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Then why aren't any of the other boards being considered for the chopping block?
Not true. He's said on MATI before that he wants to get rid of all the individual person boards. You could immediately repurpose the Ethan Ralph board as the Sektur board, and then all you're left with is Chris Chan once the Balldoverse and DSP boards are gone. Chris gets grandfathered in because he's Chris.

This only makes sense and you've only added to the logic in favor of this change, so thank you.

But its the DSP board that is getting singled out. Here, on MATI, on every place that it comes up.
Skill issue?
 
I think what makes him a lolcow is his narcissistic behaviour, stupidity and serious lack of self awareness, but the definition of lolcow is somewhat subjective.
Oh MoraMoira, do I remember the days when you were passionately defending Phil on Twitter whenever you were presented with factual observations that he displayed on a daily basis (the same traits that you just posted here)

Anyways, pardon me for going off topic-- continue on :)
 
But to your first point - Then why aren't any of the other boards being considered for the chopping block?
The only other cow-specific boards today are Chris-chan, Ethan Ralph, and Nick Rekeita. Chris's board stays because its the original community that started everything here. Ethan and Nick's board are still up because they are far far more active than Phil is and do things that affect multiple people involved in their life. They stream, fling shit on twitter, go to court, regularly collaborate with other people, get people close to them dragged into their messes, etc. Phil, by contrast, is a hermit who only does the first two points and maybe the 4th once in a blue moon. He doesn't need a whole board anymore to cover his day-to-day life.
Why are they not being raided by people like you for them being toxic or whatever the fuck we do?
Because the communities in those other boards have many more overlapping members that participate transiently in the other boards and outside of them, which you'd know if you ever actually looked at them. Visitors coming in to gunt guard Ralph or Nick are regular occurrences.
 
Dps is a 40 year old man begging for money online. He gains money by playing video games and he's incredibly bad at it to the point where it's funny. His Mgs 3 TIHYDP video is a masterpiss. He has incredible levels of luck and resilience. The wwe gatcha game saga was very funny and he has unhinged haters.

Saying he's not a lolcow is not really true.

There's threads like these
where it's just a fat woman making videos about losing weight and her husband has a pedostache I guess.
The standard for what lolcow is is not that high.

Also sometimes people just need to acccept something I not their up of tea and move on.
 
There's almost no substance to DSP as a lolcow at this point. He's like 40, he's calmer, he's married, and while he's very incompetent and inflexible, he rarely treads outside of his comfort zone. Not being willing to set up a free computer was one of those things he did on his own with help of his supporters, no detractors involved.

The people who hate Phil definitely have some sort of complex that makes them lash out at everyone who doesn't hate DSP. I also feel they're very autistic and can't let go. Like, they're stuck on him, can't enjoy anyone else, refuse to try, get mad at his supporters because they feel his good income level means there won't be content, which they can't stand because only DSP matters to them.

Every interaction with DSP people is bad. Users in this board hate this site. They complain that I don't feature things that interest them. When I do feature DSP, they hate the users that visit the board. When PPP tries to ego up Phil for content, they hate him. When I agree to a game with Phil, they lash out at me. If I respond, they start freaking out. I haven't enjoyed this board since neger psykolog.
You are WRONG sir. It's just misinfo, that's why people get so frustrated with you. Period. What you are saying is incorrect, DSP has degraded mentally every year. But you don't care, so I don't know why you pretend to have a discussion. Watch a prestream. Also "He's calmer" bro stfu 😂. How about you eat the shit out of his ass with a spoon null. Remember that unhinged meltdown? You said something along the lines of "I've never seen DSP like this". That was all because we said he's not a video game character. How is that "calmer"?
 
You are WRONG sir. It's just misinfo, that's why people get so frustrated with you. Period. What you are saying is incorrect, DSP has degraded mentally every year. But you don't care, so I don't know why you pretend to have a discussion. Watch a prestream. Also "He's calmer" bro stfu 😂. How about you eat the shit out of his ass with a spoon null. Remember that unhinged meltdown? You said something along the lines of "I've never seen DSP like this". That was all because we said he's not a video game character. How is that "calmer"?
It doesn’t matter. He cherry-picks who he answers to and gaslights everyone else.

At this point his brain has involved into tranny warfare where he only wants to cause friction just to point out the “mentally ill detractors” who totally and completely exist. Like all the people on here who “had meltdowns” that he was going to play a game with DSP recently.

