DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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9/11 couldn't happen in DC because Supes would fly there instantly. Unless there was Kryptonite hidden nearby in the worst case scenario he would be able to "only" stop one of the planes. Even then, there's Flash, Wonder woman, and even Batman to reduce the damage and detain the culprits. Most writers were wise enough to not mix RL events with superheroes for obvious reasons, as it quickly becomes dumb otherwise. Seems Pedogunn didn't get the memo.
When you see guys in tights throwing cars at each other every day on the way to work, 9/11 might not seem like that big of a deal. Buildings in Metropolis must fall down all the time.
 
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I just wanna let everyone know 2 things, one of them being a sweet update on this situation.

1: "She" is actually a he.

2: His dilated his BlueSky account.
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3: That tweet let to "her" Red Hood comic run getting cancelled... Or so is being said, cause Google Gemini says that he actually got fired a month ago for calling (((them))) out:
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Featured thread post.

This creature has his own thread too, BTW.

Edit: Not DC related, but probably the most pozzed comic company, IDW also has this problem.
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IDW has Matt Frank here working on several franchises (Godzilla, Mothra, Transformers, etc.).
 
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What in the shitty ass Joss Weadon shit was that dialogue?
Whedon deserves more credit, that's like Brooklyn 99 tier

Get ready for Lex to become an mc in the DC universe. Under a good writer, this can work as Lex arguably always becomes one at some point, but Gunn's man-child take has me skeptical as to how this may work out.
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Wonder if the "bigger threat" is zionist jews again
 
9/11 couldn't happen in DC because Supes would fly there instantly. Unless there was Kryptonite hidden nearby in the worst case scenario he would be able to "only" stop one of the planes. Even then, there's Flash, Wonder woman, and even Batman to reduce the damage and detain the culprits. Most writers were wise enough to not mix RL events with superheroes for obvious reasons, as it quickly becomes dumb otherwise. Seems Pedogunn didn't get the memo.
This didn't stopped Marvel from having 9/11 happening, in spite of having more superheroes in NYC than in DC.
 
When you see guys in tights throwing cars at each other every day on the way to work, 9/11 might not seem like that big of a deal. Buildings in Metropolis must fall down all the time.
That's the thing: Collateral damage is a constant, but not casualties. Plus there are guys like The Flash who can repair the damage, or Batman who can pay for it.
Even Dragon Ball understood that collateral damage from fights is to make them spectacular, not to make them overdramatic by having the bad guy (or worse, the hero) throw cars full of people around. Or have a villain kill thousands of people just to piss off Superman (unless you're trying to go for a really evil villain).

Whedon deserves more credit, that's like Brooklyn 99 tier


Wonder if the "bigger threat" is zionist jews again
I wonder how will he self-insert, as it seems it's a thing he does, in case he wasn't gross enough.

This didn't stopped Marvel from having 9/11 happening, in spite of having more superheroes in NYC than in DC.
I know little of Marvel so I dunno, but people here hate the heroes and things tend to be grimderp, so 9/11 happening is not too surprising. Didn't Marvel start that mania of making heroes edgy again by the whole Civil War drama, which started by a bad guy blow up a school-bus or something like that?
 
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What happened to Superman saying "kindness is punk rock"?
Get ready for Lex to become an mc in the DC universe. Under a good writer, this can work as Lex arguably always becomes one at some point, but Gunn's man-child take has me skeptical as to how this may work out.
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It's probably going to either be Darkseid or Doomsday. Maybe Brainiac if they're creative.
 
I know little of Marvel so I dunno, but people here hate the heroes and things tend to be grimderp, so 9/11 happening is not too surprising.
Marvel TPTB were cashing in on 9/11 happening. Pissing off comic fans, causals and normies who vaguely known who Spider-Man, Captain America, and maybe Fantastic Four were and which city they live in. As everyone but the Marvel simps and speculators were calling bullshit on it.

Didn't Marvel start that mania of making heroes edgy again by the whole Civil War drama, which started by a bad guy blow up a school-bus or something like that?
Yup and people were fucking pissed again on over the plot contrives and how massively out of character almost everyone was during and after it.
 
It's probably going to either be Darkseid or Doomsday. Maybe Brainiac if they're creative.
Perhaps Bizarro since he was kind of set up in this latest Superman movie, or they could do Parasite. Darkseid, Doomsday, and Brainiac seem like villains that would be saved for later once this shared universe has been further established. Not that WB is known for being patient.
 
I think Gunn might end up being worse for the DC brand than Snyder. DC has avoided the "soy" connotation that destroyed Marvel's image, but everything the DCU has released (from G.I. Robot mowing down neo-Nazis to "kindness is the new punk rock") has been dripping with the same kind of energy as Vaush saying "Why didn't Kyle Rittenhouse just let the rioters beat him? Iron Man would" and Gunn seems hellbent on making DC's future that of the MCU, but the characters swear and have bisexual orgies.
 
Under a good writer, this can work as Lex arguably always becomes one at some point, but Gunn's man-child take has me skeptical as to how this may work out.
This might have worked if they went for a chad Lex in the vein of the animated series / smallville but this Lex was introduced as a whiny loser that gets cucked by jimmy olsen and is probably a faggot.

Almost as bad as the Jesse Eisenberg Lex - it's amazing how much of this reboot has just been a lateral move with much of the same issues from the snyder shit.

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Reminder that James Gunn's self-insert "Weasel" is a child murderer.

All this shit should be scrapped, Gunn and crew should be in prison for being gay and lame and cringe.
 
