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I thought it was lame that Red Son contrived yet another scenario for Batman to beat up Superman, but it does also have Batman defeat Wonder Woman offscreen with no explanation. That's the kind of insult they usually reserve for Green Lantern.
well, being tied up was her original weakness
and the lanterns have been jobbers for a long ass time at this point
i've lost count the amount of times they get their ring snatched and then immediately die
 
The mutt Supergirl movie will get some women in the theatres because of the gay ohio islander. Because they still think of Khal Drogo.

I’m hoping for failure, as I do with everything Gunn touches. Kara is just an unnecessary character and there’s a reason the best Superman era did not have her. “Last Son” or go home.
Sadly, Supergirl is the most worthwhile DC project to talk about this year.

I think we all forgot Clayface is the third movie of this franchise and will release this year, then we have the Lanterns show. After that, the only other dated projects are Superman 2 in 2027 and Batman in 2028, meaning great content like the Authority, Waller, Paradise Lost and Booster Gold will release at some point potentially in the next years if not cancelled? I believe there is also Wonder Woman and Teen Titans in the works.
Jesus what a shit lineup.

Honestly the only thing I hold some interest in is Dynamic Duo if only because of them hiring Swaybox to use their highly advanced puppets for it. Story could be shit, but it'll be a technical marvel.
 
I hate that Kelly MacDonald is in Lanterns. I don't know if she owed someone a favor, or there was just someone she wanted to work with or what. Hopefully it's not too humiliating for her.

Clayface releasing on 9/11 will be the greatest disaster to ever occur on that date.
 
Kara is just an unnecessary character and there’s a reason the best Superman era did not have her. “Last Son” or go home.
I kinda disagree on this. But I can see why most people think this way.

I think she is less “unnessesary” and more “wasted”. She is a character that has been more miss than hit. Most versions of her, including the comics have been terrible.

Like BBB said, it’s doable but it requires work. The CW’s Supergirl failed because, woke shit aside, she was basically just Clark in a skirt in there . They even gave her his storylines and stole Clark’s meek secret identity/ confident superpowered self persona. Gunn is halfway there in that she shouldn’t just be a Clark clone. But he also missed the mark by making her too butch.

I have yet to see a comic version that does her Justice either. Many comic writers seem to have a fear of cooties and don’t write women well either. So they might deliver a solid Superman, but a subpar supergirl.

I would agree with you in principle, but what convinced me she can be an interesting character on her own is the DCAU.



Who knew that just writting her as, what she is, a femenine teenager with flaws, would be the secret?
 
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Sadly, Supergirl is the most worthwhile DC project to talk about this year.

I think we all forgot Clayface is the third movie of this franchise and will release this year, then we have the Lanterns show. After that, the only other dated projects are Superman 2 in 2027 and Batman in 2028, meaning great content like the Authority, Waller, Paradise Lost and Booster Gold will release at some point potentially in the next years if not cancelled? I believe there is also Wonder Woman and Teen Titans in the works.
Jesus what a shit lineup.

Honestly the only thing I hold some interest in is Dynamic Duo if only because of them hiring Swaybox to use their highly advanced puppets for it. Story could be shit, but it'll be a technical marvel.
I actually think Authority if done right could’ve put this edgelord wank to bed and helped reinforce why Superman is supreme. But after seeing them butcher my girl with the ugly filter, I’m not holding my breath.

“No goy. No chrome Latina for you. Here, take naked men in Peacemaker.”

Cause Disney sure as shit isn’t gonna do Squadron Supreme or their more based Ultimate version,
 
This comic is spot on.

Twitter and certain DC fanboys foam at the mouth and try to lynch you if you question Wonder Woman being a "Big Three" comic character, let alone a Big Three DC character. Anyone who questions it instantly becomes a pariah. But when you ask why, their answer boils down to, "She just is, okay?"

