David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

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Pion's tweet on the matter, which also contains several examples of his attempts at reason
"If you want to go hull down you just have to remove the steel plate not the ERA"

Nigger Pig. What the fuck do you think intended Hull Down is? It's a fighting hole for a tank. The whole point is the you want as much armor as possible, including the Earth, and you're not planning to move. Why in the fuck would you remove armor in that situation? Min Maxing vidya brain. Let me just take my helmet off while rushing, since it gives me +5 to movement and put it back on while I'm suppressing, because it gives me 10+ armor..
 
You know what's really ironic. The Ukrainian Challenger 2s went into battle without any component of the TES kit. Ukrainians had to build their own cope ca... I mean roof drone protection and some slat armor which covered the sides and lower plate.

And then it blew up exactly like a T-72 with the turret popping off because it's ammunition layout is not too dissimilar to a T-72's.

Anyways, CR2s had ERA but its most definitely not effective against kinetic rounds and then the armor array packages. Probably has a good effect against CE projectile like RPGs but I wouldn't bet on it stopping high performance tank APFSDS (even the entire from hull armor in general tbh) and large tandem ATGMs like Kornet.

The commander's sight does not have thermals. It's an off the shelf product from the 80s. SFIM VS 580 used on various tanks of the time. Osorio, AMX 40, Vickers MBT Mk. 7, etc. No thermals.
 
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what the fuck is he even talking about here?
 
You know what's really ironic. The Ukrainian Challenger 2s went into battle without any component of the TES kit. Ukrainians had to build their own cope ca... I mean roof drone protection and some slat armor which covered the sides and lower plate.

And then it blew up exactly like a T-72 with the turret popping off because it's ammunition layout is not too dissimilar to a T-72's.

Anyways, CR2s had ERA but its most definitely not effective against kinetic rounds and then the armor array packages. Probably has a good effect against CE projectile like RPGs but I wouldn't bet on it stopping high performance tank APFSDS (even the entire from hull armor in general tbh) and large tandem ATGMs like Kornet.

The commander's sight does not have thermals. It's an off the shelf product from the 80s. SFIM VS 580 used on various tanks of the time. Osorio, AMX 40, Vickers MBT Mk. 7, etc. No thermals.
The Challenger 2 is a solid base platform, but it's stuck back in time. Last upgrade was the Iraq war. Ukraine didn't even get those upgrades. Sure it has more armor than a T-72, but a T-72, and definitely the T-80's have new modern shells able to pen its admittedly impressive armor. And if worse comes to worse, they send a Lancet or Ka-52 after it. Only thing the Challenger can do is snipe from long range with its rifled gun and hopefully pen.
what the fuck is he even talking about here?
I don't know. The ERA bricks go onto the plate which is WELDED onto the tank. You don't just take that off.
 
For all its fault, The T72 is still a tank that is still very useful.
That the pig say it was an awful tank is just wrong.
I have shit upon the T72 in the past, but I would never call it an awful tank.
Also, saying that there was no standardization between the versions of the Warsaw pack is just stupid.
Yes, there would be difference and modifications, but they were still T72s.
 
For all its fault, The T72 is still a tank that is still very useful.
That the pig say it was an awful tank is just wrong.
I have shit upon the T72 in the past, but I would never call it an awful tank.
Also, saying that there was no standardization between the versions of the Warsaw pack is just stupid.
Yes, there would be difference and modifications, but they were still T72s.
The T-72 has a fixed set of jobs it does pretty well: be light, cheap, have a big gun, low to the ground, and reduce the crew to 3 via a autoloader. It never billed itself as a superweapon
 
The T-72 has a fixed set of jobs it does pretty well: be light, cheap, have a big gun, low to the ground, and reduce the crew to 3 via a autoloader. It never billed itself as a superweapon
The actual drawbacks of it are that the crew ergonomics are designed for manlets, it's a cramped fucker on the inside and ammo explosions will result in a dead crew if it ever happens. Of course, people would rather focus on the hard factors instead of looking at the real sets of problems that the militaries that usually have wielded it in the past have.
 
