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[Incecticyder]

I think the funniest thing about the Authority is that nowadays, people only know them as "That one team Manchester Black and the Elite were parodying."

When you make your heroes into inferior copies of famous heroes, people will stick to the original. "LOOOOOOOL, I RIP-OFF SUPERMAN AND BATMAN AND MAKE THEM LAME AND GAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!" Some people do not have a creative bone in their body beyond the stuff an edgy teen would like.

Hey, the Elite parody was actually better, as they were painted as bad guys.
The last thing I remember about the Authority psychos is reading about how there's an apocalyptic event of some sort, then the team unironically take over the world for... Reasons.

The Elite are characters, the Authority are caricatures. The idea of bad people hunting worse people is one that works in reality far better than it works in fiction. Make them too good and you might as well as make normal superheroes (and make them basically unsympathetic compared to others), make them too evil and they are no better than those they fight.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I’m guessing Gunn is trying to use the Authority as stand-ins for the elite, with the irony not lost on me, to make the Justice League shine as the idealistic heroes, à la Kingdom Come (Oversimplified: Look at how bad the edgy heroes are we need the old fashioned good buys back! ).

However, if Gunn is serious about hyping these characters, he’s once again wasting time and resources. Both the JSA and the Legion of Super-Heroes are in greater need of attention due to years of neglect. Or Maybe Young Justice/ Teen Titans? Why is he wasting time on JL bootlegs instead of proping up the real characters?

Competitors like Image comics would kill to have access to even some of DC's B listers. Yet Gunn is neglecting DC's own A material.

When you make your heroes into inferior copies of famous heroes, people will stick to the original.

I’ve noticed that many people creating their own superhero universes essentially rip off DC Comics, but with an edgier twist and some marvel sprinkled in. Invincible and Astro City technically qualify on that description, but are only saved by the technicality of good writing.

However, I agree overall: Superman and Wonder Woman will always be more popular and culturally relevant than Samaritan and Winged Victory. Inevitably, copies will be made, but I find it better when the copyl at least tries to add a unique twist to differentiate itself. Shazam/Captain Marvel is one of the greatest and oldest examples. He was inspired by Superman, sure, but the magic elements and the fact that the characters were kids in their civilian identities made the Marvel Family distinct enough to stand on their own

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I’m guessing Gunn is trying to use the Authority as stand-ins for the elite, with the irony not lost on me, to make the Justice League shine as the idealistic heroes, à la Kingdom Come (Oversimplified: Look at how bad the edgy heroes are we need the old fashioned good buys back! ).

However, if Gunn is serious about hyping these characters, he’s once again wasting time and resoruces. Both the JSA and the Legion of Super-Heroes are in greater need of attention due to years of neglect. Or Maybe Young Justice/ Teen Titans? Why is he wasting time on JL bootlegs instead of proping up the real characters?

Competitors like Image comics would kill to have access to even some of DC's B listers. Yet Gunn is neglecting DC's own A material.

His plan was Gods and Monsters.

He wanted the DC world to suffer under cynicism and edgy heroes to bring on the dawn of the true heroes like Superman. His initial plan (allegedly) was to have everything lead up to the Centre from New Frontier. Best guess was that the initial plan was to do a Cadmus style arc where the government backs the edgelord heroes such as the Suicide Squad, The Authority and Creature Commandos. Similar to New Frontier, the main JL heroes will rise up against a universe that seeks to control meta-humans, likely ending with the same New Frontier message of pushing forward.

However, if Gunn is serious about hyping these characters, he’s once again wasting time and resoruces. Both the JSA and the Legion of Super-Heroes are in greater need of attention due to years of neglect. Or Maybe Young Justice/ Teen Titans? Why is he wasting time on JL bootlegs instead of proping up the real characters?

Why even start with them, literally every property without a bat carved into it needs attention.

If above is Gunn's intention, I just don't know if it'll work. Feels like he is just redoing Snyder and falling into the same pitfalls. The whole government overreach and edge heroes should honestly come after establishing a universe. The point hits harder when the actions come off like a betrayal, that the heroes spent years doing heroics but now tides are turning. This is a big reason why Cadmus was so good in the first place or even the story he is taking from (New Frontier).