I am not even a Wonder Woman hater—I actually like the character—but comic fanboys are defending a brand rather than reality. WW is iconic as hell, but also massively underutilized. She has had only one good live-action movie in decades, no iconic TV shows newer than the Soviet Union, no comics appearing on best-seller lists of all time, and no good solo video games. People love what she represents, not what she actually is.

Iron Man, Batman, Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Superman have far more cultural relevance and fans in the modern day. It’s telling that the most relevant she has been in years is her "Absolute" line; for "normies," she was last relevant when Gal Gadot portrayed her.

To be fair, she could become a Top Three character if WB bothered to invest in her. But when I watch an animated movie/show or play a game, her role is usually just to be angry, a "straw feminist," or plain unlikable (injustice).

 
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if you question Wonder Woman being a "Big Three" comic character, let alone a Big Three DC character.
the big reasons for her being #3 and the main girl are

she's not Guy But She's A Girl like Batwoman/girl, Supergirl, Spiderwoman, Girl Captain Marvel or whatever

tv shows for boomers. it was George Reeves Superman, Adam West Batman, Linda Carter Wonder Woman
 
the big reasons for her being #3 and the main girl are

she's not Guy But She's A Girl like Batwoman/girl, Supergirl, Spiderwoman, Girl Captain Marvel or whatever

I don’t disagree. She is hella iconic. She is historically important and she is a female super hero that isn’t just a gender swap. Wonder Woman is comic book royalty.

But is she relevant, and with enough recent good material, fans and appeal to match the big boys? Not even close.

That’s what I mean when I say people like the idea of her not WW herself. If people truly liked her , I should be hearing normies talk about favorite storylines, and portrayals, not merely “she is a girl power icon” . Granted she is not devoid of that, there’s been some good storylines. She is popular. Just not on the level to be a “top 3”.

Lynda Carter’s show is insanely iconic, sure, but it’s also a 70’s show. Literally older than the Soviet Union’s fall. How many Tv show, including cartoons, has Spiderman been in since then? There’s even a Japanese adaptation that is still fondly remembered .
 
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I don’t disagree. She is hella iconic. She is historically important and she is a female super heroe that isn’t just a gender swap.

But is she relevant, and with enough recent good material, fans and appeal to match the big boys? Not even close.

That’s what I mean when I say people like the idea of her not WW herself. If people truly liked her , I should be hearing normies talk about favorite storylines, and portrayals, not merely “she is a girl power icon.” Granted she is not devoid of that. She is popular Just not on the level to be a “top 3”.

Lynda Carter’s show is insanely iconic, sure, but it’s also a 70’s show. Literally older than the Soviet Union. How many Tv show has Spiderman been in since then? There’s even a Japanese adaptation.
it doesn't help that her villains suck
 
I kinda disagree on this. But I can see why most people think this way.

I think she is less “unnessesary” and more “wasted”. She is a character that has been more miss than hit. Most versions of her, including the comics have been terrible.

Like BBB said, it’s doable but it requires work. The CW’s Supergirl failed because, woke shit aside, she was basically just Clark in a skirt in there . They even gave her his storylines and stole Clark’s meek secret identity/ confident superpowered self persona. Gunn is halfway there in that she shouldn’t just be a Clark clone. But he also missed the mark by making her too butch.

I have yet to see a comic version that does her Justice either. Many comic writers seem to have a fear of cooties and don’t write women well either. So they might deliver a solid Superman, but a subpar supergirl.

I would agree with you in principle, but what convinced me she can be an interesting character on her own is the DCAU.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=K2MeUmZqzkU
Who knew that just writting her as, what she is, a femenine teenager with flaws, would be the secret?
I see that, but I hate sidekicks and the “Superfamily” and Kara is a gateway to that idea. “No kryptonians” is just good rule and keeps Clark unique. If it’s not Zod’s crew, then it shouldn’t be allowed. Supergirl, Power Girl, the little shits, the chink, the faggot, the warworld kryptonians and even Connor when he lost his unique bells and whistles, all bring nothing to the setting but watering down Clark. The only kryptonian presence should be villians or machines like Kelex, Jor-El’s AI and the Eradicator. Ghosts.