Oh yeah… they don’t exist. It’s tranny behavior and it’s extremely disappointing from a person who so-call champions free speech (unless he doesn’t like it).

I enjoy the DSP board and the regulars that post there. Never had an issue there. I ALSO like several other threads on this site and have seen far worse behavior on those threads than others.

I 10,000% guarantee you if Phil went to court and a few of us went to the court proceeding with the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR (respectful and minded their business) as the rackets board did, he’d throw a tantrum and dox every user.
 
Really? The "boyfriend-free girl" signs, the Sonichu comics, none of that was interesting until people got him to lash out? Are you stupid?
Having to explain why you find a lolcow funny to people who don't think it's funny must suck. Imagine having to do that every time this lolcow gets featured or appears in our dear leader's latest messages.
 
Which really underscores how much DSP doesn't do? Not swinging, not doing cocaine, not exposing kids to cocaine, not blackout drunk stream after stream, not making weird diaper fetish jokes about disabled children, not friends with a blvk bvll who's grooming kids, not alleging grand governmental conspiracy against him.
Typically the severity of trolling is commensurate with how fucked up the cow is.

Crowds of people showed up to see Chris Chan arrested, crowds of people showed up to Rekieta's court appearance, crowds of people showed up to fuck with Ralph's events etc.

By contrast, we've got a few sneak photos of DSP IRL by people who already happened to be in the area and spotted DSP in the wild. That's the craziest in-person trolling I've seen against DSP. He's been doxed for years, he regularly publicizes his schedule and he goes to the same shops every week so if we were as bad as you're acting, what gives?

Not only is nobody saying DSP is as bad as [insert freak here] but nobody is engaging in acts that would suggest we think he is.
 
As a long time lurker and someone who laughs at lolcows who aren't endangering people (like Rekieta), Phil is the easiest palette cleanser to the more fucked up lolcows out there. He's harmless to anybody with a brain and more alien than even the worst of lolcows, who at least have some self-awareness of how fucked up they are. He's also no danger of doing anything really criminal, mainly because he's a frail 42 year old with the physical build of a 72 year old and the personality of a 12 year old.

The one argument I keep seeing from people, tourists or others, is that he's just bad at games and begs online, who cares. Isn't your average gamer or average homeless person just as funny or as much of a beggar? Sure, but the thing that adds to DSP is that the dumbass has willingly streamed himself being a lolcow for a decade. He's the definition of entirely too online. If you can't laugh at somebody for not only being an everyday dumbass but broadcasting that he's just that unironically, what's the point?

I'd argue that having a wanna-be tranny, a pedophile who does work for him for free, and he himself being a borderline groomer does put him 1 tick up from everyday shitty gamer/streamer*

*yes she was 18 but a grown ass man grooming a barely legal fan of his isn't illegal but it's fucking creepy

One other thing, and yeah I get this isn't something somebody who just sees DSP in the background gets, but the guy lies about everything. He lies about things that make no sense to lie about, he lies about big things, small things, he'll retcon his own retcons. He'll exaggerate things and downplay things to fit whatever narrative he's spinning. The most recent arc isn't so much about lies but a lot of retconning things he said he'd never do. I don't think there is a lolcow that lies more than Phil Burnell.
 
I'm just sort of confused about what exactly needs to be fixed. It's been suggested several times to nuke the subforum and just have a main thread. Okay, but what changes? Is the problem just that there's a subforum versus a single thread? Or is it a larger issue that we just shouldn't be allowed to discuss Phil period?

So far, the only potentially productive things I've heard is not requesting Phil related things to be featured, which seems fair, and not unnecessarily tag people, which also seems pretty fair. Other than that, I'm not sure how us existing is causing issues, since the implication seems to be we make the site worse in some capacity?

Because tone isn't always clear, this is me genuinely asking and trying to play ball. I think Phil is funny and worth talking about because he's just so weird and alien, and his thread is a nice way to unwind from some of the more serious threads here. I totally get if people don't find Phil interesting and I didn't think anyone was trying to force others to change their opinion about Phil. But maybe that's not the case? Again, if people have been privately bothering staff to feature Phil or something else behind the scenes we aren't aware of, that's something that's worth addressing. I feel like it's been said repeatedly that DSP users don't interact with the rest of the threads, so it doesn't seem like we're plaguing the site trying to get people to follow Phil, and I've seen users in other thread discussing the cow in question without having to relate it back to Phil/compare them to Phil/mention Phil at all. So, aside from not tagging/asking for featured stuff, what else can be done to improve the quality around here? Whether here is the subforum, or a single thread if it's decided the subforum isn't necessary.
 