I wonder how Supergirl will do, especially since Gunn wants her to be the "fourth pillar" of the DCU. I don't think many people will show up to watch a character who was introduced as a sloppy, drunk partygirl who called Superman a bitch.
Yeah, it's not exactly Nick Fury telling Iron Man about the Avenger Initiative.

It's also redundant to introduce Supergirl after Superman in short succession, much less put her on the same level as the Big Three. Hell, even the Arrowverse waited to introduce Superman after the Supergirl show premiered.
 
Almost as bad as the Jesse Eisenberg Lex - it's amazing how much of this reboot has just been a lateral move with much of the same issues from the snyder shit.
I'll go to bat over this - Eisenberg Lex was not bad, he was just not really Lex. Whereas Gunn's Lex is both not Lex Luthor AND a bad villain.

I've only seen the extended cut of BvS so it's possible we got more of Eisenberg Lex in that which makes some difference, but he was effectively creepy and came across as smart in it. I liked Eisenberg's way of delivering multi-level little digs at people. Again, it's not Lex but it is fun the way he does his "I'm so smart I'm going to insult you right under your nose" dialogue. I think of myself as pretty perceptive but I still didn't notice that in his library speech he picks on Zeus as his allegorical example of arrogance and cruelty, knowing full well, as we later find out, who Diana is and that she's in the audience. There's a tiny cut away to her face as he delivers this. His "Mother of God, would you look at the time" as he's about to leave in the helicopter - he's done this whole speech about god vs. man and is referencing Martha Kent who he has hostage. And right at the end, in prison, confronted by Batman he talks about how this is how it all caves in with "civilisation on the wayne, manors out the window". He's doing this sort of wordplay throughout the movie and I really enjoy it. For all that people mock the "Why did you say that name" line, Lex's set-up and plan all works and he is a step ahead of everyone else all the way. He has figured out who Batman is and knowing he either can't or doesn't want to fight Superman himself, he manipulates an already grieving and resentful Bruce Wayne into doing it for him. I don't think it's ever outright explained to the audience that he's fed Bruce Wayne the information about kryptonite and what it can do and that he leaves a trail of breadcrumbs to exactly where Bruce can steal it from. He even adapts when Superman unknowingly foils Batman's first attempt to get hold of it (Batman is pursuing connections to the smuggler in the chase where Superman intervenes). And he finds the leverage to make Clark fight Batman because Clark is now literally fighting for his mother's life. It only all fails because of one moment of human empathy when Batman realises that this world threatening alien he's built up in his mind (with Lex's spurring on) is terrified that his mother will die.

And maybe people do make fun of Batman and Superman's mothers both being called Martha, but Zack Snyder didn't set that up - that's been their canon names from way way back. So if people are upset that a comic book movie of all genres is too on the nose, I personally give Snyder some leeway.

Snyder Lex even has a pretty solid back-up plan in Doomsday all good to go and that's another example of Lex doing things on two levels at once. He exploits the fear of Superman that he himself is creating, to get access to what he needs to create Doomsday. The moment Batman fails to kill Superman, he flicks the switch on Doomsday.

So, I sperged. Well, it's a thread for sperging. TL;DR: The Snyder Lex isn't a good Lex, but he's a good villain and his plans are not actually stupid. The Gunn Lex is both a petulent childish Lex and his plans are moronic. "Down, down, left - activate the magic combo to punch Superman in his super-kidney... runs to other monitor... now - patella strike #37! Oh, and somebody get me an update on the device that splits the world in half if someone punches it wrong..."

I'm sorry it's hard to stop sperging but just compare the two Lex's plans to discredit Superman's reputation. Lex utilises Lois' own career as a reporter to get her into a dangerous situation, uses his own connections to guarantee that it goes South, knowing full well that this guarantees Superman's intervention in a government / international incident. And even though Lois does in the end figure out how it's done with the bullet, her victory is almost meaningless because by that point Lex has gotten what he wanted out of that particular scheme and his goal wasn't to do some public PR stunt but to scare governments. Much more logical. Whereas Gunn's reputation attack is to invade the Fortress of Solitude, happen to find an embarrassing message from Superman's parents about building a harem and happen to be able to repair it when Superman couldn't and make him look like a jerk in front of the public. Look - the Gunn PR attack is instantly refutable by the simple fact that we have a grown adult Superman with no kids. The Snyder Lex is only refutable partially and after a lot of investigation and a lucky break (getting a stray bullet in the first place by one hitting the diary that uniquely was something removed from the scene before they could clean it up) and even after proving Lex's involvement it still kind of works because Superman actually did stick his nose into international relations as a result of Lex's manipulation, proving the point. Meanwhile in the Gunn universe, his Superman is so moronic no manipulation is necessary. He just stands there yelling at Lois "people were going to die" 50 seconds into a softball interview by his own girlfriend.

People can condemn the Snyder movies for being super-serious. That's my own criticism too when I make one. But there are so many intelligent little details in it. I love the little quizzical look Clark gives Bruce when Alfred talks to him in his hidden earpiece, because Clark has heard it and is going WTF? And Lex? Lex is full of actually intelligent little details. He comes across as actually smart. Not like that 4chan meme about Sherlock Holmes and how stupid people write smart people.

Thank you for coming to my Sped Talk. (I actually agreed with everything else you wrote. And I don't even disagree that he's not a good Lex, I just think viewed independently of what Lex is traditionally like, he's a good villain. The Gunn one I dislike in every way. The only advantage he has over the Snyder Lex is that the Gunn Lex is actually bald).
 
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