I don’t even like multiverse Supermen who aren’t Kal-El, because they’re gateways to make abominations. Herman Guerra is the exception, even if he’s made by Bruce Timm’s cuck fetish.

“There is only one Superman.”
-Eradicator
man, the absolute worst part is wondy is almost always a different character in everything she's in
You mean histrionic cunt in every team up/elseworld?
 
This comic is spot on.

Twitter and certain DC fanboys foam at the mouth and try to lynch you if you question Wonder Woman being a "Big Three" comic character, let alone a Big Three DC character. Anyone who questions it instantly becomes a pariah. But when you ask why, their answer boils down to, "She just is, okay?"

I am not even a Wonder Woman hater—I actually like the character—but comic fanboys are defending a brand rather than reality. WW is iconic as hell, but also massively underutilized. She has had only one good live-action movie in decades, no iconic TV shows newer than the Soviet Union, no comics appearing on best-seller lists of all time, and no good solo video games. People love what she represents, not what she actually is.

Iron Man, Batman, Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Superman have far more cultural relevance and fans in the modern day. It’s telling that the most relevant she has been in years is her "Absolute" line; for "normies," she was last relevant when Gal Gadot portrayed her.

To be fair, she could become a Top Three character if WB bothered to invest in her. But when I watch an animated movie/show or play a game, her role is usually just to be angry, a "straw feminist," or plain unlikable (injustice).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=imiTNIISKvc
There's a sexual dimension to her too that most writers have trouble conveying without turning softcore. So she ends up as a less interesting Superman.
 
I kinda disagree on this. But I can see why most people think this way.

I think she is less “unnessesary” and more “wasted”. She is a character that has been more miss than hit. Most versions of her, including the comics have been terrible.

Like BBB said, it’s doable but it requires work. The CW’s Supergirl failed because, woke shit aside, she was basically just Clark in a skirt in there . They even gave her his storylines and stole Clark’s meek secret identity/ confident superpowered self persona. Gunn is halfway there in that she shouldn’t just be a Clark clone. But he also missed the mark by making her too butch.

I have yet to see a comic version that does her Justice either. Many comic writers seem to have a fear of cooties and don’t write women well either. So they might deliver a solid Superman, but a subpar supergirl.

I would agree with you in principle, but what convinced me she can be an interesting character on her own is the DCAU.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=K2MeUmZqzkU
Who knew that just writting her as, what she is, a femenine teenager with flaws, would be the secret?
I’ve mentioned it previously, but she’s potential woman.

She has such a unique angle to play compared to Clark. She isn’t the baby that landed on Earth, came into the care of two loving Earth parents, and learned what it meant to be human. She was a teen girl who went through the traumatic experience of watching her people perish, drifted off into space for years, only to be brought to a foreign planet that is starkly underdeveloped compared to the world she left.

Clark had a purpose to show the people of Earth the light. Kara’s purpose was to take care of him, and even then, her entire purpose was stripped away from her due to circumstances out of her control.

She is a somewhat anger-prone teen girl trying to find a place in the world that isn’t just being in Clark’s shadow. Absolutely fantastic story potential that is typically sidelined by retcons and writers undoing her as hard as they undo Wonder Woman. She should be a Robin, a character that builds off of the main hero, but uses it as a launch pad to take on a new identity. Hell, Power Girl should be the Nightwing breakaway instead of some weird multiverse shit, it would make so much sense having her craft an identity separate from Clark by ridding herself of the Super identity.

A good story would take in these factors to build a narrative about a girl trying to find her purpose, her overall placement in the universe. When with Clark, they should have an inverse Batman/Robin dynamic, Clark is the happy social hero whereas Kara is the more stern, lonely one. On her own, she should be trying to adapt to her new home, finding ways to improve it through what she knows of Krypton. I always liked Injustice & Tomorrowverse making her more scientific/engineer like, gives her a unique dimension from Clark that could build different relationships.

