DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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Forgive me for sperging out, but James Gunn only wrote the two live-action Scooby-Doo movies. Everyone really needs to stop calling them James Gunn movies when he never directed the two, but was only the writer. Poor Raja Gonsell.
You're good, James Gunn wrote the scripts and it felt like they had different ideas when the director/WB began to shoot them. Raja Gosnell also has a probably one of the worst filmographies I've ever seen. Smurfs, Smurfs 2, Beverly Hills Chihuahua, Big Momma's House and Home Alone 3. I don't have a lot of hope for him as a director.

Apparently he has a film in pre-production called "Santa: The Adventure Begins" from IMDB, can't wait to see that trailer.
 
Ruh Roh…
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I don't think James Gunn is a bad director and he clearly has a decent sense of storytelling but I'm concerned that his DC stuff is going to come across as too samey. When watching the new Suicide Squad film, it was actually entertaining (save for the Harley Quinn parts which dragged on too long) but I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy with a DC coat of paint.
I think DC and Marvel started going downhill around the same time. Both companies hired Kevin Smith as a writer. Hell Black Cat got rectoned as a bisexual around the same time Kevin Smith made her a rape victim. Foreshadowing the worst of the new 52 and woke shit in comics.
Fucking hell, don't even remind me. I always appreciated the irony of old Spider-Man comics that Black Cat is the one that's supposed to be this flirty femme fatale type prancing around in skintight latex yet the comics heavily implied that she was a pure virgin waifu before meeting Spider-Man and didn't really want anyone besides him while Mary Jane Watson is supposed to be a loyal, tradwife type girl who has a long list of prior lovers to Peter.

Buuut then Marvel went and shat all over that funny dynamic by making Felicia into a generic slut, so...
The Birds of Prey show on the WB back in the day was pretty decent from what I remember. Anyone else remember that show?
You might be like the third person I've ever met that actually remembers that thing exists. It's remarkable how quickly that show was memory-holed.

As for the quality, aside from some of the actresses being nice to look at it was basically Gotham-Knights-tier when adjusting for period-specific sensibilities.
 
You might be like the third person I've ever met that actually remembers that thing exists. It's remarkable how quickly that show was memory-holed.

As for the quality, aside from some of the actresses being nice to look at it was basically Gotham-Knights-tier when adjusting for period-specific sensibilities.

In my defense that show came out in like what, 2002? So I was like 12 so I can’t be judged to harshly I hope haha. Though I remember the main chick being hot and also it was never said in the show but it was implied that she was Bruce’s daughter.
 
The Burton movies were ground breaking for their time, but they are shitty Batman movies. No one's really gotten Batman well in live action though, Nolan's first two are decent to good movies, but bad Batman.

Also I do remember the Birds of Prey TV series and it was shit. Mid to low Arrowverse level.
Would claim Tim Burton came the closest, though, a big part of that is the series reshaping many aspects around the movies. Even still, Tim Burton created an aesthetic and world design that is distinctly Gotham, along with having an incredible score by Elfman. The tone was also pretty fitting. Main issues with the film are the stupid twist of giving Joker a backstory and making him the Wayne’s killer, Batman getting with Vicki Vale, and the general Burton weirdness given to Bruce Wayne.
 
The Burton movies were ground breaking for their time, but they are shitty Batman movies. No one's really gotten Batman well in live action though, Nolan's first two are decent to good movies, but bad Batman.
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I feel like expressing it anyway...
I really liked the first two Nolanverse Batman movies... Loved them even... But "The Dark Knight Rises" was an even worse movie than "Batman and Robin". By quite a lot.

The Burton Movies were both great for what they were. (A darker take on Batman, even if they took it a bit *too* dark and made Batman into a murderer... Which yeah.. But it was at least better than him dancing the fucking Batusi. No, I don't have a lot of love for 60's Batman.)

Also, I actually think "Batman Forever" is slightly underrated, even if it wasn't an amazing movie.
 
He is getting shit for it, so thought I would post.

The worst take is by far the music. That score was incredible and defined even the best Batman works.
They hated him because he told the truth. Stop making me like this guy. Between these based takes and saying he wants to emulate the DCAU I'm starting to get false hope.

Sue me but I prefer the Shirley Walker replacement theme, it has a more tragic sound, less of that Beetlejuice/Tales from the Crypt vibe. Yeah and gj dunking on Batman Begins too. Letting Ras die rankles my autism 1,000 more times than MoS's neck snap.