 

[Incecticyder]

Competitors like Image comics would kill to have access to even some of DC's B listers. Yet Gunn is neglecting DC's own A material.

They would kill for C and D listers too.

I’ve noticed that many people creating their own superhero universes essentially rip off DC Comics, but with an edgier twist and some marvel sprinkled in. Invincible and Astro City technically qualify on that description, but are only saved by the technicality of good writing.

Invincible and Astro City are also different from DC. They are not going "HEY! Isn't our version more realistic and better? HMMMMMMM?" like every hack, they are actually using the tropes to help write a different story: "In a world that BEGINS looking like that of Superman..." but ends up taking a different route. They use Superman as shorthand and move on from there. They are not critiquing Superman, they are starting from a similar place and diverge from there. The Authority suck. They are not good heroes to follow. They are the guys you would sent Doomsday at (like that episode in JL only you would cheer for the nuke).

However, I agree overall: Superman and Wonder Woman will always be more popular and culturally relevant than Samaritan and Winged Victory. Inevitably, copies will be made, but I find it better when the copyl at least tries to add a unique twist to differentiate itself.

Most of the time, the twist is "edgy and morally-dubious". Invincible and Omniman were a twist on the twist as they both decided on becoming traditional superheroes as opposed to edgy ones. That is why I consider Invincible inspired by Supes as opposed to ripping him off.

Shazam/Captain Marvel is one of the greatest and oldest examples. He was inspired by Superman, sure, but the magic elements and the fact that the characters were kids in their civilian identities made the Marvel Family distinct enough to stand on their own

Shazam only got visual ques from Superman. Everything else was original. He was a prototype for the Henshin Hero genre if anything as opposed to even inspired by Supes beyond a superficial level.

His plan was Gods and Monsters.

He wanted the DC world to suffer under cynicism and edgy heroes to bring on the dawn of the true heroes like Superman. His initial plan (allegedly) was to have everything lead up to the Centre from New Frontier. Best guess was that the initial plan was to do a Cadmus style arc where the government backs the edgelord heroes such as the Suicide Squad, The Authority and Creature Commandos. Similar to New Frontier, the main JL heroes will rise up against a universe that seeks to control meta-humans, likely ending with the same New Frontier message of pushing forward.

Problem is, we have Gods and Monsters already. You need to establish the norm before subverting it.

Why even start with them, literally every property without a bat carved into it needs attention.

Gunn should have been a cog in the machine, not the architect. Give him a C lister group (a better one) and shove him in a little corner. Not make him the Feige of DC.

If above is Gunn's intention, I just don't know if it'll work. Feels like he is just redoing Snyder and falling into the same pitfalls. The whole government overreach and edge heroes should honestly come after establishing a universe. The point hits harder when the actions come off like a betrayal, that the heroes spent years doing heroics but now tides are turning. This is a big reason why Cadmus was so good in the first place or even the story he is taking from (New Frontier).

Cadmus worked because there were episodes where there was justification for their existence. Superman being mind-controlled by Darkseid and the Justice Lords storyline for one. You cannot begin with Cadmus on day one.

 

[Newcomer 42]

he Elite are characters, the Authority are caricatures. The idea of bad people hunting worse people is one that works in reality far better than it works in fiction. Make them too good and you might as well as make normal superheroes (and make them basically unsympathetic compared to others), make them too evil and they are no better than those they fight.

Spawn and co in the 90s are to blame. Edgy heroes were aplenty back then, and still so in the early 00s. If the Authority gays guys are caricatures, then The Boys are outright monsters (which they are, although I never watched/read the show nor will I do so).
I also wonder if there was any justification as to why the Wildstorm guys go for the kill as their first choice.

I’m guessing Gunn is trying to use the Authority as stand-ins for the elite, with the irony not lost on me, to make the Justice League shine as the idealistic heroes, à la Kingdom Come (Oversimplified: Look at how bad the edgy heroes are we need the old fashioned good buys back! ).

However, if Gunn is serious about hyping these characters, he’s once again wasting time and resources. Both the JSA and the Legion of Super-Heroes are in greater need of attention due to years of neglect. Or Maybe Young Justice/ Teen Titans? Why is he wasting time on JL bootlegs instead of proping up the real characters?

