DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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In recent news, Batman will be the first superhero ever to have a star on the HollyWood walk of fame. He will mark the 2780th star on the walk and be inducted September 26th.
 
el bandito loco said:
I don't understand why they're skipping the year or so between exile and this book. I'm glad to get it at all, but what the fuck. I wonder how far they'll go with this line. the triangle era is kind of weird because there's a lot of spin offs and shit too, and the numbering eventually stopped and then came back.

when I was in high school I used to download comic scans off 4shared in the computer lab and fill binders with them printed in black and white and I swear I probably had 20 fucking binders with superman from post crisis to around infinite crisis. I used to sell them to fellow nerds too I remember my knightfall and infinity gauntlet/war makeshift books were pretty popular. I got banned from the computer lab permanently for using like 15,000 pages over a year to make bootlegs and sell them lmao.

those scans you could find back then looked like total shit and in black and white looked worse. iirc my superman scans were from the Superman Post Crisis Chronology project so that was a cool way to read it because it was like literally everything including the superfamily and jla and crossovers and shit but those were disjointed as fuck because the guy who made it autisticly broke up individual issues so sometimes you'd have like 3 pages of one book in the middle of another, cool project, good idea but the execution left something to be desired as a reading experience. you don't have to break up man of steel with for all seasons, just put them next to each other I can figure out when what happened.
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It's frustrating. Your missing the period of George Perez, which is artistically probably the last big burst of art boom on the title.

The new Perez for a year illustrating Supes on Action, Ordway illustrating another, and Jurgen's on the third. That's a pretty impressive art run! Then you have Maxima, the eradicator, the Brainiac redesign. It's all gold stuff. They're what? Dropping us in at Red Kryptonite when Ordway was dropping back on art?

I don't know, seems odd to start there have it be separate from MoS? Maybe just they don't like the longer running numbered collections.
 
jspit2.0 said:
I don't know, seems odd to start there have it be separate from MoS? Maybe just they don't like the longer running numbered collections.
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That might be the case, but really that just always fuck up superman collected editions. really out of the heavy hitters he's the most underrepresented. the trades of the main books post crisis era up to and including jeph loeb Joe kelly era in the early 2000s were collected like shit. first of all, basically only origin stories and death and return of were ever staying in print or available, and the other trades, were just shit.

I have had all of them since I was a kid and they didn't collect much of it, but in the books themselves they skip issues, only have a couple of pages of individual issues making them be really out of place, will jump between insane amounts of time (I'm talking 2+ years between issues in one book), as a kid I didn't know any better or give a shit but I've went back to my old trades and been like wow these are garbage. eradication, exile and they saved luthor's brain are near unreadable. for a long time some important issues were only available in the Lois and Clark TV show tie in book. What the fuck?

It was early in the tpb game but they were still doing this into the era right before worlds at war too. and they've barely went back to fix it at all in 20 years. we got the man of steel trades which promptly went out of print, everybody wanted an omnibus of that stuff, have been asking since they started making them, and they didn't do that they waited 10 years and put out hardcovers (although they're gorgeous), did a dark knight in metropolis, action comics weekly power within trade and exile omnibus (step in the right direction), went back to that brainiac y2k era and did the city of tomorrow and President Lex trades, and now this, and that's it! In 20 fucking years! besides a reprint of panic in the sky and emperor joker the same as they were when I bought them years earlier.

there's so much good shit that could have been put back out there from that period of time. both more complete reprints and uncollected stuff. No wonder nobody likes superman all they have access to is basically nothing. and prior material just has no collections. his fan favorite prior era is maggin and bates from the 70s not a single trade of that exists. They finally finished their run of complete post crisis Batman up to knightfall they should have been doing superman books as a companion series this whole fuckin time doing that up to death and return
 


It looks pretty good. I appreciate how open they are about the structure and what to expect. It's not a one to one remake of Arkham asylum but that's what they are aiming for in terms of structure and length. They couldn't do open world but they did their best to make it feel big and expansive. They clearly have done a lot of research on what made the previous games fights and bosses so memorable.

Appreciated the confirmation dig at Jason not being the villain.
 
Michael Wade said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XepIXLSaGKs

It looks pretty good. I appreciate how open they are about the structure and what to expect. It's not a one to one remake of Arkham asylum but that's what they are aiming for in terms of structure and length. They couldn't do open world but they did their best to make it feel big and expansive. They clearly have done a lot of research on what made the previous games fights and bosses so memorable.

Appreciated the confirmation dig at Jason not being the villain.
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I'm kinda starting to get used to the combat. I was initially a bit skeptical and wondered WTF they weren't going for a more Blade and Sorcery style of freeform fighting but it looks more in-depth than I originally thought. Not just blindly punching everything.

I'm still hoping that this is just WB setting up people for a proper new installment in the Arkham series further down the line, like maybe next year or something.
 