 
I kinda stopped caring about Batman killing a long time ago. He kills people at least once per Batman film and the comics have had him kill people on a not-too-infrequent basis with the best ones making it clear that Bruce isn't going to jump to murder as solution #1 but he isn't gonna rule it out of the question if the situation is desperate. Same reason I don't really care about Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel, my problem was with everything else surrounding that and Superman's reaction to it plus how it's treated going forward. Batman Begins has Bruce refusing to kill a farmer who murdered his neighbor so he proceeds to kill a whole HQ full of ninjas plus the farmer instead but the rest of the movie is kinda good enough that makes you forget that stupidity.
 
I kinda stopped caring about Batman killing a long time ago.
Leaving the bad guy to die just because you can would be pretty un-heroic even for a regular person irl. No idea what they were trying to get across there, or in the ninja HQ scene. Apparently Batman has a strict, zero-compromise rule about technically killing anybody personally, for some reason, but also doesn't really give a shit about people dying.

Contrast with TDK where Batman risks himself to save the Joker etc. He also engages in forensics work in TDK... I don't think BB even has a throwaway line about Bruce trying to educate himself on anything technical or scientific. Somehow a movie where Bruce doesn't put on the costume for an hour or whatever fails to establish him as a guy who acts like Batman or would be capable of doing Batman stuff.
 
Leaving the bad guy to die just because you can would be pretty un-heroic even for a regular person irl. No idea what they were trying to get across there, or in the ninja HQ scene. Apparently Batman has a strict, zero-compromise rule about technically killing anybody personally, for some reason, but also doesn't really give a shit about people dying.

Contrast with TDK where Batman risks himself to save the Joker etc. He also engages in forensics work in TDK... I don't think BB even has a throwaway line about Bruce trying to educate himself on anything technical or scientific. Somehow a movie where Bruce doesn't put on the costume for an hour or whatever fails to establish him as a guy who acts like Batman or would be capable of doing Batman stuff.
TDK kinda screwed itself by having Batman kill Harvey Dent like 5 minutes after saving the Joker. Sends a bit of a mixed message having Batman murder a regular dude and a former ally suffering a mental breakdown almost immediately after saving a mass-murdering maniac who shows basically zero remorse or confusion about what he's done. It's weirdly enough one of the few times where Batman actually going through with killing the Joker would have kept things thematically consistent. It would've also played way better into the whole "hunting Batman" thing if the GCPD had already witnessed him killing one person before Dent as well as show Batman being forced to go into greater and greater extremes to keep Gotham safe as evidenced by his NSA Machine at the end of the movie which they pussy out of showing the consequences of by having Fox destroy it in the end.
 
watched the flash, and it was good... who would have thought. I am done with Outrage grifters on you tube telling me what is woke what is not, what is good what is not .....

the flash movie was entertaining as fuck. Miller is a peice of shit in life but most actors are, we don't watch them for there personal lives, we watch because they can pretend to be some one else and entertain the masses. The flash was entertaining way to go DC.
 
I liked flash. It wouldn't call it a good flash movie nor a good movie at all but I found it 500 times more watchable and entertaining than a single MCU movie since infinity war/endgame also definitely better than wonder woman 2, shazam 2 or black Adam. admittedly a lot of my enjoyment came from wtf moments more than anything else tho. on the subject of batman, returns is my favorite superhero movie, & I love 89, Batman Begins & TDK too. however I agree TDKR is fucking terrible outside of moments I like in a vacuum outside of the movie itself, and ever since the theater I've thought the dark knight had a dumbass ending by having Batman yeet two face off of a building directly after saving the joker. I have no problem with Batman killing, nor superman for that matter. If you go back and read Batman from the 80s early post crisis he's implied causing death all the time he's just not a murderer. Although he does leave KGBeast locked in a room to starve to death and die although they retconned that to bring him back. I've always hated Batman's no killing rule because my definitive idea of Batman is against murder, but collateral damage or manslaughter is part of the superhero game. I feel the same way with superman (who is my favorite fictional character if it matters) although I see Superman more of he will flat out kill someone if its absolutely necessary like darkseid is going to destroy reality itself or something, doomsday who is just a monster who literally won't stop, etc but would never do it without the circumstances being absolutely 0 other options. in man of steel I thought it was fine because he didn't have any idea what he was doing, and the fuck else in the moment was he going to do with zod anyways? My point I guess is I don't give a fuck about them killing people as long as it's not like intentional murder for the sake of murder.
 
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