If done correct you get a different character from Clark and one that adds dimensions to him as he gets 1 Kryptonian in his life that isn’t evil, the one firm connection to his original home that he can “save.”


I see that, but I hate sidekicks and the “Superfamily” and Kara is a gateway to that idea. “No kryptonians” is just good rule and keeps Clark unique. If it’s not Zod’s crew, then it shouldn’t be allowed. Supergirl, Power Girl, the little shits, the chink, the faggot, the warworld kryptonians and even Connor when he lost his unique bells and whistles, all bring nothing to the setting but watering down Clark. The only kryptonian presence should be villians or machines like Kelex, Jor-El’s AI and the Eradicator. Ghosts.
This is just a DC problem in general. Their characters have gone on far too long and the royalty nature of comics has created way too many unnecessary additions.

In my view, Superman should just half the cast, which is arguably how most adaptations handle it. Kara is a classic character at this point so she stays, Connor is great whether you want to make him the hip 90s kid or the angsty Young Justice version, and I would even include Steel as a worthwhile addition. Obviously Jonathan and the pets are safe, but past them, just get rid of it all. Power girl can be morphed into Supergirl, which again, is pretty much how she is handled outside comics, and the rest can be deleted.

I feel the same way about most of DC’s heroes. Batman also is way over bloated with worthless characters like Duke. Even characters I like such as Jason and Tim just exist now.

Green Lantern is another that is now filled with random black characters when John is pretty much the only one people care about, and exclusively due to the DCAU. I guess Jessica has broken into the mainstream somewhat due to her teenage appearances in DCSHG and the DCAU, but ehh…


Lynda Carter’s show is insanely iconic, sure, but it’s also a 70’s show. Literally older than the Soviet Union’s fall. How many Tv show, including cartoons, has Spiderman been in since then? There’s even a Japanese adaptation that is still fondly remembered .
She’s a victim of internal politics. There were many pitches for WW shows and movies in the 90s and 00s that were shelved due to toy companies refusing to market a girl hero. Her appearances were also kneecapped by her creator’s estate declaring that she had to be a main protagonist to appear, basically killing her opportunity to appear in The Batman 04, or even having main stay Donna Troy depicted in the final season of Teen Titans 03.

Had she gotten the animated series treatment, I think we would be including her on the Mt Rushmore. The series would have streamlined her and probably fixed her villains (@XYZpdq Jr.) as had been done with Batman, Superman and even the Titans.
 
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Steel works when he isn’t exclusively taking Clark’s sloppy seconds. Obviously his potential was cut down with the shitty movie but he still had a run, a cast and world of his own, his world should not be Clark but dipped in chocolate. Which means he should not be porking Lana (for many reasons) and his niece needs to stop being Steel. Other than that?
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For anyone not versed in the glory of Post-Crisis Superman, he was Clark’s best friend. Those two did this when they met in Engine City, instant bros. It was the case up until Loeb’s “Superman/Batman” re-cannonized the World’s Finest as best friends/brothers and not just the best of the best.

Steel kicks ass, embodies the Golden Age, “working Joe here to fix things” vibe, while adding to Clark’s cast with a non-kryptonian. Steel getting hired to remake the Fortress and Kelex ending up speaking ebonics? Hilarious, I think that and Our Worlds at War/Emperor Joker was the last of the two being really close friends.

Steel even had the charisma to talk down the Eradicator and get it to stop being autistic, it was only undone when the most absurdly jewish copyright lawyer tried to serve both men for wearing a “copyrighted” symbol that the AI flipped its shit.

He was one of the good ones. I have no idea about the modern version of the character other than him and Lana being grotesque and his dyke niece stealing his schtick.
 
