DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Doctor of Autism]

I may not be a big money executive, but even I know this doesn't make sense after the basically shilling the company's streaming platform in the Space Jam sequel.
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WB just really loves to make stupid decisions. The only sensible decision they've made with DC is reboot the damn thing, even if it's too late (that should've been done after Joss Whedon's Justice League was a flop)

 

[Product Placement]

I may not be a big money executive, but even I know this doesn't make sense after the basically shilling the company's streaming platform in the Space Jam sequel.
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My guess is it going to the free ad based streamer they have which is due soon. It's where Westworld which they also removed is going.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I'm confused

Why is Justice League/Unlimited leaving HBO Max? Don't they like...own it?

 

[Michael Wade]

I'm not really sure what closure there really is. Justice League's Special Cut was fundamentally the same movie as Whedon League except stretched out over 4 hours with slightly more Cyborg backstory and an even worse Steppenwolf. Snyder is basically Hideo Kojima levels of self-indulgent and I can totally see why DC just doesn't care to entertain him further. That being said Gunn piloting the ship is not an improvement, his style worked for Suicide Squad but it will not work for the rest of DC.

Did you even watch the synder cut? Look the first hour ill admit is filled with stuff that could have been cut, but the rest of it is an epic extravaganza of action. Cyborg gets a shit ton of backstory that makes him incredibly likable and a lot more interesting then in the wedon cut. Despite Ezra's recent insanity, Flash gets a lot of screentime that makes him stand out as probably the best character. And steppenwolf? He looks like a warhammer 40k demon who's coming down to literally mindfuck and enslave anybody he can get his hands on to find what he wants.

Everything has much better context, better fights and ironically better humor. I loved his previous D.C movies but it really does feel like Zack did his best to make this movie feel more lively.


Also I am a sucker for his version of batman.

I'm confused

Why is Justice League/Unlimited leaving HBO Max? Don't they like...own it?

It's especally odd after Gunn said his "vision" of DC going forward is going to be based on it. Yeah..... Ill believe it when I see it.

 

[Product Placement]

I'm confused

Why is Justice League/Unlimited leaving HBO Max? Don't they like...own it?

One of three reasons
1. they have licensed it out to someone else such as netflix
2. They don't want to pay any residuals on it
3. They are moving it to the free ad based streamer they have coming out.

They did remove Wetsworld and few other shows a few weeks ago with the plan being to put it on rival FAST services before their own service comes out.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/warner-bros-discovery-hbo-max-fast-1235461623/

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Did you even watch the synder cut? Look the first hour ill admit is filled with stuff that could have been cut, but the rest of it is an epic extravaganza of action. Cyborg gets a shit ton of backstory that makes him incredibly likable and a lot more interesting then in the wedon cut. Despite Ezra's recent insanity, Flash gets a lot of screentime that makes him stand out as probably the best character. And steppenwolf? He looks like a warhammer 40k demon who's coming down to literally mindfuck and enslave anybody he can get his hands on to find what he wants.

Everything has much better context, better fights and ironically better humor. I loved his previous D.C movies but it really does feel like Zack did his best to make this movie feel more lively.

I did and I don't really see most of what you see. Cyborg gets more backstory, I already said that, but it's really the only thing that stands out and the fact that it took Snyder 4 fucking hours to do it when it could have been effectively done in 2 is notable. Flash gets more screentime but it's empty and pointless for the most part (especially that stupid as fuck rescuing Iris scene). He has no character arc or development or anything, he's still wacky comic relief and his grand "let's turn back time moment" is literally just a case of him deciding to actually use his near-omnipotency for something helpful for once. Steppenwolf...no. When I saw the screenshots of Steppenwolf from Snyder's version, I legit thought it was a joke at first because he looks like absolute fucking garbage and it made me stop poking fun at Whedon's version. At least Whedon's version didn't look like a lump of shit rolled around in a box of nails.

Yeah Cyborg is slightly better but given 4 hours and the benefit of hindsight which allowed Snyder to cut out shit he made which was hated in the Whedon version, this really isn't a screaming endorsement.

