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I hate that Gunn has KC in his sights.
He’s the last guy I’d want adapt one of the greatest comics of all time.
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I hate that Gunn has KC in his sights.
He’s the last guy I’d want adapt one of the greatest comics of all time.
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Please tell me that it's just a placeholder because holy fuck does that look bad. The New 52 look except they forgot that it's supposed to be nanotech armor so it just look like a cheap homemade suit that has lines all over it for no reason. Also Corenswet still looks like crap and not at all like Superman. For all the shit I give Snyder, his casting of Cavill was spot on.
I dunno why everyone thinks that "John Carter" somehow made the thing unrecognizable to science-fiction fans. If you are aware of the character and the story, then not having "Of Mars" in the title shouldn't confuse you at all. It just seems like one of those nonsensical excuses that people made up for a not-so-good movie performing not-so-well. I remember one of the biggest complaints at the time was that the actor playing John was completely unsuitable (I think it was the guy who played Gambit in X-Men Origins: Wolverine if memory serves).
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I think it simply comes down to the fact that they didn't want to risk another bomb with "Mars" in the title, as it would remind people Mars Needs Moms existed barely a year ago
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streaming changed the algorithm in people's minds. its easier to wait the couple more weeks to watch X for free vs pay for it. its like how gamepass led to people never buying xbox exclusives because its cheaper to pay the $1 for a month to play them than pay $70.
The pandemic stopped it being a habit for people too, i had a teacher in high school who went to the movies every weekend, meaning a new movie friday saturday and sunday. Which wasn't that odd because pre-2020 you'd usually have a big movie than a counter-programming feature and then usually some indie film or international film.
but she gave up when movies were closed in 2020, beyond that the output was so slow and still is. Beyond that is the fact that the industry was too overreliant on blockbusters and especially superhero films. once people decided the MCU sucked the entire house of cards crumbled. That covers revenue, as for expenses. Its absurd to keep making 200 million dollar movies and expect a billion dollar gross.
in the 2010s there was on average something like 4 billion dollar movies ever year, so aiming for that as the target price doesn't seem too absurd, but now we're down to 1 billion dollar movie every year.
To put it in perspective revenues for films is where it was back in 1999, but the expenses are triple what they were for even the top grossing movies of that year.
while that could also be about inflation its also a lot of bad practices when it comes to an overreliance on fixing things in post. you look at these 200 million dollar films and ask "where did the money go?" because the CGI is so shit.
Another problem is that unlike 1999 when tv shows with $2 million dollar budgets were extremely rare. nowadays your average tv show has a $25 million/hr budget so your $100 million dollar movie doesn't look so amazing. Its sort of the same reason the Chinese box office dried up in the last half decade, the spectacle of US movies got stale. This is a big reason Fall Guys flopped, it felt like something you could watch at home for free, a streaming film. as we saw from Knight and Day or The Tourist, audiences won't pay for "a bunch of assholes having a fun time on a movie set" style films, those were never big films despite people thinking otherwise. If anything people hate seeing the people on screen have fun, its like laughing during sitcoms it turns people off.
Having said all that, we really are in the modern version of the 70s in terms of the sort of films that are being released. way more hidden gems and out there style films than we used to see in the 2010s. its clear that lower budget films with massive marketing budgets is the way to go as A24 has shown. Just like during the new hollywood days, horror led the way, we're easily a decade into horror being hilariously unfairly popular and high grossing. Jason Blum is a household name in a way the New Line Cinema ceo wasn't (but freddy was)
Overall between the success of "outside the system" films like Taylor Swift's film or that christian Taken ripoff, i'd say we should get ready for even more indie studios to take a shot at releasing their films wide. Whats stopping some redneck millionaire from making a movie all about country stuff the same way they did in the 70s with the rise of grindhouse style films
Especially with how the depression will cause revenues to fall even more for $100 million+ budget films i doubt movies as we know them can really survive. the major studios were called that because they were responsible for the major films instead of the more niche indie films. a Mario bros or TMNT film went from something an indie film studio would make to being the marquee film of a major studio. thats how quickly shits falling, they already went from 6 studios to 5 pre-depression and i doubt we'll see more than 3 by the end of this decade.
As much as people might hate it, just in general a Troma-style studio might be the best option for a film studio right now. embrace a counter programming from the usual woke shit. make deadpool look like RuPaul's drag race. in a world where Shane Gillis can be the biggest comedian on the planet but barely get a commercial there's an obvious massive market for more youthful, more non-woke content.
my favorite part is people saying John Carter is a terrible name for a film when John Wick came out the very next year. In general the story was cliche and shit.
the Cis destroyed another film franchise, the monsters!
