DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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Solomon Bundy said:
The original Timothy Truman Hawkworld mini is available as a trade, I like that one but some may find it's post-Watchmen 80s grittyness a turn off. The Katar/Shayera relationship was best in the Truman/Ostrander Hawkworld incarnation.
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A collection with that and the ongoing is one of my most anticipated DC Finest books that we'll get someday, but with my luck we won't get it until they've already started collecting New52 books in that line.

Speaking of that, the DC Finest line and the way they've been collecting those is the single positive thing DC has done since I was a teenager I will praise them for. Ive been telling people forever they needed someone to go into their collected editions department and just fix it because those people are incompetent.

We havent gotten to a whole lot of stuff I want quite yet, but I'm finally getting my favorite era of Batman collected properly, Balent Catwoman & Peter David Supergirl is getting fully collected, we're finally getting 70s Superman, and more old school Kal-El Superboy, I have hope we'll finally get good Conner Kent collections and they're all like 600 pages for a reasonable price. Feels good even if it is only shit from 20 years ago or before I was even born there is to get excited about from DC.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
Sad to report that Lynda Carter was.....incredibly wasted for her Archive of American Television interview.

I know she has struggled with alcoholism in the past. Hope this is just a minor mistake on her part.
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The Museum of Television YouTube channel is funny because some of the people they interview are clearly smashed. Gary Shandling was an all-timer.

In fairness to Carter, most actresses are half in the bag, I don't think they cope well with the joblessness.
el bandito loco said:
still the best on screen Joker we've ever gotten
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I’ve never really been satisfied by any movie betrayals of famous comic book villains. You kinda just have to take them as they are and pick out moments that work.

Nobody ever nails the Joker voice. Try too hard and suddenly you sound like a pedophile.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
I’ve never really been satisfied by any movie betrayals of famous comic book villains. You kinda just have to take them as they are and pick out moments that work.

Nobody ever nails the Joker voice. Try too hard and suddenly you sound like a pedophile.
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It's probably my age but I always mentally read the Joker as Nicholson. Even when it's in extremely inappropriate stories. and it usually makes me laugh harder when something is funny because it's more absurd that Jack Nicholson is saying it. I dont have this with a ton of comic characters, most all have some sort of internal voice I give them but there's not many I have that are actors that played them, outside of something obvious like if I read a star wars comic I "hear" Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford.

but I do find it a really funny exercise to actively try to read them as specific ones. I read a string of 70s Batman once and tried to mentally get Heath Ledger's Joker in my head when reading those stories and that was entertaining. but Nicholson is one of those ones I do unintentionally unless I try not to. I read some silver age World's Finest story once where Joker and Lex Luthor are robbing a building, only for Superman and Batman to show up to stop them and Joker pulled out a deed to the building saying they bought it, to rob their own stuff and it's legal, and that ACKTUALLY the heroes are harassing them and I read Nicholson saying it and it was surreal and I think I enjoyed it more because of it.

It's odd because although he's great in that movie, I dont altogether think that's a fitting voice for the character, but that's how I read it.
 
el bandito loco said:
It's probably my age but I always mentally read the Joker as Nicholson. Even when it's in extremely inappropriate stories. and it usually makes me laugh harder when something is funny because it's more absurd that Jack Nicholson is saying it. I dont have this with a ton of comic characters, most all have some sort of internal voice I give them but there's not many I have that are actors that played them, outside of something obvious like if I read a star wars comic I "hear" Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford.

but I do find it a really funny exercise to actively try to read them as specific ones. I read a string of 70s Batman once and tried to mentally get Heath Ledger's Joker in my head when reading those stories and that was entertaining. but Nicholson is one of those ones I do unintentionally unless I try not to. I read some silver age World's Finest story once where Joker and Lex Luthor are robbing a building, only for Superman and Batman to show up to stop them and Joker pulled out a deed to the building saying they bought it, to rob their own stuff and it's legal, and that ACKTUALLY the heroes are harassing them and I read Nicholson saying it and it was surreal and I think I enjoyed it more because of it.

It's odd because although he's great in that movie, I dont altogether think that's a fitting voice for the character, but that's how I read it.
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I do like that thing every Movie Joker does where someone calls him "crazy" and he stops doing the clown voice and gets super-serious.

