My mistake lol. Actually, yea I wouldn't mind seeing a Reeves Joker
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No worries. And I'm 50/50 on seeing a sequel to Joker. The first was an interesting and intense little movie and there's a lot more they can do with that character. On the other hand, Lady Gaga.
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And that's the thing, the first Joaquin Joker ended on a high note, and I'm also very cautious and even scared about its sequel, let alone a bit excited. Todd Philips could pull off a sequel explaining more details about Joker's life, especially after his time in Arham Asylum for the on-screen murder of Murray Franklin in his show.
Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn is something I'm also skeptical about, but I could see her pulling it off. So yea, this is also 50/50 for me
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What I'm half expecting is that he'll learn more into the is it real / is it not. Which I think might be a mistake. You already have a lot of people convinced that nothing in the film is real and all of it is just in Joker's mind. Which if that were true would completely devalue all the emotional weight of the story. Alternately we might see more delving into his past. There's a line in the first "Do you remember why you were on these meds?" or something to that effect. An implication that he's been dangerous before. That also could be a risk of undermining the first movie. A lot of people read it as an indictment of "the system" but if Joker is already a dangerous lunatic prior to the first film then really it's just an indictment of not locking mentally ill people up away from society. It might be a good movie but there's some serious thematic landmines that the script could tread on if not careful.
Regards the character of Harley Quin, I hope they move away from the idea of her being this person absolved by her victimhood. It was touching when the original animated series dabbled lightly with that. But recent comics and the movies really go to town with this idea that she's a victim therefore everything she does is fine and we should be on her side. I like to keep her as someone bad/wrong in her own right. An enabler of the Joker if you will. The Harley Quin in the two-parter The Dark Prince Charming was suitably horrible:
Going so far as to actually threaten an eight-year old girl for the most bizarre reasons.
Basically I dislike any version that plays the card of "I suffer no moral fault because I'm a victim". The original animated version occasionally established the victim side of things and got viewer sympathy but it never used it was an excuse to not take responsibility. Hell, they had a kind of whole episode about exactly that!
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I think the Penguin show is suppose to premiere later this year. Unless this rumor is debunked, that show may be locked away like the Batgirl movie.
Two versions of Harley that were refreshing was the one in the 2004 Batman animated series, where Joker wasn't abusive and more infatuated with Harley, and the one from one of the Telltale Games where she was the domineering one in the relationship.
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The Engineer (The Authority, presumably) has leaked images out as she will be in Gunn's Superman movie.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about Joker 2. Mostly because I was so ready to write off the first one as pretentious bullshit only to be pleasantly surprised by the release.
Also, how many fucking cameos are gonna be in this Superman movie? Christ.
Also, how many fucking cameos are gonna be in this Superman movie? Christ.
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I personally think The Batman Part 2 is only just being delayed since if it was shelved outright, they wouldn't tie a release date to it. It also made money at the box office and while WB is retarded, they aren't dumb enough to pull the plug on super mainstream Batman stuff.
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I don't like the haircut & the outfit is a bit lazy looking, but otherwise, would?
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They braided up the hair for CGI in Aquaman, so this probably won’t be how she looks in the film. She turns metal in the comics, so the costume will likely be all effects for better or worse.
She looks like a whiter female version of Xzibit
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I'd unironically be totally OK with DC canning The Batman 2 in favor of Gunn's stuff. Gunn may have his flaws but at least his movies are generally fun without tipping over into obnoxious like standard MCU fare (though Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. III skirted dangerously close to that territory). The Batman literally just aped Nolan without understanding any of what made Nolan's Batman so effective and what the logic was behind those movies (it was literally just a thought experiment "what if Batman was set in the real world" and even then Nolan didn't go full retard with it like Reeves did). The same goes for Joker. To this day I have no idea what the fuck people saw that was so compelling about that basic bitch snooze-fest of a film.
I dunno, maybe it's the fact that I'm reaching an age where I have to spend more time dealing with actually important real life shit and just want well-done entertainment and not crap made by hacks that think they are Herman Hesse for superhero flicks.
I dunno, maybe it's the fact that I'm reaching an age where I have to spend more time dealing with actually important real life shit and just want well-done entertainment and not crap made by hacks that think they are Herman Hesse for superhero flicks.