You're expecting Pedogunn to be smart, and to keep his ego in check.
The Justice Gang are portrayed as borderline Suicide Squad morons.

I’ve noticed that many people creating their own superhero universes essentially rip off DC Comics, but with an edgier twist and some marvel sprinkled in. Invincible and Astro City technically qualify on that description, but are only saved by the technicality of good writing.

Agree with Invincible, but I would argue you're being too harsh with Astro City. That one is a comic about the superheroes, not the heroes themselves, with many stories being about the civvies and such. Plus awesome art.

He wanted the DC world to suffer under cynicism and edgy heroes to bring on the dawn of the true heroes like Superman. His initial plan (allegedly) was to have everything lead up to the Centre from New Frontier.

Then he already failed, as the Justice Gang has no introduction (oh, and they can go against the message of the movie and kill with no issue, fuck you, not-Trump!), Supes' origin story was changed for the worse, and Supergirl is shat on for the lulz.
The movie is a mess and doesn't know what it wants to be, and it still suffers from "Marvel humor".

 

[Mystery Spy]

Shazam only got visual ques from Superman. Everything else was original. He was a prototype for the Henshin Hero genre if anything as opposed to even inspired by Supes beyond a superficial level.

Most of the time, the twist is "edgy and morally-dubious". Invincible and Omniman were a twist on the twist as they both decided on becoming traditional superheroes as opposed to edgy ones. That is why I consider Invincible inspired by Supes as opposed to ripping him off.

Agree with Invincible, but I would argue you're being too harsh with Astro City. That one is a comic about the superheroes, not the heroes themselves, with many stories being about the civvies and such. Plus awesome art.

I fear I might have sounded too harsh—more than intended—but I believe the line between a "rip-off" and "being inspired" is very thin.

To me, the Invincible universe often feels like a bootleg version of DC. I don’t just mean the Guardians of the Globe; you have ideas that feel nearly 1:1, like Tech Jacket being too close to Blue Beetle. Still, I won’t deny that Invincible has fantastic writing and explores bold territory DC would never touch in their main titles. I think the invincible universe is carried by its writting and plots. But you can easily tell wich DC and marvel character they are taking their cues from.

I’m personally favorable toward creators who take existing ideas and put a unique spin on them, making something original instead of feeling like an off-brand soda or a lesser version. For example, Shazam clearly drew inspiration from Superman (its first cover even nods to Superman’s). But it’s not a rip-off; the Shazam franchise evolved into its own entity, more shonen magic instead of superman's sci-fi. In my opinion, DC was just bitter that Fawcett Comics was producing better comics, and selling better at the time.

It’s no secret that at least 25% of DC and Marvel characters are intercompany copies.

Astro City is great—I’ve read some issues—but I don’t think it will be culturally significant because it feels too derivative of DC, despite its stellar writing and art. This isn’t a condemnation of its quality; it’s more about the "first love" effect. DC came first, so that’s who people gravitate toward.

I’m less favorable toward characters or franchises that feel like DC or Marvel but worse or the same except edgy. I’d classify The Authority in this category—those, to me, are rip-offs.

 

[Incecticyder]

Spawn and co in the 90s are to blame. Edgy heroes were aplenty back then, and still so in the early 00s. If the Authority gays guys are caricatures, then The Boys are outright monsters (which they are, although I never watched/read the show nor will I do so).
I also wonder if there was any justification as to why the Wildstorm guys go for the kill as their first choice.

Meh, by the time of Spawn, the trend had set. Spawn was merely the one character made in the 90s, for the 90s and absolutely not a second after 12/31/1999 at midnight. Also, calling the Boys monsters is pushing it. They lack the nuance required. They are caricatures by someone who writes like a teenager and thinks he is deeeeeeep and coooooool!!! A "LOOOK, A CHARACTER THAT KIIIIIILLS!" and little more.

As for Wildstorm, they shat for three seconds and could not come up with a reason not to kill and proceeded to kill. 1) No slippery slop (many do not want to have to kill because they do not trust themselves), 2) cannot undue murder (imagine killing a framed man), 3) courts (even in self-defense cases they ask you to come to court and unmask yourself which does not help with the whole secret identity) or 4) police investigating the murder (beat up someone and they can say he messed with the wrong guy but if kill him, they have to investigate because you might be a nutcase that murders people for all they know and you just forced them to come after you).