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It didn't confuse me you are correct. But unless I have grossly misjudged things then I, as a fan of pre-WWI sci-fi, am not representative of the masses. There were other weaknesses in the marketing but "John Carter" means nothing to the bulk of people and most certainly doesn't intuitively make you think gladiatorial battles against giant Martian apes and ray-gun fights.
And aside from any connotations just poetically "John Carter of Mars" is a far better title. The marketing people were plainly caught up in the "ooooh, so mysterious and short" style that was in vogue at the time.
Oh, gods - that's horribly plausible as well. It's exactly the kind of simplistic thinking of the marketing people. "Mars polls badly right now. Remove it from the title."
Just going to let Bill Hicks have the last word here.
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Mouse took a bath in Mission To Mars as well
and the book is A Princess Of Mars not John Carter Of Mars
the John Carter Of No Specific Planet was definitely a very late call given all the JCM logos thrown around on the early promotional crap
Oh I was only talking about the quantity of the movie, not the quality. I'd say the movie's production history is more interesting than the movie itself, though I did rewatch it not long ago and it was boring as hell. I'd say the worst acting has to come from the titular character played by Taylor Kitsch
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Everything about the new Superman movie looks/sounds fine to me, I just expect it to suck because I expect everything to suck now
It makes me wonder what the previous attempted incarnations would've been. First there was going to be a series of MGM's animated shorts from Bob Clampbett, and then a serial from Universal (following its success of the Flash Gordon serial), and fast forward to the 80s when Disney did manage to get the rights with Cinergi to produce in a same style as the other sword and sorcery fantasy movies that came out during that time such as Conan and Beastmaster
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The film to me seems way to bloated. It should just be a good Superman film, but instead Gunn is trying to shove a ton of characters into it.
My main hope is that the others are cameos and that we get a main villain that isn't Zod. Lex is overused, but essential and can work as a secondary antagonist. Personally would like to see Bizzarro or Brainiac given how massive those two are in pop-culture, yet never receive a film adaptation.
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Lex is over used but we have literally never had comic book lex in a movie. hackman was a weird goofy scam artist spacey was that again but with more of a comic book lex tone and eisenberg was there plan wise but with a weird ass take on the characterization. Lex Luthor is a mad scientist who happens to be if an evil Donald Trump was a human supremacist and the smartest man on planet earth and is the savior to the city in public but mussolini behind closed doors we've never gotten that at all.
we're not getting bizzaro in his regular forms nobody but us would enjoy a movie of superman beating up a literal retarded person. Lol
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Personally, I feel like Bizzaro would be the best character for a first film. He is a lower threat that works as a great introduction to the characters. He can be a product of Lex, introducing him and Superman's rivalry which will continue throughout the DC films. He is an evil Superman to contrast with, but also a redeemable one that can show Superman's humanity via fixing him. Bizzarro also always gets the saddest scenes given that he isn't really evil, so you can easily start strong with a bittersweet ending of him becoming a hero.
Then, if planned right, they can easily bring him back, since he is a clone, for a Justice League film where they fight the Legion of Doom. He can also set up cloning, which gives a pretty seamless intro into Superboy if they want to bring him in.
I have actually thought about what DC could do for a universe, so puzzle piece warning, but for Superman:
- Film 1: Superman origin story that goes over the origin and introduces all the big characters like Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Lex. After doing some good, Lex gets frustrated by the Man of Steel given that people look to him as a God. In playing God himself, he finds a way to take Superman's DNA and create a clone. Sadly, the process was a failure, thus unleashing Bizzarro. Given that he is easily manipulated and confused, Lex sicks him out on Superman. Fight ensues and creates mass damage, with Lois getting caught in the crossfire. Lex tries to rid himself of both Supermen through an explosive, but playing to Bizarro's humanity, the monster takes the nuke Iron Giant style. Movie ends with a post credit scene of Lex dragging Bizarro's body into further tests.
- Justice League 1: The newly founded JL takes on the villains of all their intro movies, lead by Lex.
- Film 2: After the damages caused by JL, multiple world governments create a new organization, headed by Amanda Waller, to begin cracking down on metahumans and vigilantes. Thus we begin a Cadmus arc for phase 2. In a bid to outperform the JL, the Elite are hired to act as the JL that will actually put the bad guys down and JL if necessary. Superman must now make a case for himself, and the wider JL as he locks into ideological battle with these new heroes.
- Justice League 2: The final of the Cadmus arc. The JL and government will clash and make up, but not before realizing that Cadmus's secret funder, Lex, had other uses for Cadmus. The entire program was just a front to contact more powerful alien life, bringing Brainiac to Earth. Everyone must now join together to take the alien down.