Hell, Power Girl should be the Nightwing breakaway instead of some weird multiverse shit, it would make so much sense having her craft an identity separate from Clark by ridding herself of the Super identity.
Someone else thinks it. Thank you! Supergirl maturing into Power Girl is such a great natural fit I'm shocked it's never been tried yet in the main 'verse, as convoluted as it'd inevitably be to make it happen without a reboot.

Also, imagine combining all the big details of all the Kara's into one:

1) Anger-prone initial Kara Zor-El a la New52, given the name Kara Starr, gets adopted by the Danvers
2) Becomes Superman's "secret weapon" in training to become Supergirl, lightens up and learns to have fun/be a normal girl a la Silver Age, saves the day in public and openly celebrated as Superman's partner
3) Becomes the independent young woman of the Bronze Age into the take-no-shit Peegee of the same era, founds Starrware,
4) Eventually becomes the rather self-aware-of-superheroics (since she's a Kryptonian looking at Earth from an outsider's perspective), easy-going Power Girl

It works so well as a character arc I hope any inevitable, ACTUAL DC continuity reboot (as death-knelling as it'd be) would incorporate them into becoming one singular character.

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Also, you all remember I always make a big deal on an idealized "present-day era" Jimmy essentially being a Philip J Fry analogue of "reader's viewpoint into the crazy world even when they got used to it/Daily Planet's clickbait generator to make him go out on stupid fun adventures", so would such a personality and plot point be a GREAT bouncing-off of the self-aware, yet not quite, 4th-wall breaking Peegee - and a nice way to tie them together as a couple, a la the hints they got in the Silver Age version. You know Superman would find it equally amusing, pleasant, and a relief at once to have his Best Pal Jimmy having someone else to look out for him, even if it's Jimmy's literally superpowered girlfriend that happens to be his cousin.

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My much simpler ("sure, Mayor...") retcon was to make Peegee a "native" of the main 'verse by revealing Peegee was there since near the beginning as Supergirl, with the Silver/Bronze Age Supergirl's adventures as her "early years", equivalent to Dick always being the first Robin even if we are WELL past that era in the "present" - only to then show Peegee was actually from another 'verse all this time (she didn't just leave Krypton, she accidentally broke physics and went into the main 'verse) when it turns out the actually-native Kara pops up, and is around Tim's generation's age. Otherwise, wring out the expected drama from this revelation, but have Peegee give her native counterpart her blessing and they become fast friends/sisters a la Dick and Tim.
 
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@Mayor Cody Travers I love everything you said, except the Danvers. I’ve always thought the idea of Lois and Clark getting a “unplanned” kid from the stars as the impetus for realizing they both want one of their own.

Earth 2 had Kara raised by Lois and Clark, I think that’s the way to do it. “Danvers” is a cover name cooked up by fake ID expert Batman to explain Clark getting custody over his “niece.”

To complete the mirror, grumpy Batman with his brother/son Dick who’s practically a little Clark then you got smug and happy Superman with his moody cousin/daughter who ideally starts like her N52 self.

Now she’s only Lois and Clark’s legal custody for two or so years but it plants the idea. During that time Kara grows in to her various characterizations.

Dick grows up, gets the Titans as his team, becomes Nightwing.

Kara grows up and becomes Power Girl, because Clark’s shadow is all-consuming. Like her cousin, is a bit more of a solo act……. just with Jimmy as the Lois equivalent, to the confusion of Clark due to the weird family dynamics, his older cousin, who he is now older than by almost twenty years, who he is legally the uncle of, who he became a surrogate father figure to is now with Jimmy, who is a weird little brother figure.

I’d argue Kara getting her goofier personality should be a tradeoff for Clark getting more and more Golden Age as he gets older. Kara, as Power Girl lets the Silver Age silly exist in the same setting because the multiverse is gay and it being removed was another positive thing from the Post-Crisis era.

Boom, Supergirl fixed as a character, Power Girl fixed while the Earth 2 origin is canonized, that Val-Zod shit goes to hell and the El line is kept pure and the sidekicks progress normally.
 
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