 

[Michael Wade]

I did and I don't really see most of what you see. Cyborg gets more backstory, I already said that, but it's really the only thing that stands out and the fact that it took Snyder 4 fucking hours to do it when it could have been effectively done in 2 is notable. Flash gets more screentime but it's empty and pointless for the most part (especially that stupid as fuck rescuing Iris scene). He has no character arc or development or anything, he's still wacky comic relief and his grand "let's turn back time moment" is literally just a case of him deciding to actually use his near-omnipotency for something helpful for once. Steppenwolf...no. When I saw the screenshots of Steppenwolf from Snyder's version, I legit thought it was a joke at first because he looks like absolute fucking garbage and it made me stop poking fun at Whedon's version. At least Whedon's version didn't look like a lump of shit rolled around in a box of nails.

Yeah Cyborg is slightly better but given 4 hours and the benefit of hindsight which allowed Snyder to cut out shit he made which was hated in the Whedon version, this really isn't a screaming endorsement.

Benefit of hindsight? Everything not in the Synder cut was filmed by Whedon. Which means aside from a handful of scenes, Whedons movie is bland, abject, cape shit. There's like two good scenes with the civilians, where batman tells flash to save one when he panics about saving them all, and the competition between flash and superman. That's it.

I cannot see how steppenwolf from a design and plot standpoint is worse. I cant. They stan him hard in the whedon cut but he's fucking pathetic. he's a ps3 god of war cutscene brought to life with no personality or presence. And he's supposed to be such a badass. It's lame. Zack's cut gives him a lot more, but at the same time the justice league isnt helpless when fighting him. So it feels like there's actual balance.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Benefit of hindsight? Everything not in the Synder cut was filmed by Whedon. Which means aside from a handful of scenes, Whedons movie is bland, abject, cape shit. There's like two good scenes with the civilians, where batman tells flash to save one when he panics about saving them all, and the competition between flash and superman. That's it.

You know some of those crap scenes in Whedon's version that were hated by audiences? They were filmed by Snyder. That's what I mean by benefit of hindsight, he knew already what audiences thought was cringy and tried to cut that shit out or else changed it in order to make it less "cringy".

I cannot see how steppenwolf from a design and plot standpoint is worse. I cant. They stan him hard in the whedon cut but he's fucking pathetic. he's a ps3 god of war cutscene brought to life with no personality or presence. And he's supposed to be such a badass. It's lame. Zack's cut gives him a lot more, but at the same time the justice league isnt helpless when fighting him. So it feels like there's actual balance.

I can easily. Steppenwolf in the Whedon version isn't super outstanding but he looks like an actual New God and his design is closer to the comics. Snyder's version...I don't even know what the fuck he was thinking, he can clearly do better but it's like someone took a lump of shit, rolled it like Play-Doh and dipped it into a vat of razorblades with kawaii eyes. In Snyder's version, he's looking for daddy Darkseid's approval and that's about it. At least in Whedon's version, he's in it for himself which is actually closer to comic Steppenwolf and it also avoids the whole shitshow with Darkseid being involved but not fucking doing anything.

I also don't really see how the Justice League is helpless when fighting him. Yeah, he can take all of them in both versions but they also still have the issue of Superman being able to drop him with zero effort.

 

[Michael Wade]

You know some of those crap scenes in Whedon's version that were hated by audiences? They were filmed by Snyder. That's what I mean by benefit of hindsight, he knew already what audiences thought was cringy and tried to cut that shit out or else changed it in order to make it less "cringy".

Citation needed.

I can easily. Steppenwolf in the Whedon version isn't super outstanding but he looks like an actual New God and his design is closer to the comics. Snyder's version...I don't even know what the fuck he was thinking, he can clearly do better but it's like someone took a lump of shit, rolled it like Play-Doh and dipped it into a vat of razorblades with kawaii eyes. In Snyder's version, he's looking for daddy Darkseid's approval and that's about it. At least in Whedon's version, he's in it for himself which is actually closer to comic Steppenwolf and it also avoids the whole shitshow with Darkseid being involved but not fucking doing anything.

Admittedly this is an assumption on my part, but typically the new gods keep Darkside from simply conquering the universe, if they are not in this then the green lantern core would be a good substitute. (Steppenwolf does mention them now that I think about it) He's a big enough fish to cause trouble without superman around, but small enough to not immediately set off darkside's opposition.