Here, I came up with 4 (FOUR!) reasons to not kill as a vigilante in less than an hour!

I fear I might have sounded too harsh—more than intended—but I believe the line between a "rip-off" and "being inspired" is very thin.

It can be but it is not always. Rip-offs rarely break new ground, inspiration does. A rip-off has no soul, effort or love, inspiration does. Also, rip-offs have nothing meaningful to say. Inspiration means it can stand on its own but a rip-off needs the original to stay afloat and will disappear much sooner than the OG.

To me, the Invincible universe often feels like a bootleg version of DC. I don’t just mean the Guardians of the Globe; you have ideas that feel nearly 1:1, like Tech Jacket being too close to Blue Beetle. Still, I won’t deny that Invincible has fantastic writing and explores bold territory DC would never touch in their main titles. I think the invincible universe is carried by its writting and plots. But you can easily tell wich DC and marvel character they are taking their cues from.

Taking ques is fine. Superman took ques when first made and so did Batman. They became more than that though. Invincible has done the same.

I’m personally favorable toward creators who take existing ideas and put a unique spin on them, making something original instead of feeling like an off-brand soda or a lesser version. For example, Shazam clearly drew inspiration from Superman (its first cover even nods to Superman’s). But it’s not a rip-off; the Shazam franchise evolved into its own entity, more shonen magic instead of superman's sci-fi. In my opinion, DC was just bitter that Fawcett Comics was producing better comics, and selling better at the time.

I think beginning with similarities and ending differently is what most stories do. Everyone is born the same way (crying and screaming) but few live and die the same.

It’s no secret that at least 25% of DC and Marvel characters are intercompany copies.

Some ideas just work, use them well and in a way that is truly yours.

I’m less favorable toward characters or franchises that feel like DC or Marvel but worse or the same except edgy. I’d classify The Authority in this category—those, to me, are rip-offs.

The Authority is a mockery. It is a bully calling two characters gay. Nothing deeper left to be explored. Their job is to kiss in the Pride Month cover and little else.

 

[Disastrously Dumb]

I have no desire to watch that show and wont be. But am I to understand that in the Superman movie, it promotes (because Peacemaker appears in it) a show with gay orgies in it? Are they seriously trying to use a kid's movie to promote TV shows with gay orgies in it? They know the Superman movie is a kid's movie, right?

its crazy that in the orgy scene theres literally 1 gay couple and 1 lesbian couple whilst everyone else seems straight and its labelled "Gay orgies"

I come to understand and analyze that alot of people who hated Gunnverse right now
are mostly linking and realigning all their hatred and frustration with Hollywood as justification to hate on something more sincere attempt to please fans

Whilst Marvel is trying to shove things down people's throats
DCU isnt anything like that, heck, even most normal people didnt see the whole Jahanpur thing in SUPERMAN to be "AH AH AH! LOOK GAZA AND ISRAEL!" whilst theres so many ongoing issues of world conflicts going on like Russia Ukraine, and Thailand Cambodia and etc.

its genuinely weird watching people like Nerdrotic and his pals, and other reviewers who came on hating everything Gunn touches saying stuff like "WHEN WILL SHOWS TARGET FANS?!" when unlike every other show productions that literally shits in people's faces like STAR WARS, MARVEL and RINGS OF POWER. You have a guy and a team of actors who genuinely love their characters that some even know obscure DC lore.

The quip "You either die a hero or live long enough to be the villain" is now the arc Nerdrotic and his gang are becoming
They were the voice of reason during unreasonable times.
and now they are becoming blinded and regurgitating same trigger words that Journalists always do to get clickbaits and hatewatchers.


its weird.

 

[Mystery Spy]

The quip "You either die a hero or live long enough to be the villain" is now the arc Nerdrotic and his gang are becoming
They were the voice of reason during unreasonable times.
and now they are becoming blinded and regurgitating same trigger words that Journalists always do to get clickbaits and hatewatchers.


its weird.