The actual drawbacks of it are that the crew ergonomics are designed for manlets, it's a cramped fucker on the inside and ammo explosions will result in a dead crew if it ever happens. Of course, people would rather focus on the hard factors instead of looking at the real sets of problems that the militaries that usually have wielded it in the past have.
And that's the thing with it. The T-72 is complicated. In order to do those jobs I listed, the crew got shafted. It still does them, but at a cost. It also doesn't help its ancient and going up against modern weapons
 
In the end all the NAFO vs. Vatnik back-and-forth about Western or Russian tanks being superior to one another is moot. As we've seen in Ukraine, tank-on-tank engagements are rare. Most tanks are getting killed by ATGMs, artillery, air or mines, and no tank is going to fare much better than another against those. Tanks are designed to operate within an army, and all the elements of that army, tank and non-tank, are supposed to help one another against the things that "counter" them.

Yes, the T-72 is an old design pushed to the limit of upgradeability. Its main fault is that the crew is basically considered expendable in exchange for a tank that is small, light, and reasonably well armored. Western designs are deliberately more concerned with keeping the crew alive and well, as the expense of a larger, heavier tank. Yet neither a M1A2 Abrams, a Challenger 2, a Leopard 2, a T-72B3 or a T-90MS is going to avoid at least a mission kill if they run over a 12.5lb can of Soviet forbidden tuna or take a modern top-attack ATGM or artillery bomblet to the roof. The only difference is how likely is that crew is going to live to fight another day, and how repairable the tank is, both of which are choices the army that commissioned these tanks made. But the vehicle will be out of the fight regardless.

Of course, this requires nuance. LP doesn't have it. His arch-enemy Gonzo doesn't either. And the people who try to offer them that vital nuanced view just get thrown insults in return.
 
Who the hell in the Tank Museum thought it would be a good idea to feature moviebob's gay british cousin AND let him dress like Jim Sterling on top of that?
"We need to up our publicity. I know, let's have a YouTuber who was under fire for giving out incorrect information these past few months who will get even more flak as time goes on."

For all its fault, The T72 is still a tank that is still very useful.
That the pig say it was an awful tank is just wrong.
I have shit upon the T72 in the past, but I would never call it an awful tank.
Also, saying that there was no standardization between the versions of the Warsaw pack is just stupid.
Yes, there would be difference and modifications, but they were still T72s.
Pig probably thinks they're bad because of how Saddam's variants performed against Coalition tanks during the First Gulf War. You're telling me a 2nd Generation MBT got outperformed by 3rd Generation MBTs? Absolutely earth shattering information!
 
"We need to up our publicity. I know, let's have a YouTuber who was under fire for giving out incorrect information these past few months who will get even more flak as time goes on."


Pig probably thinks they're bad because of how Saddam's variants performed against Coalition tanks during the First Gulf War. You're telling me a 2nd Generation MBT got outperformed by 3rd Generation MBTs? Absolutely earth shattering information!
The entire Iraqi Army was a bit of a joke. Tired and beaten down by the Iran Iraq war and armed with mostly outdated equipment. Their early warning systems weren't pointed to the Saudi Arabia but Israel and Iran understandably. Low morale. And also facing an entire coalition. and also general Arabarmy-itis. Lazerfag attributing the T-72 as a key failure of the Iraqi Army is just ridiculous. If the circumstances were better for the Iraqis, the T-72 should have performed better. The capability gap between a T-72M1 and say the M1A1 is significant but not ridiculously so. You can't expect one aspect of an army to hold the entire army together when everything else is collapsing or has collapsed.
 
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The entire Iraqi Army was a bit of a joke. Tired and beaten down by the Iran Iraq war and armed with mostly outdated equipment. Their early warning systems weren't pointed to the Saudi Arabia but Israel and Iran understandably. Low morale. And also facing an entire coalition. and also general Arabarmy-itis. Lazerfag attributing the T-72 as a key failure of the Iraqi Army is just ridiculous. If the circumstances were better for the Iraqis, the T-72 should have performed better. The capability gap between a T-72M1 and say the M1A1 is significant but not ridiculously so. You can't expect one aspect of an army to hold the entire army together when everything else is collapsing or has collapsed.
In a way, one can point to Desert Storm as the reason why the obsession with precision weaponry is so prevalevant these days. The politicians saw camera footage from the bombs hitting all the C3 infra of the whole country and wondered if all wars ever could be won so fast and decisive. Of course, they like every other fukuyaman neo-liberal expected that nobody else would ever decide to look at the conflict and think of counter-strategies to Stormin' Norman's masterpiece.
 