- Film 3: Phase 3 heads into Darkseid war. As a set up, Superman gets transported to Apokolips where he has to take on Steppenwolf and help Mister Miracle and Big Barda escape. Meanwhile, on Earth, with Supes gone, we could do a reign of Supermen arc, allowing for some unique bad guys to appear be it Cyborg Superman, Livewire, Metallo, just someone who is a lesser threat for a character like Superboy or Steel.
- Justice League 3+4 - Apokolpse War, Justice League take on Darkseid on his turf, lose, then have a comeback for film 4.
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Bizarro (in a movie context) would be better used in a “Forever Evil” type story to humanize Lex a bit.
Out of the New 52 events, Forever Evil is easily the best.
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I knew nothing about John Carter when the movie came out and didn't see it because it looked like a generic CG mess. The lead actress was ungodly hot but all the marketing was about how it inspired Star Wars and just showed random dudes flying around in loincloths.
Superman poster looks very Marvelish. Oh look, a world ending threat and he's just casually getting dressed. LOL amirite fellow kids?
Superman poster looks very Marvelish. Oh look, a world ending threat and he's just casually getting dressed. LOL amirite fellow kids?
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I've always thought Superman's rogues gallery would work best under the theme of "Man's Enemies of Today vs the Man of Tomorrow."
Zod represents War and Authoritarianism, Parasite is Greed personified, Metallo is pure Sadism, Toyman is Rejection, Mxy is Anarchism, Manchester Black is Nihilism, Silver Banshee Cultism.... you get it, right? That, IMO, allows a lot of leeway to let them do all sorts of things within their particular theme from one-and-done stories (Zod wants to Make Earth Krypton Again: he his goons both Kryptonian or Earthling hanger-ons rob a bank to fund their operations, perhaps, or terrorize a monument in a show of Kryptonian supremacy) to full-on events (they're besieging Metropolis with space tanks!).
Lex Luthor
Lex IMO should represents Power (the way Superman is Man, but Super), but really he should be the Ultimate Villain to Supes's Ultimate Hero. Vaguely speaking, the DCU's Dr. Doom, the guy who can do anything and yet it fits because villainy. I definitely don't mind him as a CEO in origin, but he should've built Lexcorp from scratch and then promptly go off into being the mad scientist who casually can crank out superweaponry and terrorize anyone because it's Tuesday... because he NEEDS to be that flexible, that "active", for any type of story from one-and-done to event series. The kicker for his character being he truly does believe in human supremacy, would bring humanity to a New Golden Age with him leading it... but at the utter cost of humanity's soul, its, ah, humanity. He's pure evil yet charismatic enough to convince you to successfully kill yourself through sheer logic reason, you're crying as you do so because deep down your heart knows he's wrong, but your mind can't argue against him. You're killing yourself for him and you're scared.
Basically, Lex should be this amazing Elliot S! Maggin quote from his book Last Son of Krypton: "In another place, under different circumstances, this man might have been a Caesar, a Napoleon, a Hitler, or an Archimedes, a Michelangelo, a da Vinci. A Gautama, a Hammurabi, Gandhi. But in this place, at this time, he was more. Superman made him more."
Bizarro
Bizarrely (heh), I think Bizarro works better as a one-time villain fight but become 100% a supporting hero to Superman. A lot of stories point out he is a clone of Superman and it should mean, logically, he DOES want to help others out, and they should roll with that. Just give him vague "logical" opposites or drawbacks in powers - strength without durability BUT an amazing healing factor to make up for it, fire breath, maybe merely jumping super high, etc. Thus he gets the base Super powers but with a nice twist to them the way supporting hero Steel emulates the powers but its a happy spin via the power armor. Bizarro can handle a lot of the old-school fun and comedy with Jimmy Olsen, who should really morph from the Silver Age Jimmy in young/early years of a mainstream to a Philip J. Fry figure (still thinks the world of superheroing is awesome even if he's solidly grown up in it as he finds weird stuff to write for the Daily Planet).
Brainiac
I struggled with fitting Brainiac into the general rogues' theme I propose for Superman above, but then it hit me he's the "Rha's al Ghul" type of villain who DEMANDS only event stories or multi-story arcs by nature: he's the guy who can help Superman do all sorts of sci-fi or Krypton-specific or high-concept stories the way Rha's lets Batman do some genre-busting ones like globetrotting to lost ruins or romantic thrillers. Really dive deep into the philosophical questions of Superman's heritage or what flaws Krypton had or societies in general when you can see all of it literally from a bottle. I DO like that he's gotten those tentacles or shapeshifting as sort-of powers to differentiate him from other strength characters, though - still a genius but one who can tango in a unique non-power armor way a la Lex's suit or Metallo in general, you know?