Not quite. Fandom Menace YouTubers were always part of the problem. If anything, this is just the logical extension of their grift. Let me explain:

It can be a guilty pleasure watching someone tear into Disney, Star Wars, or the MCU, or laugh at the arrogance of people like Rachel Zegler or Brie Larson during those low points. But notice what they never did: they never pushed for alternatives. If Star Wars and Star Trek are producing garbage, or if the MCU is at a low point—fine. Then watch something else.

Disney, Paramount, and WB aren’t the only companies making shows and movies. Yet these creators never promoted other entertainment, aside from their own products or vague gestures like “Japan is totally destroying wokeness” without actually recommending anything. There have always been alternatives. Hate modern Star Trek? Watch The Orville. Don’t like current DC? Try Invincible. Korea and Japan are also filled with alternatives. Or why not try indie options?

This was a prime opportunity for alternatives to rise.

Shout-out to Casually Comics, one of the few comic youtubers that recommended comics beyond DC and Marvel.

There’s a difference between healthy criticism and turning it into misery porn. At some point, you need to cut your losses, move on, and enjoy something else. Foaming 24/7 about Disney or the MCU changes nothing—especially if you’re still paying for their movies and subscription services.

The truth is, Fandom Menace YouTubers and most of their fans don’t really want entertainment to improve. They’re just angry they can’t consume their favorite brands anymore. Their money comes from fans being miserable.

Yes, there was a political agenda. But the solution has always been simple: watch what you like if it’s good, or move on to something else you enjoy. Speak with your wallet. Big companies should be begging you consume their products, not you begging them to make something good.

 

[Humble Architect]

I remember that issue of Authority where they were having acutal Diddy parties in their carrier and then they get flattened because they’re hedonistic tards who are too stupid to go all the way with their bullshit and the guys they pissed off (the billionaire 0.2%) fucked their shit up (literally in the case of Engineer and Swift).

Awful misery-porn comic and I say it every time they are mentioned but the good Captain flattening them is still one of the most satisfying moments in comics, they are bastards.

 

[Overly Serious]

its crazy that in the orgy scene theres literally 1 gay couple and 1 lesbian couple whilst everyone else seems straight and its labelled "Gay orgies"

I come to understand and analyze that alot of people who hated Gunnverse right now
are mostly linking and realigning all their hatred and frustration with Hollywood as justification to hate on something more sincere attempt to please fans

Whilst Marvel is trying to shove things down people's throats
DCU isnt anything like that, heck, even most normal people didnt see the whole Jahanpur thing in SUPERMAN to be "AH AH AH! LOOK GAZA AND ISRAEL!" whilst theres so many ongoing issues of world conflicts going on like Russia Ukraine, and Thailand Cambodia and etc.

its genuinely weird watching people like Nerdrotic and his pals, and other reviewers who came on hating everything Gunn touches saying stuff like "WHEN WILL SHOWS TARGET FANS?!" when unlike every other show productions that literally shits in people's faces like STAR WARS, MARVEL and RINGS OF POWER. You have a guy and a team of actors who genuinely love their characters that some even know obscure DC lore.

The quip "You either die a hero or live long enough to be the villain" is now the arc Nerdrotic and his gang are becoming
They were the voice of reason during unreasonable times.
and now they are becoming blinded and regurgitating same trigger words that Journalists always do to get clickbaits and hatewatchers.


its weird.

Good to be corrected on things I've learned second hand. I do agree that some people tolerate inaccuracies just because it makes their intended target look worse and I don't like that either. Also, I saw the conflict in the Superman movie as being more of an attempt to dig at Russia than Israel, but then that's a conflict I follow more so I have my own predisposition there.

But that said, I think there's more going on than people hating Superman for political reasons. I think it was a bad movie all by itself, regardless of any wider context or pattern it forms a part of. I'd say more but for the most part, other than confusing cues and queues(1), I'm mostly in agreement with the others on this one and it's mostly been said.


(1) When I make a persistent mistake that indicates not just a typo, I like to be politely corrected in a friendly way so I do the same for others. No offence meant.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

uhh yeah sure still Snyderverse I guess” because he’s too busy to retcon anything.

It’s just bad writing that fucks up the continuity with Harley Quinn and James Gunn own suicide squad movie.

