got to know it was going to be a fucking mess. If they had been honest and just said "bro, we would have loved to release it on ps4 and Xbox One, but in the current state, we can't".

In all honesty, people need to be fired for this. There's absolutely no fucking way you could have looked at this and went 'Yup, perfectly fine.'

Management at CD Projekt needs to be completely replaced, because it seems to be completely inept. Like, heads need to be rolling over this. You CAN'T look at the PS4 release and give it a thumbs up.

Why would anyone replay this game? Lifepaths are identical, speech choices don't impact quest outcomes, and unlike TW3 you can choose you ending from a list so you don't need to replay the game to see a different ending you can just reload your last save. The only reason I can think of to replay this is you really like blasting scavs and both Borderlands and Fallout do that better.

Right now, there's no reason to replay it at all. Which is kind of shocking for an RPG like this. Even not going to strength or reflexes I'm only locked out of meh options and it isn't worth restarting to do so. The only reason to replay this is when its fixed, has all the free DLC and you know what DLC is getting dropped. This game is going to need...shit, a lot. Its going to need JUST story focused DLC. Like, no side shit.

And multiplayer...who gives a fuck? lol, that is going to be such a waste of fucking money. No weapon variety, no weapon customization....fucking lol. If they release multiplayer before fixing this, God fucking help them. No one will ever trust them again.

Really it's even more suprising because 2020 had fucking tons of unique weapons they could have taken. Long distance drug injectors, microwave guns, rail guns that had so much recoil it damaged you. Buy 2020 core rules, blackhand's weapon guide, and the four chromebooks they have all the weapons and customization to make this game good. It's baffling they didn't go this route.

They said they loved Cyberpunk, right? But modeling all those guns would be so hard. I know! Lets put in like 12 guns and just have them as different colors. Nobody will notice.

Polish faggots.

I'm not so frustrated with haircuts because that could be patched in like in Wild Hunt. The same could [hopefully] be done with customization and weapons.

But I'm still salty over these lest-gen console version releases. They really could have just delayed the game on those consoles indefinitely, or not release them at all if it was this bad. They destroyed their gamer-friendly reputation towards people who waited seven years for this in the span of a couple of days. It's just so unfortunate.

And their refund system, as it turns out, is just the typical Sony/Microsoft refund system bullshit that you have to go through them for.

I think you're being optimistic with the weapons. They literally need to completely scrap it, add in modding and add in a fuckton of different gun models. They're just not capable of it.

One of the side quests wherein you retrieve a Japanese guy rips off this almost word-for-word:

'In Japan, Heart Surgeon Number 1' - The Office US

Good Surgeon, Steady Hand. Watch The Office US on Google Play: http://bit.ly/2xYQkLD & iTunes http://apple.co/2eW0rcK Subscribe: http://bit.ly/2y5VK8N This i...

www.youtube.com

Oh, it IS word for word. Again, this is what you get for hiring Canadian meme generators.

A lot of this shit is in jokes, retarded memes and shit.

 

[Marissa Moira]

In all honesty, people need to be fired for this. There's absolutely no fucking way you could have looked at this and went 'Yup, perfectly fine.'

Management at CD Projekt needs to be completely replaced, because it seems to be completely inept. Like, heads need to be rolling over this. You CAN'T look at the PS4 release and give it a thumbs up.

In normal circumstances, yes that's what should happen. However I've got a bunch of regional games from the same area of the world and they're all known to have poor performance shit like this or a lack of effort/oversight.

Games like Elex shit itself regularly on consoles. Conan Exiles also was majorly fucked on release for a long ass time.

Eurojank is a thing for a reason.