The Nothingness said:
I have to say it The Penguin's first episode has me intrigued with how the story will play out, even if comparisons to The Sopranos will obviously be made.
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I'm less interested in The Penguin as a series than I do simply want it to do well to make sure we get a proper sequel movie to Reeve's The Batman and the studio lets him do it how he wants rather than meddling. I really liked the first one. But I'll give the show a try if it shows promise.
 
The Nothingness said:
I have to say it The Penguin's first episode has me intrigued with how the story will play out, even if comparisons to The Sopranos will obviously be made.
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I liked it. I'm going to wait for the season to wrap and watch episode 2 to the end on a day off though. It's kind of inherently funny to me that it'll have been 3 years since the movie when we get a sequel, and we'll have gotten 6 hours of Batman between them and probably 9+ of the penguin in that world by the time Batman Part II is over.

Penguin was my biggest pro about that movie anyways so I was always intrigued in this project although I was much more looking forward to the Arkham show that Gunn tried to force Reeves to make in his universe so Reeves said never mind we just aren't making it.

no matter what Batman II and 3 are I really don't think we're getting what Reeves was wanting to do in the first place because of Gunns meddling. It was fairly obvious from that first movie we were going to get Robin and lean into weirder fantastical shit moving forward and then Gunn said his Batman will be Robin and fantastical shit and all the sudden the Arkham show is out the window and the series has been rebranded "The Batman Crime Saga Epic" which I think I could probably guarantee you was a forced pivot.

I think I read basically Gunn called Reeves and tried to force The Batman to be in his DCU and he said no I want to do my own world and then all the sudden the conversations about it went from upwards of 3 movies to just a trilogy and focused on organized crime shit. that sucks because I didn't think that movie was all that good in the script department but stylistically I did and was looking forward to how this Gotham would be by the time we had clayface and stuff like that running around.
 
I'm not opposed to a more organized crime and grounded Batman series with more terrorist than super villain bad guys, but it does kind of suck considering I felt like by the end of the last one we might end up going nuts even though it was pretty grounded.

that said, I thought that with Batman Begins also. and then in the next movie it wasn't Gotham anymore it was just Chicago and the joker was just some guy who didn't give a fuck.
 
Stupid question but does the series ever get into why he's called the Penguin? I know its more obvious in previous adaptions but i always thought it would be neat if they took the whole immigrant story and just had the reason they call him Penguin as it being his nickname from his parents because he never left the lower class neighborhood he was raised in unlike his siblings. Like instead of focusing on his studies and going to college and moving on to bigger and better things, he never launched and Penguin went from a term of shame to a term of endearment because he never left.

It would also play into him being a criminal mastermind later on and his rather apparent intelligence despite his characterization. Him giving basic Spanish grammatical lessons to both batman and the Comish was one of the highlights in the theater i saw it in.


el bandito loco said:
the one nice thing about the chronology project,
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Honestly 99% of the reason i'm a DC fan is the chronology projects, the whole "marvel is about humans, dc is about heroes" bullshit went out the window in the 1990s. Marvel's continuity became too much to handle especially with their dozen different X-men and spiderman comics.

Being able to go "ok here's the story in order" soothed my autistic mind. Marvel is for casuals, DC is for real fanatics. There's even one for the batman animated series rearranging the 90s cartoon into an entirely different thing.

the fact that DC does do reboots and let's older versions of characters become "legends" is another thing i like about them. Bruce does retire and marry and have kids in the golden age, the silver age characters had real endings before crisis. Crisis to flashpoint while weird, makes a bit of sense as a universe that takes place over 23 or 14 years.

And i gave up caring after 2011.

DC also is smart for synergizing with its non-comic media really well. Legends of the Dark Knight is one of the best depictions of batman and only exists because DC was smart enough to go "people loved the movie, let's give the audience that! no robin or todd or tim or nightwing bullshit" Whereas somehow Marvel never thought to create an MCU comic universe.
 
Get the rope Macaulay! said:
Stupid question but does the series ever get into why he's called the Penguin? I know its more obvious in previous adaptions but i always thought it would be neat if they took the whole immigrant story and just had the reason they call him Penguin as it being his nickname from his parents because he never left the lower class neighborhood he was raised in unlike his siblings. Like instead of focusing on his studies and going to college and moving on to bigger and better things, he never launched and Penguin went from a term of shame to a term of endearment because he never left.
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In the movie he's lame in one leg, though it's very, very easy to miss barring Falcone calling him "nothing but a gimp" (which is also easy to miss as that meaning of gimp is uncommon these days). So I presume he's called the Penguin in that movie because he waddles like one. Maybe.

@el bandito loco If what you say about how Gunn shutdown Reeve's original vision is true, then Gunn jumps to the top of my list of Hollywood shitbags. There are few things I despise more than those who will destroy something good because it's better than their own.
 
