DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Incecticyder]

The worst part is neither do their viewers even think of the arguments or know there is an argument being told at all. As they just go with being told the protagonist is automatically right and anyone else daring to suggest the protagonist might be wrong are to be ignored or are the antagonists.

With Wish and RWBY, people did not buy it and the ratings/box office suffered. People are waking up.

I liked how his reaction was understandable but he escalated to 100 immediately because EVIIL!

His reaction was reasonable. He found out that an idiot with the same powers as him decided to overthrow him in order to recklessly grant wishes. Best case scenario: he wins but a lot of people die. Worst case scenario: he loses, his successor grands bad wishes and the whole world gets wrecked. He realized the bitch had cosmic powers the same as him. He knew what she was capable off as he was also capable of doing it. His fear was justified.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

With Wish and RWBY, people did not buy it and the ratings/box office suffered. People are waking up.

I know but my post you quoted wasn't specific enough, as those people who do watch and enjoy Wish, RWBY and etc. are the ones I am referring too. Not the greater population who nope the fuck out from watching them.

 

[Incecticyder]

I know but my post you quoted wasn't specific enough, as those people who do watch and enjoy Wish, RWBY and etc. are the ones I am referring too. Not the greater population who nope the fuck out from watching them.

No, I get what you meant. I am saying that even those that watch that slop had enough and did not watch that. e.g. RWBY has lost a lot of rating recently and Warner Bros is really worried. Similarly, Wish was meant for a specific crowd and that same crowd clowned on them. They make fan-art of the canceled prince-looking form of the star when Disney said that they scrapped that form to appeal to the modern audience. Turns out, even those nose-ring mafia chicks want a prince.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Having respect for villains is becoming a lost art in Western media. In DC, Lex Luthor has become the worst victim. Excluding Jared Leto's portrayal, the Joker has largely been spared this fate, though attempts have been made to make him pathetic (Like the suicide squad game).

For instance, in Young Justice, Lex Luthor was downgraded from a David Xanatos-esque mastermind to a Trump stand-in. It's simple: if your villain is pathetic, then why should we be impressed once the heroe beats them. It would have been more satisfying to see Superman defeat a criminal genius instead of a manchild with the jealousy of a teenage girl.

 

[Incecticyder]

Having respect for villains is becoming a lost art in Western media. In DC, Lex Luthor has become the worst victim. Excluding Jared Leto's portrayal, the Joker has largely been spared this fate, though attempts have been made to make him pathetic (Like the suicide squad game).

I would say there was at least one more version of the Joker that was done dirty in the movie department.

For instance, in Young Justice, Lex Luthor was downgraded from a David Xanatos-esque mastermind to a Trump stand-in. It's simple: if your villain is pathetic, then why should we be impressed once the heroe beats them. It would have been more satisfying to see Superman defeat a criminal genius instead of a manchild with the jealousy of a teenage girl.

Exactly! Your hero stepped on an ant, big deal! Make it so he fights a strong villain next time! This is a byproduct of the HER-oes phenomenon. Modern heroes (mostly women) do not have to rise to the occasion anymore, it is the world that needs to realize how great they already were and for that to happen, they need jobbers, not equals.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I would say there was at least one more version of the Joker that was done dirty in the movie department.


Exactly! Your hero stepped on an ant, big deal! Make it so he fights a strong villain next time! This is a byproduct of the HER-oes phenomenon. Modern heroes (mostly women) do not have to rise to the occasion anymore, it is the world that needs to realize how great they already were and for that to happen, they need jobbers, not equals.

Arthur Fleck definitely gets done dirty in Joker 2.

 

[soulgains]

The protagonist was a black woman. That character type has the most plot armor and relevance ever no matter the show she's in, having more than "regular blacks" if these are around. Niggressess cannot be evil characters as well (unless there are multiple, perhaps?), as that would be racist or something, no matter how nonsensical they are.

Amanda Waller is supposed to be an evil bitch who tortures people in CIA black sites. Even in Gunn's "universe" she's at the bare minimum morally gray and questionable.