Joker wasn't that bad. At least the story behind it makes more sense than Reeves' Batman adaptation
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Joker will very likely be remembered as one of the biggest movies of the 2010s, with most not understanding it unless you look at the context of the movie’s release. It was a politically contentious movie that released right at the correct time. Trump became president and had the entire media hone in to take him down, creating many Republicans who are disillusioned by the current state of affairs. Dems were also hit as Bernie got much of the same treatment during 2016, and arguably got un-democratically snubbed by Clinton who happened to know enough people to make voting irrelevant in the DNC. You had two sides absolutely pissed at the system and media targeting them.
From this comes Joker, a movie that seems to actually take political aim at these groups. It called out the news media for spinning things into political narratives (Joker shot rich people who were harassing him, then the media claimed it was an act against Wayne). It called out shit-bags like Colbert for being thinly-veiled propaganda for the Dems. (Murray was the big family-man comedian who made most of show at the expanse of Wayne’s opposition, willing to take in genuinely ill people and bash them for political points). Then finally, it took aim at politicians with the Waynes being an obvious progressive stand in who was cutting funding to the mental health clinics and leaving people like Joker to rot, not to mention the story line of Wayne covering up a rape.
To say the least, even for seeming basic in its messaging, these were all things that were massive no-nos in Hollywood at the time (and still). The only criticism you can have is about Trump, Christians and how politicians (Republican) put down stronk minority. Joker went more for the throat, and thus caused a massive media backlash with news trying to run this movie as something that will inspire terrorism. That incels would rise and kill people in the streets for Trump thinking they were the Joker. They used the previous Dark Knight Rises shooting and 4chan making Joker gamer memes as evidence to fear monger.
Joker was many Zoomers first “real” controversial film. It was a movie that actually got under the skin of our betters, and wasn’t just evil Republican no like stronk minority bs you see with every other big film.
Knowing how Dems are cracking down hard on dissidents, I have very little hope for Joker 2. Watch them make Joker some progressive gay who is fighting the evil conservatives as that is the PC thing to be. Joker was a film that fit more as a mass political statement than a movie. You really cannot recapture something like it.
Not to mention the other massacres that did happen in 2019 which were prior to the movie's existence (Christchurch church shooting, Kyoto Animation arson attacks, El Paso Walmart shooting, etc.) that led journos and celebs believe that the movie would target to "incels, chuds, or right-wingers" or bullshit buzzwords they'll throw in just to do more fear mongering towards the film's release.
The same controversy happened with both The Hunt and Rambo: Last Blood, with the former already pulling its release from Universal until March 2020, albeit one of the last final theatrical releases before the start of the pandemic, and the latter was, well, just a shitty, boring, anti-climactic ending to the Rambo series. Joker, however, was and still is a more remembered movie, especially to many zoomers, while the other two were just forgotten.
Considering the leftists have already changed their minds and like the movie during the pandemic when the St. Floyd riots happened and praised it for being an allegory for how it's a movie "demoting police brutality" or some stupid Limp Bizkit shit, I wouldn't be surprised that the sequel will suck
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Leftists always liked the movie, it was just the higher groups that hated it. Even right-wing grifters tried to spin the movie as promoting Antifa. The politics of it were decently vague, so both political extremes latched on.
The media mostly went for right-wingers as going after BLM and Antifa was an obvious no-no if they want to maintain Dem superiority. It just makes it all the more funny when you see these left-wing groups take to it during 2020 in mass, completely shattering the false narrative.
Being honest, I cannot even recall controversies for those 2. Joker was definitely a bigger and more lasting one.
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No offense but you seem to be reading shit into Joker that suits your personal political preferences. It reminds me of people who tried to argue in full seriousness that Neil Blomkamp's early 2010s films were actually anti-leftist subversive pieces of art. Arthur shooting a bunch of rich people, Murray making fun of him and poor people in general, all of that stuff is really standard progressive programming and you have to be reading really deep into it to see anything else. Even the Waynes being corrupt shitheads was them trying to coast on the plot points from the Telltale games (The Batman did the same thing except it didn't even have the guts to ride that to its conclusion). I certainly never found anyone among the normie crowd who even remotely made a connection to Trump and media and the political circus. Especially since Joker was pretty popular in countries outside of the US where this doesn't apply.