Overly Serious said:
So I presume he's called the Penguin in that movie because he waddles like one. Maybe.
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I think it is this because in the show they showed he has a club foot. I think its just because he's fat and waddles. It probably will be revealed to either be a childhood bullying nickname or when he joined the mafia they called him that for similar reasons and he just owned it.

as for Gunn I can't remember where I heard it but I know I read he was irritated Reeves told him to kick rocks when he wanted Pattinson in the DCU. we also know that the Batman Part II has been pushed back twice and now there is no script. which is insane because leading up to the first one's release Reeves was clear as hell that he already had the next one laid out and just had to write it.

there was a long writer's strike but I don't know how someone couldn't look at that and think Gunn made him go back to the drawing board. the Batman was supposed to be a large jumping off point with Reeves overseeing a bunch of Batman shit. Now the sequel is suddenly 4 years removed from the first one, the GCPD Batman Year One prequel was canned, and Gunn insisted publicly that Reeves Arkham show became DCU instead of in his Batverse as it was conceived and it's now just not getting made and if it is is now years out. The Batman series gets rebranded as The Batman Crime Saga Epic, and we get a Penguin show set firmly in the organized crime world.

My tinfoil hat thing is we were getting Robin in The Batman 2, at least introduced and set up to suit up later and Gunn's Batman being Batman and Damien totally fucked all of that and he probably was told he can't use out there villains and has to stay grounded and so they're doing something else. we know he wanted Mr Freeze and we might still get that but its not going to be a dude wandering around with an ice gun and I think we might have got that without Gunn.
 
I watched Penguin and thought it was excellent and it moves at a good clip, too. Colin Farrell is wonderful and hugely charismatic, Cristin Milioti is frankly unsettling (in a good way). There's no member of the cast so far that's not fun to watch and I also have Dolly Parton's Nine to Five now stuck in my head.

But every thing about this show I enjoyed is one more reason to be angry with James Gunn for interfering with Reeve's universe.

The make-up on Colin Farrell deserves an award. I don't know what the awards are for make-up artists but if there's an Oscar for it or something, it needs to go to the team that created the Penguin. Not only is it massively realistic but it even survives some major close-up work. And kudos to Farrell for acting so well under it all too.

Strong recommend from me.
 
Crime stuff is best when it's character studies - Sopranos is a character study of Tony, The Godfather is a character study of Michael, Blow is a character study of George Jung, etc.

So far they're making The Penguin a character study of Oswald and that's why the first episode worked

Also I kinda wish
they hadn't killed off Alberto already,
they got Michael Zegen who played Bugsy Siegel in Boardwalk Empire, great actor
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pCpY090QHRI
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they should have hired me I could have written this in 14 minutes. In any case this is retarded but I'm sure my best friends kid will love it. I'll have to get it for him. whenever I have to baby sit him (he's like 7) and I'm not showing him R rated action movies his Dad wants to but can't at their house due to mom, he's gotten pretty into comics.

He's been reading through Archie Sonic since the last movie came out and a bit of IDW and we've been going through Mirage TMNT and post crisis Batman and Superman together since we finished Dragon Ball.

his dad is a retard and keeps buying comics he wants and using the kid as an excuse to his wife which is humorous. He's 7 he doesn't give a shit nor will he get much out of The Question or Hellboy. He's been getting him some of the early marvel omnis like ditko and kirby Spider-Man and FF and been reading those. It's kinda cool so much of the old stuff is collected now or easily downloadable onto his tablet. I'd have killed at his age to have access to all the shit he does.
 
Cross-posting a bit from the Animation thread, but he did it, my boy Dick actually did it:
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Also, if anyone here is curious regarding Swaybox, here is some of their work:

 
Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
Say what now? Literally a perfect cape movie, from the casting to the soundtrack. Peak Schumacher and I'm tired of it getting lumped in with Batman & Robin.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JWDCc4xj1MM:65
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That movie will always get points for making a Seal song bring to mind the Batman I prefer, comic inspired, kinda dark but cocky and cool in batshit insane adventures. Not too silly but not going for “muh realism” and “muh edge”

Bats is at his best when the medium isn’t ashamed of the source material.
Basic Blond Boy said:
Cross-posting a bit from the Animation thread, but he did it, my boy Dick actually did it:
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=iSh0Mn1ouks
Also, if anyone here is curious regarding Swaybox, here is some of their work:

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This faggot is hammering the nails Hammada and Snyder put in place.
 
Overly Serious said:
one more reason to be angry with James Gunn for interfering with Reeve's universe.
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with how long it takes DC to do fucking anything why couldn't Gunn just let Reeve do his thing and then introduce batman way later on. IIRC Batman was always a loner anyways, imagine him showing up to superman 5 like "i didn't want to make my presence known too early" and have it be done that way.

a grayson and todd movie sounds fucking awful btw. grayson and tim make way more fucking sense, but there's barely any reason for todd and grayson to associate.
 
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