Instead of the manhunter at the end Zack wanted John Stewart to show up before DC stupidly vetoed it for... basically no reason sense their GL show never materialized.

I also don't really see how the Justice League is helpless when fighting him. Yeah, he can take all of them in both versions but they also still have the issue of Superman being able to drop him with zero effort.

Here's the thing, In the whedon cut what did aquaman do? Can you name one significant scene of him kicking ass or really... doing anything? He's basically standing around in the background and hits steppenwolf maybe... once? Take that and basically apply it to everyone sans superman. There's no moment you can pull from memory of anybody doing significant damage or harm to steppenwolf before superman shows up in the whedon.

In the zack verson they are doing damage, not enough to take him down, but enough to make him pause and slow him down multiple times. It's even apparent that if they had the luxury of time and a bit more practice they could kill him. the problem is he can teleport and they are racing against the clock to get the box away from him. While your right superman curb stomps him in both versions, I liked how brutal superman was in the synder cut, he really goes to town on him and cuts loose at full power. But your forgetting how even then Stepphenwolf actually accomplished his goal and set up the motherboxes to blow. Superman literally gets BLOWN APART by the force of the explosion. They only managed to pull off the impossible and win with the flashes help.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Citation needed.


Admittedly this is an assumption on my part, but typically the new gods keep Darkside from simply conquering the universe, if they are not in this then the green lantern core would be a good substitute. (Steppenwolf does mention them now that I think about it) He's a big enough fish to cause trouble without superman around, but small enough to not immediately set off darkside's opposition.

Instead of the manhunter at the end Zack wanted John Stewart to show up before DC stupidly vetoed it for... basically no reason sense their GL show never materialized.

Here's the thing, In the whedon cut what did aquaman do? Can you name one significant scene of him kicking ass or really... doing anything? He's basically standing around in the background and hits steppenwolf maybe... once? Take that and basically apply it to everyone sans superman. There's no moment you can pull from memory of anybody doing significant damage or harm to steppenwolf before superman shows up in the whedon.

In the zack verson they are doing damage, not enough to take him down, but enough to make him pause and slow him down multiple times. It's even apparent that if they had the luxury of time and a bit more practice they could kill him. the problem is he can teleport and they are racing against the clock to get the box away from him. While your right superman curb stomps him in both versions, I liked how brutal superman was in the synder cut, he really goes to town on him and cuts loose at full power. But your forgetting how even then Stepphenwolf actually accomplished his goal and set up the motherboxes to blow. Superman literally gets BLOWN APART by the force of the explosion. They only managed to pull off the impossible and win with the flashes help.

1) "Just like a bat. I dig it." Remember that shit from the original movie? Snyder's work. He cut it out though unfortunately he didn't cut out the vastly worse shit like Ezra's Flash making gay quips about needing friends.

2) Darkseid IS a New God. Apokolips, New Genesis, they are all New Gods and Apokolips certainly doesn't care to stop their master from conquering the universe, that's what they live for. Snyder's version has Steppenwolf telling Darkseid that hey, the Anti-Life Equation is on Earth and Darkseid is totally cool watching Steppenwolf fail and get his ass beat instead of immediately mounting a huge invasion of Earth to get the one thing he craves above all else.

3) You'd have to be actively ignoring Aquaman and Wonder Woman tag-teaming Steppenwolf multiple times (which makes sense as they are the only two members that can actually stand up to him. Well Flash can too but in Whedon's version he's afraid at first and then used to blitz the parademons and save civilians while in Snyder's version he kind of just does nothing until the plot calls for him to turn back time). They slow him down a bit in both versions but neither makes a significant difference until Superman shows up. Sure they COULD kill him, in fact Flash could do it quite easily given how insanely overpowered he is but Steppenwolf can still match all of them. He can't match Superman.

I like some bits of Snyder's version and some bit of Whedon's version when it comes to the final fight. I liked Superman blocking Steppenwolf's axe with his shoulder in Snyder's version, that was cooler than Superman's truth and justice crack. I LOLed at Snyder changing Superman dodging Steppenwolf trying to punch him to Superman dodging Steppenwolf trying to open hand strike him, something that makes no fucking sense and looks awkward as hell. I liked Superman's joke about wanting to die after breaking apart the mother boxes in Whedon's version. And yeah, Steppenwolf lucks out with the Mother Boxes syncing faster (because plot said so, I guess) in Snyder's version but that's mostly because Barry doesn't listen when Cyborg tells him that he's ready for Barry to give him a power boost.