It's actually funny how the most interesting Black character in the franchise was casted and originally written by the same people the Gunn ballwashers despise. I imagine at this point Viola Davis has been playing this character for so long that she gets into fights with Gunn when he wants her to say or do something retarded and out of character. Spending a decade of your life playing the same character would make anyone sentimental, and even pressure from James Gunn and his shitty writting can't compromise the integrity of a narcissistic and vain actress like her.

"Too many cooks in the kitchen" is usually used to call out projects with an unclear creative vision, but Gunn is the exact opposite of it. More cooks are DESPERATELY needed to salvage this mess.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Amanda Waller is supposed to be an evil bitch who tortures people in CIA black sites. Even in Gunn's "universe" she's at the bare minimum morally gray and questionable.

Her character was written WAAY before this woke insanity reached critical mass, though. I was talking about current year works, where this rule applies.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

The truth is, Fandom Menace YouTubers and most of their fans don’t really want entertainment to improve. They’re just angry they can’t consume their favorite brands anymore. Their money comes from fans being miserable.

It should be noted that a big problem with the Fandom Menace, specifically for this thread, is that non of them are really DC fans. Most of them only seem to care about DC in terms of the culture war and creating the Marvel killer, but listening to them, you can tell they never liked the brand. They spend a lot of time glazing Marvel as the brand that was always kicking DC’s ass in terms of popularity and setting up DC fans as the weird overly obsessed fans. This comes out a lot in Nerdrotic’s discussions.

I would heavily take their “critiques” with a grain of salt. They barely care and most of their criticisms wouldn’t do much for DC which has historically been successful breaking the dude-bro, hyper masculine content they want.

Amanda Waller is supposed to be an evil bitch who tortures people in CIA black sites. Even in Gunn's "universe" she's at the bare minimum morally gray and questionable.

Her best adaption was the DCAU, where she was explicitly made out to be morally grey.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Amanda Waller is supposed to be an evil bitch who tortures people in CIA black sites. Even in Gunn's "universe" she's at the bare minimum morally gray and questionable.

Remember that DC Superhero Girl cartoon where they put her in charge of a school for young heroes?

 

[Incecticyder]

Amanda Waller is supposed to be an evil bitch who tortures people in CIA black sites. Even in Gunn's "universe" she's at the bare minimum morally gray and questionable.

It's actually funny how the most interesting Black character in the franchise was casted and originally written by the same people the Gunn ballwashers despise. I imagine at this point Viola Davis has been playing this character for so long that she gets into fights with Gunn when he wants her to say or do something retarded and out of character. Spending a decade of your life playing the same character would make anyone sentimental, and even pressure from James Gunn and his shitty writting can't compromise the integrity of a narcissistic and vain actress like her.

"Too many cooks in the kitchen" is usually used to call out projects with an unclear creative vision, but Gunn is the exact opposite of it. More cooks are DESPERATELY needed to salvage this mess.

Viola Davis is perfect casting on her. She looks just masculine enough to look intimidating. I do understand that she would have problems with Gunn. As I have said before, he is not someone to write DC straight and unironically. Waller is supposed to be someone who was made harsher by the world. She has a sympathetic backstory but she is not sympathetic herself.

Gunn, I do not think he can see many things unironically. He might have gotten some of Marvel right but he gets very little of DC right. I can ensure you, he will be in big trouble with "The Authority" movie. They are not kind of team that fit in a cinematic universe and either you write them comic accurate (and alienate the audience as they are not a beloved team outside of select few weirdos) or you change them completely and at that point you could choose a more recognizable team instead.

Her character was written WAAY before this woke insanity reached critical mass, though. I was talking about current year works, where this rule applies.

She is the wrong kind of person to try that approach too.

It should be noted that a big problem with the Fandom Menace, specifically for this thread, is that non of them are really DC fans. Most of them only seem to care about DC in terms of the culture war and creating the Marvel killer, but listening to them, you can tell they never liked the brand. They spend a lot of time glazing Marvel as the brand that was always kicking DC’s ass in terms of popularity and setting up DC fans as the weird overly obsessed fans. This comes out a lot in Nerdrotic’s discussions.