There's almost no substance to DSP as a lolcow at this point. He's like 40, he's calmer, he's married, and while he's very incompetent and inflexible, he rarely treads outside of his comfort zone. Not being willing to set up a free computer was one of those things he did on his own with help of his supporters, no detractors involved.

The people who hate Phil definitely have some sort of complex that makes them lash out at everyone who doesn't hate DSP. I also feel they're very autistic and can't let go. Like, they're stuck on him, can't enjoy anyone else, refuse to try, get mad at his supporters because they feel his good income level means there won't be content, which they can't stand because only DSP matters to them.

Every interaction with DSP people is bad. Users in this board hate this site. They complain that I don't feature things that interest them. When I do feature DSP, they hate the users that visit the board. When PPP tries to ego up Phil for content, they hate him. When I agree to a game with Phil, they lash out at me. If I respond, they start freaking out. I haven't enjoyed this board since neger psykolog.

I’ve written 3 responses to this, and all were emotional and doesn’t answer what you are asking for.

So let me posit this to you. Maybe DSP doesn’t need his own board, he’s boring. But doesn’t the community of hundreds, built around watching his streams over the years and coming HERR, need to have a place to converge and discuss all manner of dumb shit related to Phil?

Yeah we could could all scatter to the winds and eventually set up shop somewhere else. But why? You have a community here, continue to nurture it, continue to post in the general, and watch the clips.

You’ve been doing a good job so far these past few months. In MATI you’ve shown your audience the clips of the him breaking his old joystick, and other recent events. And now on Monday, you’re gonna get in there and talk to the man himself. I think then, you’ll get an inking of the frustration and dislike lot of us have with Phil.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, it may seem like “alotapeepul”are giving you shit, but it’s not the vast majority of us that use or lurk the board.
 
It's a discussion forum. If there's nothing to discuss then it shouldn't be a board. With Chris Chan, whether he's your flavor of lolcow or not, there's plenty to discuss and plenty people to have those discussions. The same cannot be said for DSP. The amount of discussions to be had are slim and the amount of people who vibe with the site culture who want to have those discussions is even slimmer.

Perhaps moving the thread to the lolcow subforum and closing the DSP subforum might help fix the problem.


Plenty changed last time. New moderators installed, old moderators ousted, dozens of regulars were banned, people using the DSP board were encouraged on both the forums and MATI to make more community happenings posts to bring more people to the board, Null covered more DSP on MATI, and the thing that didn't change was the userbase whose attitude stayed sour and nasty. Null absolutely made an effort and he was sandbagged by people who resent him for not seeing eye-to-eye on whether DSP deserves life ruination.


I've read all of it and you are not a victim. Touch lava.
You’re a boring null dent. I dont try to have normal conversations with DSP dents. Its a waste of time.
 
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You don't have to justify anything to me. I'm just explaining that the anger is why people say the DSP alogs all suck
At the risk of beating a dead horse...what anger? That's another thing I'm confused about. I've never seen anyone in other threads trying to derail conversations by talking about how cow XYZ isn't as bad as DSP. At most, I've seen a few threads where a DSP comparison is tossed around in reference to gameplay, like "cow X is worse at games than DSP" but that's about it. It feels like whenever a specific instance is brought up, it has to do with a DSP alog from Twitter/YouTube/Discord/Reddit and never anyone who is a regular on here.

It's not even like we're quietly cheerleading for that crowd. We specifically coined the phrase "dentractor" to mock those alogs who take Phil too seriously, and when the odd outsider stumbles in they usually only post once or twice before leaving in a huff after getting a bunch of puzzle pieces. I think the last time regulars were legit getting too mad about Phil was the bankruptcy, which was like, 4 years ago and you have to go back multiple pages to even find the thread. And even then, there were still people (albeit it more of a minority at the time) saying people were getting too mad and worked up over it.