But anyway, this is getting off-topic. Going back to my original point, Snyder's version is, at its core, just a 4-hour Whedon version with a color filter and more filler. The plot isn't really fundamentally all that different which is what Snyder tried to mislead people into thinking.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I may not be a big money executive, but even I know this doesn't make sense after the basically shilling the company's streaming platform in the Space Jam sequel.
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Why is Warner Bros. removing their own material on the platform, and replacing it with reality TV nonsense? I've noticed that with my parents' account. All this type of stuff does is encourage piracy. More and more reality home-building and cooking shows, on top of socialite reality TV shows, have been popping up in promoted shows.

Did you even watch the synder cut? Look the first hour ill admit is filled with stuff that could have been cut, but the rest of it is an epic extravaganza of action. Cyborg gets a shit ton of backstory that makes him incredibly likable and a lot more interesting then in the wedon cut. Despite Ezra's recent insanity, Flash gets a lot of screentime that makes him stand out as probably the best character. And steppenwolf? He looks like a warhammer 40k demon who's coming down to literally mindfuck and enslave anybody he can get his hands on to find what he wants.

Everything has much better context, better fights and ironically better humor. I loved his previous D.C movies but it really does feel like Zack did his best to make this movie feel more lively.


Also I am a sucker for his version of batman.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VqHsq9nmADA:161
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JqjNtI5-1-I:128


It's especally odd after Gunn said his "vision" of DC going forward is going to be based on it. Yeah..... Ill believe it when I see it.

I did and I don't really see most of what you see. Cyborg gets more backstory, I already said that, but it's really the only thing that stands out and the fact that it took Snyder 4 fucking hours to do it when it could have been effectively done in 2 is notable. Flash gets more screentime but it's empty and pointless for the most part (especially that stupid as fuck rescuing Iris scene). He has no character arc or development or anything, he's still wacky comic relief and his grand "let's turn back time moment" is literally just a case of him deciding to actually use his near-omnipotency for something helpful for once. Steppenwolf...no. When I saw the screenshots of Steppenwolf from Snyder's version, I legit thought it was a joke at first because he looks like absolute fucking garbage and it made me stop poking fun at Whedon's version. At least Whedon's version didn't look like a lump of shit rolled around in a box of nails.

Yeah Cyborg is slightly better but given 4 hours and the benefit of hindsight which allowed Snyder to cut out shit he made which was hated in the Whedon version, this really isn't a screaming endorsement.

I still think they should have taken the Marvel route and gave Cyborg, the Flash and Aquaman solo movies before the Justice League film so that they wouldn't have had to waste time in the Justice League film doing all of that. Despite Flash having much more backstory, a lot of it consisted of throwaway lines regarding his father being in prison that could have been in its own movie.

Snyder's version was a hell of a lot better and more epic than Whedon's version, but there is still much to be worked on. That might just be a result of corporate interference, though.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Why is Warner Bros. removing their own material on the platform, and replacing it with reality TV nonsense? I've noticed that with my parents' account. All this type of stuff does is encourage piracy. More and more reality home-building and cooking shows, on top of socialite reality TV shows, have been popping up in promoted shows.

It's because David Zaslav still believes that reality TV is the biggest thing ever, and is a complete moron who doesn't understand the demographics well.

I still think they should have taken the Marvel route and gave Cyborg, the Flash and Aquaman solo movies before the Justice League film so that they wouldn't have had to waste time in the Justice League film doing all of that. Despite Flash having much more backstory, a lot of it consisted of throwaway lines regarding his father being in prison that could have been in its own movie.

Snyder's version was a hell of a lot better and more epic than Whedon's version, but there is still much to be worked on. That might just be a result of corporate interference, though.

Snyder's version was still better than Whedon's version but both are turds at the end of the day, with Snyder's looking more clean.

But honestly with a DC Cinematic universe, they really should've just started with the Justice League already since they are more iconic than the Avengers so there really wasn't that much of a need to build up to them. You could give them solo movies afterwards.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

It's because David Zaslav still believes that reality TV is the biggest thing ever, and is a complete moron who doesn't understand the demographics well.