 

[BiggestKai]

I was wondering who the hell these Authority guys are and how DC would have this much edge in a comic of theirs and then I saw Mark Millar was involved somehow and I knew.

 

[Humble Architect]

The only thing good to come out of the Authority was when Mark Millar was given free-reign to make a team with the opposite political views and use the Avengers to do it. Which is funny cause you can see the DNA for this idea in the first Millar arc of the Authority with the really foul Jack Kirby expy.

Ultimates 1&2 are awesome, moreso when you compare and contrast the Authority. Both teams are political, both teams jump from “fights gud” to people who are living warheads, both get high on their own supply and get taken down, hard.

The difference being the Ultimates learned from their mistakes, while the Authority doubled-down. If ever there was a time-period appropriate crossover, Ultimates vs The Authority would’ve been the apex of late 90s/early-2000s edge.

 

[Newcomer 42]

calling the Boys monsters is pushing it. They lack the nuance required. They are caricatures by someone who writes like a teenager and thinks he is deeeeeeep and coooooool!!! A "LOOOK, A CHARACTER THAT KIIIIIILLS!" and little more.

Soo, what's the difference between The Boys and The Authority and other edgy works again?

As for Wildstorm, they shat for three seconds and could not come up with a reason not to kill and proceeded to kill. 1) No slippery slop (many do not want to have to kill because they do not trust themselves), 2) cannot undue murder (imagine killing a framed man), 3) courts (even in self-defense cases they ask you to come to court and unmask yourself which does not help with the whole secret identity) or 4) police investigating the murder (beat up someone and they can say he messed with the wrong guy but if kill him, they have to investigate because you might be a nutcase that murders people for all they know and you just forced them to come after you).

Here, I came up with 4 (FOUR!) reasons to not kill as a vigilante in less than an hour!

To be fair, sometimes they fight world-threatening monsters that can't be contained, I would give some leeway here, but despite having a literal plane-hopping vehicle, they don't throw perps into hell or something. From what's worth, it was a refreshing change back when I read it (plus I was younger). *Googles*
...Wow, did they destroy an entire country at one point and warn the world to behave or else?
That's more the Justice Lords' sthick than "proper" heroes, anti or otherwise.

 

[Incecticyder]

Soo, what's the difference between The Boys and The Authority and other edgy works again?

The Boys got a bunch of people that knew better what makes for a good story and did that. They went full on TDS later but when they still had their mind, they casted the right people and it worked.

The Authority are a bunch of pricks that we are supposed to cheer for. They are like a crooked cop that catches the occasional thief but extorts you of more of your money than all thieves he catches combined. Imagine having that cop as the guy you are supposed to sympathize with. As for why they are relevant, they have a gay couple. That is it. They are a footnote otherwise.

The other edgy works are not worth dwell on. Neither are these two but you asked for my opinion on them so I gave it.

To be fair, sometimes they fight world-threatening monsters that can't be contained, I would give some leeway here, but despite having a literal plane-hopping vehicle, they don't throw perps into hell or something. From what's worth, it was a refreshing change back when I read it (plus I was younger). *Googles*
...Wow, did they destroy an entire country at one point and warn the world to behave or else?
That's more the Justice Lords' sthick than "proper" heroes, anti or otherwise.

Yes but no one likes a story about assholes, at least not those that aren't charismatic, sympathetic and entertaining. It can be tiring to follow soulless assholes, especially if they are void of personality and charm.

 

[Humble Architect]

Soo, what's the difference between The Boys and The Authority and other edgy works again?


To be fair, sometimes they fight world-threatening monsters that can't be contained, I would give some leeway here, but despite having a literal plane-hopping vehicle, they don't throw perps into hell or something. From what's worth, it was a refreshing change back when I read it (plus I was younger). *Googles*
...Wow, did they destroy an entire country at one point and warn the world to behave or else?
That's more the Justice Lords' sthick than "proper" heroes, anti or otherwise.

The Boys, as bad as they get, typically stay away from hurting innocents, Butcher’s later decision is potrayed as wrong, insane and indoes everything they do. Their show version are much dumber and less competent but by and large, the ones they go after deserve it.