I would heavily take their “critiques” with a grain of salt. They barely care and most of their criticisms wouldn’t do much for DC which has historically been successful breaking the dude-bro, hyper masculine content they want.

They are useful idiots in many ways. Nothing against them but I consider them little more than talking heads. They do need a DC guy though.

Her best adaption was the DCAU, where she was explicitly made out to be morally grey.

A lost art is that she is a legit "girlboss" because she learns. She lasted in that cutthroat world because, while she is a hard ass, she adapted and helped mediate between the Justice League and the government. Helps that she does try to do the right thing despite everything.

 

[Calandrino]

Viola Davis is perfect casting on her.

Coulda gone with CCH Pounder again, plus Clancy Brown for live action Luthor too

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Arthur Fleck definitely gets done dirty in Joker 2.

I'm still not very fond of "what if Jack Nicholson impersonated Ric Flair while dressed like the Joker?"

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Leak day…

Guess George Newbern and Phil LaMarr went ahead and told fans Injustice 3 is coming at a recent con.



Alright, which Gunn slop character is getting in? My bets are Peace Maker and Mr. Terrific.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

Put in Larfleeze or there will be bloodshed this I promise

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Put in Larfleeze or there will be bloodshed this I promise

Ok, we will add King Shark from your favorite DC brand Suicide Squad, along with the Bride from Creature Commandos.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Leak day…

Guess George Newbern and Phil LaMarr went ahead and told fans Injustice 3 is coming at a recent con.
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Alright, which Gunn slop character is getting in? My bets are Peace Maker and Mr. Terrific.

It seems the injustice comic with He-Man isn't canon.

I hope it's not too much to ask that it stops being a bank-wank fest or that people stop pretending there was a "moral dilemma." The regime is obviously the bad guys, but some fans unironically think it's a super complex civil war dilemma and believe they're clever for siding with the ,obviously meant to be correct, Batman.

I like Batman, but honestly, the Injustice series doesn't make Superman or Wonder Woman look good or other characters for that matter.

 

[Incecticyder]

It seems the injustice comic with He-Man isn't canon.

I hope it's not too much to ask that it stops being a bank-wank fest or that people stop pretending there was a "moral dilemma." The regime is obviously the bad guys, but some fans unironically think it's a super complex civil war dilemma and believe they're clever for siding with the ,obviously meant to be correct, Batman.

I like Batman, but honestly, the Injustice series doesn't make Superman or Wonder Woman look good or other characters for that matter.

Clark is the one person Bruce considers a brother. He has sons, daughter, Alfred as his father but Clark is his brother. Superman has done a lot to earn Batman's trust. Even the Kryptonite is only for other Kryptonians or for the off-chance Superman gets mind-controlled. But unmind-controlled Superman has Batman's absolute trust.

Also, are we supposed to believe that Superman would blame society for THE JOKER?! He is outside society and everyone knows it! And are we to believe that Wonder Woman would go along with such a plan to begin with too? Diana is the loving one amongst the League. No way would she lead anyone to a darker path willingly.

Injustice is a very flawed premise. It demands you accept characters would do things that are outside of their character for horrible reasons. The only worthwhile contribution of Injustice was the comic where Harley Quin calls out Green Arrow of copying Batman by calling his lair "Arrow Cave" and suggests "The Quiver" as an alternative. Nothing more from Injustice is worth remembering.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

The only worthwhile contribution of Injustice was the comic where Harley Quin calls out Green Arrow of copying Batman by calling his lair "Arrow Cave" and suggests "The Quiver" as an alternative. Nothing more from Injustice is worth remembering.

and that's like, what, twenty years ago?

 

[Incecticyder]

and that's like, what, twenty years ago?

Less so but the point still stands. Very funny because Oliver agrees that it is the better name. Her argument is that bats live in caves and thus "Bat Cave" works for Batman but arrows are inanimate objects and do not live at all, much less in caves. They are located in quivers before use though and thus the name "Quiver" works for the lair of Green Arrow (and Red Arrow too).