Is it that he thinks it's the biggest thing ever, or it's just simply a better return on investment at this point?

And I agree that they should just started with a Justice League movie. People really act like everyone needs a big origin story film but like jesus christ how hard is it to just grasp each characters personality and powers and enjoy the story being told? How many people don't fucking know Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and have at least a general knowledge of Green Lantern, Flash and Aquaman?

For all the talk of how Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were relatively unknown before the MCU (it's bullshit but tards love to say this shit) how could anyone feel the same way about Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman at the very least? Why do X-Men films not need 5 set up films but Justice League does for some reason?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Is it that he thinks it's the biggest thing ever, or it's just simply a better return on investment at this point?

And I agree that they should just started with a Justice League movie. People really act like everyone needs a big origin story film but like jesus christ how hard is it to just grasp each characters personality and powers and enjoy the story being told? How many people don't fucking know Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and have at least a general knowledge of Green Lantern, Flash and Aquaman?

For all the talk of how Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were relatively unknown before the MCU (it's bullshit but tards love to say this shit) how could anyone feel the same way about Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman at the very least?

To be fair, it wasn’t that Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America weren’t well known but that no one really knew anything about them beyond that they exist. Whereas with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman there is more known about them to normies in comparison and are much more famous

 

[ZMOT]

And I agree that they should just started with a Justice League movie. People really act like everyone needs a big origin story film but like jesus christ how hard is it to just grasp each characters personality and powers and enjoy the story being told? How many people don't fucking know Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and have at least a general knowledge of Green Lantern, Flash and Aquaman?

For all the talk of how Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were relatively unknown before the MCU (it's bullshit but tards love to say this shit) how could anyone feel the same way about Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman at the very least? Why do X-Men films not need 5 set up films but Justice League does for some reason?

because justice league is more than just supes, batman and ww. normies will inevitably go "who are those guys, and why should I care about them?" - and normies are the target demographic.
it's also part due to storytelling, give each hero their own little personal conflict they have to complete first/makes them who they are (and sets them up for the audience), then let them team up with higher stakes and even bigger explosions.

the other aspect is that studios like to test the waters this way before dumping billions on multiple movies, and use that data how to proceed for max returns (big earners get more movies/screentime/etc.).

 

[Uranus Pink]

Why do X-Men films not need 5 set up films but Justice League does for some reason?

X-Men had the advantage of even normies had a basic knowledge and understanding of who were the main core of the X-Men group up to the Chris Claremont and Jim Lee mid 90ies era.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

X-Men had the advantage of even normies had a basic knowledge and understanding of who were the main core of the X-Men group up to the Chris Claremont and Jim Lee mid 90ies era.

Are we really under the belief now that normies had/have no knowledge or understanding of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash? Especially millennials who were basically raised on Justice League/Unlimited?

Maybe Zoomers, sure, since they've been raised on nothing but soy and MCU for the past decade, but everyone else?

 

[Uranus Pink]

Are we really under the belief now that normies had/have no knowledge or understanding of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash? Especially millennials who were basically raised on Justice League/Unlimited?

Those superheros everyone knows, it is Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman and the other secondary, tertiary and etc. characters whom people start asking who are they.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Those superheros everyone knows, it is Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman and the other secondary, tertiary and etc. characters whom people start asking who are they.

But do they really *need* an entire movie origin story to work?

Like I get everyone is fucking retarded these days, but they're not *that* retarded. Children could pick up on who the fuck these people were in the late 90s/early 2000's with the Justice League cartoon. Marvel fans could figure out Hawkeye and Black Widow without them needing their own movie.

That's not even getting into how Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman weren't in the (original) movie. Cyborg is the one character you can make the argument people knew little to nothing about, and even then they were able to make it so you "got it" in the film. Justice League was plagued with problems, Cyborg not having an origin film wasn't one of the problems though.

 

[Uranus Pink]

But do they really *need* an entire movie origin story to work?

FUCK NO!!!! and not when it have been done repeatedly in cinema history when all the movie needs at most is a few minutes for each character of the group. Yet for super hero movies the studios are compelled to cover everything from conception, childhood to wherever the actual story supposed to take place.