The Authority never back down and think, they are self-righteous retards made up of an actual british whore, an anarchist q literally can’t ever touch grass, a Berkeley nudist who was fully willing to murder the only healthy LI she ever had in the series, a faggot ex-soldier whose entire schtick is compensation, a faggot who got raped by aliens and got powers from it. Who despite his might always jobs, a drug addicted burnout with too much power and a chinky bird-woman who is the least-developed. All of them are actually low-iq reactionaries with the sole exception of Engineer but she’s a follower and has no original thoughts whatsoever. All the types that would fit in with the exaggerated “New Breed” characters that Supes and the gang locked away in KC.

 

[Trollblade69]

Sorry to interrupt the Authority chat. A few QnA bits about MAWS's production I found on TVTropes:

Spoiler

• They had difficulties trying to pitch the cartoon, because they were told the show had to have the potential to meet the 90s cartoon series.
• The Superman transformation scene came about because on of the art directors decide to bust out the idea in front of the executives to the surprise of the rest of the creative team.
• They placed a lot of focus towards the trio's interaction. Josie described it as knowing all the friendship interaction plot points before deciding all the villains. Described as Rom com with punching. The show was originally pitched as Superman and Lois, but they had to change the title and pitch because there was already a working project with that title.
• She doesn't have a good idea when Season 3 will be released, and that decision is by someone above her head, not the creative staff. Most of it is done, because it's in post as we all know.
• She had very little information on Green Lantern. Her main focus was on her Starfire series and Jake Wyatt would have more information on that.
• How they created their villains was taking a subset of core aspects from the character previously, discarded the rest, then translate the parts they kept through a different lens. For example, with Livewire, they took 2 major aspects, her electrical powers and her lack of care for the well-being of others, and then just changed it to be a psycho mercenary to make it fit in smoother with the Task Force X plot. With Monsieur Mallah and the Brain, they liked the gay MLM relationship they had going, but wanted it to be a more positive representation, so they turned them into a more good natured, but amoral couple instead of their normal villainous characterization.
• They were told to not use Lex Luthor, because the executives in charge were tired of him. So they made Alex, slow burned his development a bit. Then as they were further along in development, they said, "what would you think if this was Lex", and that was when they got the go ahead to make him Lex, because they liked Alex.

 

[The greater a'tuin]

I remember that issue of Authority where they were having acutal Diddy parties in their carrier and then they get flattened because they’re hedonistic tards who are too stupid to go all the way with their bullshit and the guys they pissed off (the billionaire 0.2%) fucked their shit up (literally in the case of Engineer and Swift).

Awful misery-porn comic and I say it every time they are mentioned but the good Captain flattening them is still one of the most satisfying moments in comics, they are bastards.

All I know about this comic is that a villain gets turned into a chicken then molested by his uncles. Are the authority themselves sex offenders? Who is "the captain" and how does he "flatten" them?

 

[Humble Architect]

All I know about this comic is that a villain gets turned into a chicken then molested by his uncles. Are the authority themselves sex offenders? Who is "the captain" and how does he "flatten" them?

They are sex pests, during a party, their Nick Fury-expy has a bit of marital trouble and his wife just drops top and gets in a hot tub naked, to have some totally normal “girl talk” with another chick.

Jack, Engineer, the Shaman and I think Swift as well are the most hedonistic. The team devolved when Jack takes over, more bloodthirsty, playing harder and partying harder.

The “Captain” is Captain Atom and in his mini-series “Armageddon,” he visits the Wildstorm universe and is not only disgusted but is approached by the Authority, who, like all the other minds of that universe, have realized he’s turning into a world-ender, due to the “bleed” which was the barrier between DC and Wildstorm.
They try to manipulate him while studying him and he “hits it off” with Engineer, whether it was genuine or not on her part is ambiguous. Anyway, their attempts to stop him from unconsciously becoming the apocalypse fail and they determine he has to die.

He wipes the floor with them, calls Apollo an idiot and overdoses him, the only actual threat on the sun itself (Apollo is a solar battery, not a reactor like Supes), the rest pose no threat. Eventually the idiots wound him and the end-result is the fags and their “daughter” getting vaporized.
That’s the fate of the OG Authority, killed by Captain Atom and their shitheel reality rebooted.