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You have to remember that Joker was directly made in response to woke culture. Todd Phillips was a comedy writer who did the Hangover films previously till said culture deemed his style too offensive. Even if he claims that it is just a movie about a guy making bad decisions, the entire foundation of the project was built off political changes.
The discourse around this film was insane, to the point where the US military was said to have gotten involved in the article. Tons of incel readings swarmed this film to fear monger over it.
Is my reading accurate, likely not, but I at least wanted to pull out what I believe some were latching onto to deem this as some anti-government masterpiece. I took it from a more Republican angle given the foundation and majority of pushback, but it is also a pretty progressive movie. Libs liked the anti-government and politician rhetoric, along with the mental health messaging. You can really apply Joker’s story to any outsider group these days and it would likely fit.
It was banned in pretty much all major Asian countries for the reasons I listed: China, India and it seems Japan. As for the other nations, do the politics really not also affect them? Most of the EU is not too dissimilar politics wise from the US and countries like Russia are not exactly great to the point where anti-government rhetoric would still match them.
This is why The Batman never got the same controversy. It also made sure to fall back on approved messages as there was a strong black progressive women there who would save the city.
It is more of a time thing. In the 2000s, this likely wouldn’t be seen as anything to special, it was just Taxi Driver / Black Swan. Post 2016 was very strict about movie content, both due to woke and more likely China.
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I have nowhere else to make this post besides here but I was hanging out with my best bud growing up for the first time in years because we live across the country from one another. we were discussing the state of dc movies and that neither of us really have faith in Gunn because not only is the brand tainted in GA eyes but also neither of us like what we've surmised about his take on superman.
anyway we eventually got to how as people our age it's essentially a crime they wasted Keaton in flash who as our first Batman should have been utilized in a movie based on our formative batman, Batman Beyond. and that they essentially did that in a DOA Batgirl movie that even had it been good would have been a worse option. this compounded into my buddy telling me hold on I have something that you'll love.
when we were kids my pop was one of those 'cool parents' who couldn't be a dad worth a fuck but would hang out with us. My friend wanders back with a 10+ year old cell phone and pulls up a video where he was recording my dog at the time doing goofy shit while we were watching Batman Returns.
to set the stage we are both drunk as fuck in the middle of the night trying to roll a joint in chairs in a garage watching Batman returns on a 12 inch tv from its built in vcr while my dog beats the living fuck out of a stuffed frog, and my Vietnamese dad wanders in, says what are you boys doing? Looks at the tv, goes huh Batman? "Say, you ever fuck a nigger in the ass in the pale moonlight?" grabs a beer, and walks off. straight up Steve buscemi fellow kids meme
anyway we eventually got to how as people our age it's essentially a crime they wasted Keaton in flash who as our first Batman should have been utilized in a movie based on our formative batman, Batman Beyond. and that they essentially did that in a DOA Batgirl movie that even had it been good would have been a worse option. this compounded into my buddy telling me hold on I have something that you'll love.
when we were kids my pop was one of those 'cool parents' who couldn't be a dad worth a fuck but would hang out with us. My friend wanders back with a 10+ year old cell phone and pulls up a video where he was recording my dog at the time doing goofy shit while we were watching Batman Returns.
to set the stage we are both drunk as fuck in the middle of the night trying to roll a joint in chairs in a garage watching Batman returns on a 12 inch tv from its built in vcr while my dog beats the living fuck out of a stuffed frog, and my Vietnamese dad wanders in, says what are you boys doing? Looks at the tv, goes huh Batman? "Say, you ever fuck a nigger in the ass in the pale moonlight?" grabs a beer, and walks off. straight up Steve buscemi fellow kids meme
Due to its subject matter, The Hunt was a movie that was pulled indefinitely by Universal from its original September 27, 2019 schedule following the El Paso and Dayton shootings. But then when Joker became a huge hit with audiences, Universal changed its mind by releasing it on March 13, 2020, albeit on the final day movies were even released in theatres before the pandemic happened the next week
Rambo: Last Blood was shat on by journos for "glorifying Trump's America" and "only reeecist chuds that shoot poeple would watch it," but at the end, was just a shitty, forgettable Rambo movie
Plus, before Todd Phillips made the Hangover trilogy, Old School and Road Trip, he made a documentary about GG Allin, the most anti-PC punk rock artist