Zod represents War and Authoritarianism, Parasite is Greed personified, Metallo is pure Sadism, Toyman is Rejection, Mxy is Anarchism, Manchester Black is Nihilism, Silver Banshee Cultism.... you get it, right? That, IMO, allows a lot of leeway to let them do all sorts of things within their particular theme from one-and-done stories (Zod wants to Make Earth Krypton Again: he his goons both Kryptonian or Earthling hanger-ons rob a bank to fund their operations, perhaps, or terrorize a monument in a show of Kryptonian supremacy) to full-on events (they're besieging Metropolis with space tanks!).
Lex Luthor
Lex IMO should represents Power (the way Superman is Man, but Super), but really he should be the Ultimate Villain to Supes's Ultimate Hero. Vaguely speaking, the DCU's Dr. Doom, the guy who can do anything and yet it fits because villainy. I definitely don't mind him as a CEO in origin, but he should've built Lexcorp from scratch and then promptly go off into being the mad scientist who casually can crank out superweaponry and terrorize anyone because it's Tuesday... because he NEEDS to be that flexible, that "active", for any type of story from one-and-done to event series. The kicker for his character being he truly does believe in human supremacy, would bring humanity to a New Golden Age with him leading it... but at the utter cost of humanity's soul, its, ah, humanity. He's pure evil yet charismatic enough to convince you to successfully kill yourself through sheer logic reason, you're crying as you do so because deep down your heart knows he's wrong, but your mind can't argue against him. You're killing yourself for him and you're scared.
Basically, Lex should be this amazing Elliot S! Maggin quote from his book Last Son of Krypton: "In another place, under different circumstances, this man might have been a Caesar, a Napoleon, a Hitler, or an Archimedes, a Michelangelo, a da Vinci. A Gautama, a Hammurabi, Gandhi. But in this place, at this time, he was more. Superman made him more."
Bizarro
Bizarrely (heh), I think Bizarro works better as a one-time villain fight but become 100% a supporting hero to Superman. A lot of stories point out he is a clone of Superman and it should mean, logically, he DOES want to help others out, and they should roll with that. Just give him vague "logical" opposites or drawbacks in powers - strength without durability BUT an amazing healing factor to make up for it, fire breath, maybe merely jumping super high, etc. Thus he gets the base Super powers but with a nice twist to them the way supporting hero Steel emulates the powers but its a happy spin via the power armor. Bizarro can handle a lot of the old-school fun and comedy with Jimmy Olsen, who should really morph from the Silver Age Jimmy in young/early years of a mainstream to a Philip J. Fry figure (still thinks the world of superheroing is awesome even if he's solidly grown up in it as he finds weird stuff to write for the Daily Planet).
Brainiac
I struggled with fitting Brainiac into the general rogues' theme I propose for Superman above, but then it hit me he's the "Rha's al Ghul" type of villain who DEMANDS only event stories or multi-story arcs by nature: he's the guy who can help Superman do all sorts of sci-fi or Krypton-specific or high-concept stories the way Rha's lets Batman do some genre-busting ones like globetrotting to lost ruins or romantic thrillers. Really dive deep into the philosophical questions of Superman's heritage or what flaws Krypton had or societies in general when you can see all of it literally from a bottle. I DO like that he's gotten those tentacles or shapeshifting as sort-of powers to differentiate him from other strength characters, though - still a genius but one who can tango in a unique non-power armor way a la Lex's suit or Metallo in general, you know?
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Clampbett would have interesting fallout no matter what. It goes nowhere and maybe Fleischers don't go bankrupt trying to do high budget serious animation on Superman
I don't think it failing would deter Walt from trying to do the more serious stuff, in anything I could see him seeing it a niche to burrow hard into
maybe it takes off and serious stuff takes off to replace whistling rubber bands, republic pioneers Clutch Cargo shit early to make crappy knockoffs of Ron Carver On Venus or whatever
unrelated to that I'm watching the old rifftrax of The Grudge (2004 USA version) and there's a mention about how Ben Affleck would be an awful Flash
I don't recall him being in the running (heh) for a Flash work around 200x? Chatter about him in the recent The Flash has wiped anything that might come up quick
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We live in a world where Captain Planet is now a viewed as a less risky investment than a non-Batman DC movie.
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Not too surprising, I can easily see Captain Planet being used to push "The Message". Obviously global warming bullshit will be a front and center in the story, and the planeteers are already sufficiently ethnically diverse. There's no way they don't gay up or troon out at least one or two of them.
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Who knew that the legendary punch against Superman in The Dark Knight Returns almost forty years ago (1986, eh) would eventually lead to non-Batman DC shriveling up in terms of sellability and richness of lore?
Even other non-Bat properties with a Bat-character in them gradually warp to focus on said character or fit Bat-style stories via that character. Witness Robin being the nominal series lead of every Titans media since '04 or Harley Quinn overtaking the Suicide Squad.