It feels like most of the "mad" posts over the last few weeks have been the result of people coming in here and saying we're coping/seething/rage posting out of the blue without any real references, then weakly quoting something someone says in response and trying to spin it as rage-typed vitriol. It feels about as justified as someone saying Kiwi Farms is an alt-right neo nazi sanctuary that is dedicated to personally murdering as many troons as possible in the name of Gamergate and Incels because someone read a Huffington Post article saying that's what we do.
 
ok? who cares? does that make him a lolcow? what about the homeless people asking for gas money to buy drugs with? or the little gypsie girls holding other people's babies? go beat up a gypsie or something if that's the only thing you give a fuck about.
It goes beyond that null no offense but This feels like you lashing out that community or parts of it you don't like a child. phil has done may numerous horrendous things, is he worse then ltg (atleast recently) no but does he beg for money harder then a meth addict selling pens in a walmart (yes) also why are you looking for any possible arguement and moving goal posts to irl for fucks sake this arguement could be applied to anisa (idubbztv whore wife) or even daniel larson (excluding the pedo shit) If you wanna close the board fine but enough of the strawmans and bitching.
You don't have to justify anything to me. I'm just explaining that the anger is why people say the DSP alogs all suck
That anger is justified, all the alogs suck fucking with phil IRL will never get anyone who truly wants downfall what they want. I understand it but when someone comes here to sperg on main and gets backhanded for talkin shit, i thing its justified.
 
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He must of gotten his fee fees hurt and now it's time to schizo post and ban.

Can we just be angry... Can we just laugh... Can we just cry... Can we just shit... Can we just cum without you sperging about past burners dropping (very funny) information about DSP? Just fucking close the fucking thread, so I can stop seeing nonrelated dick sucking and parroting.
 
It goes beyond that null no offense but This feels like you lashing out that community or parts of it you don't like a child. phil has done may numerous horrendous things, is he worse then ltg (atleast recently) no but does he beg for money harder then a meth addict selling pens in a walmart (yes) also why are you looking for any possible arguement and moving goal posts to irl for fucks sake this arguement could be applied to anisa (idubbztv whore wife) or even daniel larson (excluding the pedo shit) If you wanna close the board fine but enough of the strawmans and bitching.
Now that I'm thinking about it, what's frustrating about the "Is Phil bad" defense is it's basically rage-post bait. I don't think any of the regulars really care all that much about that side of Phil, with many even saying they like Phil precisely because he's not as bad as other cows. But then when people start asking for justification, we point out that there are technically things Phil has done that are bad, only to get quoted and act like we're constantly complaining about/hate Phil for those things when, in reality, they're pretty incidental.

Like...multiple people have brought up us being mad about Phil beating the IRS, which if you look at the main thread isn't something we really talk about at all. Mostly because, it never happened. Not in a "I'm too stubborn to admit Phil won" sense of never happening, but in the literal sense of there's never really been an IRS arc with Phil. The closest to an IRS arc is Phil being told he owes backtaxes and being put on a payment plan. That's it. It's barely a footnote in Phil's history, but apparently it's something we're constantly seething about because we're all pro-IRS? Other than that, there's speculation on whether Phil lies about his taxes, but like most speculation, it's more of an amusing "what if". Even for actual a-logs, it's hard to get mad at pure speculation.

Same deal with Phil's dents. We'll use that as an example of Phil being a bad person when pressed, but it's not like we're pearl clutching and constantly posting about how poor Derich is being taken advantage of. There's a reason multiple dents have their own threads, and the few times someone does come in pretending to care about them, we point out how autistic that is. It's not like, a central point to the community or something we frequently post about. If you look past the recent drama of us defending/justifying the boards existence and in house slap fighting, the things that are most often discussed are: Phil's hilarious and nonsensical rants, jokes about spending on Champions, clips of Phil raging at Street Fighter and then sometimes riff-style summaries of Phil playing through more notable games, which are often more tongue in cheek than actual rage inducing. Honestly, I think Doody and lately Snort have been targets of legitimate rage more than Phil has. Some people have expressed annoyance or confusion over the KC arc, but I don't know if anyone has really gotten like, mad about it. There's been posts saying they want it to end, but that's hardly a-log material.

Then there's confusing claims that everyone hates us because we shit up the rest of the site, but then also we apparently never leave the subforum and we should actually be interacting with more threads? I'm willing to believe we have some blindspots within our own community, and even if I disagree with some of the posts about how we conduct ourselves, I appreciate the non-troll ones (or at least not 100% trolling) that at least give some feedback, but the only real takeaways I've been able to come away with is: Don't ask for featured threads/don't complain if something does get featured, and don't abuse the tagging system, which are perfectly reasonable requests, but I can't imagine all this vitriol is solely because of those two issues.
 
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