The entire Iraqi Army was a bit of a joke. Tired and beaten down by the Iran Iraq war and armed with mostly outdated equipment. Their early warning systems weren't pointed to the Saudi Arabia but Israel and Iran understandably. Low morale. And also facing an entire coalition. and also general Arabarmy-itis. Lazerfag attributing the T-72 as a key failure of the Iraqi Army is just ridiculous. If the circumstances were better for the Iraqis, the T-72 should have performed better. The capability gap between a T-72M1 and say the M1A1 is significant but not ridiculously so. You can't expect one aspect of an army to hold the entire army together when everything else is collapsing or has collapsed.
I agree, the Iraqi army was in no shape to take on a 90s-level army with 70s tech. They were going to lose simply because they lost the air war early and the quality of the average Iraqi soldier wasn't on par with the average Coalition soldier.

In a way, one can point to Desert Storm as the reason why the obsession with precision weaponry is so prevalevant these days. The politicians saw camera footage from the bombs hitting all the C3 infra of the whole country and wondered if all wars ever could be won so fast and decisive. Of course, they like every other fukuyaman neo-liberal expected that nobody else would ever decide to look at the conflict and think of counter-strategies to Stormin' Norman's masterpiece.
Yup, that's why we won Iraq initially via "Shock and Awe" but struggled due to insurgents heckling our forces. Turns out speed doesn't always win a war.
 
"I bought books, so I'll be an expert"......its like he isnt even trying to not become the meme.


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A video with more speculation than the T-14 video.......woooooooooooooow.

"In conclusion, because this is made by Ching-Chongs instead of Russians, it is therefore a good tank"
I wanna go back over his post on the VT-4, because we kinda skimmed it. The VT-4 is this:
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A Chinese export tank armed with a 125mm autoloading gun, some composite armor, a 1300hp engine, and weighing in at 57 short tons. Basically a knockoff modern T-72 with western design cues just by looking at it. It's not special, it's just a cheap tank with Chink build quality for poorfag countries that don't want a ancient T-72. Why he's focusing on it, idk.
I agree, the Iraqi army was in no shape to take on a 90s-level army with 70s tech. They were going to lose simply because they lost the air war early and the quality of the average Iraqi soldier wasn't on par with the average Coalition soldier.


Yup, that's why we won Iraq initially via "Shock and Awe" but struggled due to insurgents heckling our forces. Turns out speed doesn't always win a war.
The Gulf War was rape in the first degree. All the cold War goodies were on the table. The Iraqis had a big army, but that was it. They weren't winning. Now 2003 was different. That was occupation. Which we ultimately won at a IMMENSE cost.
 
I wanna go back over his post on the VT-4, because we kinda skimmed it. The VT-4 is this:
It's a stupid thought but I can't stop remembering this. See those three holes in the side skirt? Those are foot holds, because the bugmen are short. This is the easiest way to identify ChiCom tanks at a glance and it's so ubiquitous it's taught in armor ID classes.
 
Yup, that's why we won Iraq initially via "Shock and Awe" but struggled due to insurgents heckling our forces. Turns out speed doesn't always win a war.
I do think we could have won both Iraq and Afghanistan, but we didn't like the idea of actively eliminating insurgents and installing pro-western monarchies. All the talk about “democracy” and “winning hearts and minds” ruined any chance of winning since we hampered ourselves trying to recreate the Japanese Miracle while forgetting that the Meji restoration happened beforehand.
 
I do think we could have won both Iraq and Afghanistan, but we didn't like the idea of actively eliminating insurgents and installing pro-western monarchies. All the talk about “democracy” and “winning hearts and minds” ruined any chance of winning since we hampered ourselves trying to recreate the Japanese Miracle while forgetting that the Meji restoration happened beforehand.
That was about it. You can't build a nation that doesn't want to be built. We came in, kicked down their sand castles, and instead of installing proper strongmen who would propagate the cycle of abuse that kept those places more or less stable for decades, we tried to force democracy down the throats of people who wanted religious law and/or further strongmen.

Talk about failing to read the room.
 
It's a stupid thought but I can't stop remembering this. See those three holes in the side skirt? Those are foot holds, because the bugmen are short. This is the easiest way to identify ChiCom tanks at a glance and it's so ubiquitous it's taught in armor ID classes.
Now to be fair, even the Abrams has these to a degree. They're these little wire stirrups you see near the front of the tank.
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It could be because the Abrams is fucking massive and is expected to be crewed by 5'4 manlets, but they exist.
 
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