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Speaking of Lex, Hackman was a very ‘70s thing. Every villain back then looked like he hosted a game show. I give him a pass because he's super smug, and I love the dumb smoking jackets and pinky rings.
 
el bandito loco said:
I read a string of 70s Batman once and tried to mentally get Heath Ledger's Joker in my head when reading those stories and that was entertaining. but Nicholson is one of those ones I do unintentionally unless I try not to. I read some silver age World's Finest story once where Joker and Lex Luthor are robbing a building, only for Superman and Batman to show up to stop them and Joker pulled out a deed to the building saying they bought it, to rob their own stuff and it's legal, and that ACKTUALLY the heroes are harassing them and I read Nicholson saying it and it was surreal and I think I enjoyed it more because of it.
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Perhaps having Cesar Romero's Joker would have been more appropriate.

 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Unironically my favourite sort of Joker. If you can't imagine your Joker looking up a bizarre loop hole to abuse so he can annoy Batman with technically not doing a mundane as fuck crime, I don't wanna hear about him.
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Remember that scene in "The Joker is Wild" with Caesar shouting some prayer to ‘all that’s funny,’ like humor was some kind of God or something? :story:

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The Nothingness said:
Perhaps having Cesar Romero's Joker would have been more appropriate.

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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Unironically my favourite sort of Joker. If you can't imagine your Joker looking up a bizarre loop hole to abuse so he can annoy Batman with technically not doing a mundane as fuck crime, I don't wanna hear about him.
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Captain Syrup said:
Remember that scene in "The Joker is Wild" with Caesar shouting some prayer to ‘all that’s funny,’ like humor was some kind of God or something? :story:

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The funny thing is Romero is actually my favorite Joker. but I hear Nicholson anytime I see an illustration of a clown fighting Batman. The period of time as a preschooler I watched that damn '89 tape every day really did a number on me. The funniest odd example of that odd association I can remember is reading the new 52 Scott Snyder Death of the Family Joker stuff as Nicholson is very fucking weird.

My internal Batman isn’t really anybody but he's got more Adam West in him than he does anyone else. I know a lot of people can't help but read Conroy, and certain lines come across like him to me, but sometimes I'll read a generic Batman dialogue and it's got that goofy Adam West cadence in how I read it.

now that I think about it, this is probably why I'll never be happy with a comic book movie, if I made a Batman movie it would have a guy doing an Adam West impression fighting a dude doing a Nicholson impression with a script that's a cross between se7en and pee wee's big adventure
 
el bandito loco said:
My internal Batman isn’t really anybody but he's got more Adam West in him than he does anyone else.
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Keaton for me. The new Batmen are much too shouty. I did like Ben Affleck up until the Martha moment, I thought he was going in a more quiet direction.

Someone else described Adam West as an overgrown kid with delusions of being a crime fighter. It's a valid Batman but it's miles away from how I imagine Batman.

 
Captain Syrup said:
Keaton for me. The new Batmen are much too shouty. I did like Ben Affleck up until the Martha moment, I thought he was going in a more quiet direction.

Someone else described Adam West as an overgrown kid with delusions of being a crime fighter. It's a valid Batman but it's miles away from how I imagine Batman.

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I dont know how to describe it exactly but with me I sort of read Batman dialogue to have that goofy self serious delivery of Adam West but it's not exactly that voice, if that makes any sense. My dad told me years ago when I was a kid that he always reads Batman as Eastwood in the first Dirty Harry, which makes perfect sense to me but not what I get myself at all.

It's like as a kid I really liked the Carl Barks and Don Rosa Donald/Scrooge McDuck comics, but I sure as fuck never heard Donald Duck's actual voice when I read those comics even if I did consider them to be the same character.

My read on Superman goes from somewhere in the Dean Cain or Tom Welling department as Clark into the guy from the Fleischer cartoons and the Super Powers collection videos once he's got the cape on.
 
Oh, we doing internal voice casting now? It’s funny, but I don’t know that I have a definitive anyone for DC. I loved the DCAU, but that’s a very specific incarnation of every hero. I had fan casted Tim Daly as Superman in my head ever since Wings, but he became this very specific angry Superman in TAS. Makes it hard to slot him into more chipper takes. For Marvel, it always comes down to the original MvC game. I have to be able to envision the character shouting out a dumb super move. I hear “Berserker Barrage,” and that’s just Wolverine to me. Maybe if DC had had a universe-wide fighting game that caught on, it would be different.
 
el bandito loco said:
My read on Superman goes from somewhere in the Dean Cain or Tom Welling department as Clark into the guy from the Fleischer cartoons and the Super Powers collection videos once he's got the cape on.
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Not a fan of Dean Cain as Superman (his Clark was funny, I’ll give him that) , but Teri was the best Lois outside the more serious versions. She has to walk a tightrope where she's sending corrupt senators to the slammer, but also she is willing to lie, trespass, steal, or get stabbed.

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Normally Lois in movies feels like she’s just out there hustling for herself while Clark does all the real muckraking. The jokes about her misspellings and "bloodletting" are cute until you realize she’s written as a punching bag for every Times journalist.
 
el bandito loco said:
My internal Batman isn’t really anybody but he's got more Adam West in him than he does anyone else. I know a lot of people can't help but read Conroy, and certain lines come across like him to me, but sometimes I'll read a generic Batman dialogue and it's got that goofy Adam West cadence in how I read it.
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I like Conroy, but for a controversial take, I think Rino Ramano is my go-to voice for Batman. He feels the most well-rounded being in a show that embraced both the darker Batman and the more 60s camp. Has a more youthful, optimistic voice, yet low enough to be taken seriously. Heavily underrated in the voice department for giving an otherwise stellar performance, even if 2004 isn’t everyone’s favorite take.

I get Adam West though. For all the silliness, he has a very stern dad voice. He is the Batman that sits Robin down to teach like a father, an element of Batman severely lacking in most incarnations. Really only Brave and The Bold and partially 2004 have that element.


strumpets exeunt said:
Oh, we doing internal voice casting now? It’s funny, but I don’t know that I have a definitive anyone for DC. I loved the DCAU, but that’s a very specific incarnation of every hero. I had fan casted Tim Daly as Superman in my head ever since Wings, but he became this very specific angry Superman in TAS. Makes it hard to slot him into more chipper takes.
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If it isn't the DCAU, I would argue LEGO has the best overall cast to use as standard DC voices. The cast is forced to essentially play out a more silly DCAU, so they also have a bit of that more well-rounded appeal. Even the returning voices from the DCAU and CW have that unique appeal where they feel a little more personified by LEGO antics.

Travis Willingham is pretty fun Superman that doesn't get much credit from these games. I would even argue that as much as people criticize it, LEGO Batman 2 easily has one of the most memorable Joker voices with Christopher Corey Smith. It is a strange off-brand Mark Hamill, but a memorable off-brand Mark Hamill.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Unironically my favourite sort of Joker. If you can't imagine your Joker looking up a bizarre loop hole to abuse so he can annoy Batman with technically not doing a mundane as fuck crime, I don't wanna hear about him.
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The best part is that the first part of the video was about Joker "teaching" kids to do fuck-all and depend on payment of third parties (in the form of money that shows up out of nowhere) so that they fail school and are forced to become criminals, once they realize they can't work at any job, kek.
A. West Bats was the best.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
A. West Bats was the best.
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He is, but he's so distinct from any other Batman that you really have to have two categories:

Winner of the best non-Adam West Batman category: subject to debate.
Winner of the best Adam West Batman category: Adam West.

I think the question is hard to separate from the media the actor appears in. For example, I like Michael Keaton as an actor but I don't like the Burton movies that much. I did when I was a kid, I don't now. Conversely whilst I do like Robert Pattinson in the role and think he's good, a large part of him being my favourite Batman (in the non-Adam West category) is that I really, really like the movie he's in and the director's interpretation of Batman.

Likewise, whoever did the voice for B:tBatB has a very good voice for the character - deep, resonant. Honestly sounds like a big guy. But he's in a version that is slightly hard to compare like to like with Kevin Conroy in B:TAS.

For all that the show Titans was dreadful, a shout out to the overlooked Ian Glenn who played an ageing Bruce Wayne very effectively I thought.
 
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