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Once apon a time this forum used to be dedicated only to discussing the antics of Christine Wesley(?) Chandler, with an off-topic board for people to post their horrible selfies and autistic textwall ramblings about how empty and unfulfilling their lives were. Dear Leader eventually noticed that the people who came here had a strong interest in talking about other classic lolcows, and in his infinite wisdom he officially expanded the scope of the board to include them, opening subforums like Lolcows, Community Watch, and even rebranding the site as Kiwi Farms. Some massively autistic people rebelled at this, because they are mentally unequipped to cope with changes, but for the most part it was a roaring success.
Then we expanded scope further, but this time it crept up quietly and unofficially. We expanded into "Internet Drama and Happenings" around the time of the Allison Rapp/Maria Mint get and the Fine Brothers attempt at trademarking reaction videos. Dear Leader made some lengthy effortposts if I recall right, outlining his desire for Kiwi Farms to be a cool happening place for people to go to get the latest update on Internet Drama.
This means there are a bunch of people we want to talk about who are Internet Famous, but absolutely not lolcows. I'm talking about people like Boogie, Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, Sargon of Akkad, Mister Metokur, Emily Youcis, Pewdipie, Phillip de Franco. People who are famous on the internet, but who are clearly not lolcows. Once apon a time, making a thread on of any of these people would have resulted in the thread being quickly closed on the grounds of 'not a lolcow'. Nowadays, these threads are permitted because people want to talk about them, and Kiwi Farms is a good place to talk about dumb internet culture stuff and drama. Unfortunately, their threads are still in the lolcow subforum, where they're designated 'lolcows'.
For a good example of the shift in attitude over time, read the first page of this thread.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sh0eonhead.22394/
This was an obvious shit thread, that got closed down for being shit. Now it's being taken seriously. I realise BP is a shit board full of shit, and not neccessarily restricted to lolcows ; but Sargon and Anita now have a lolcow threads which are being taken seriously, and if I were to make a ShoeOnHead thread in lolcow general for the first time today, it would undoubtedly be accepted.
The situation as it stands now, is that there are tons of threads in the Lolcow subforum about people who are internet famous, but not lolcows. This comes with a few problems.
1 - People seeing the thread for the first time have the understandable desire to post 'this person is not a lolcow' (because they aren't one). The person who posted the thread and the people who want to discuss the subject of it will invariably argue that they are in fact a lolcow ; not neccessarily because they believe it, but because the thread will be shut down if "not a lolcow" ends up the consensus.
2 - Hotpocket cucks are getting tired of cleaning up arguments about whether or not the person is a lolcow, because the person is clearly not a lolcow but we're stuck in a position where we need to insist that they are or the thread will be closed.
3 - The usual result of such arguments is "If you don't think this person is a lolcow, don't post here", which is a terrible fucking precedent to set. "Only post if you agree" culture is a cancerous blight on all internet discussion, and one of the major virtues of Kiwi Farms is that it at least attempts to push back against this kind of mindset from getting too entrenched. Forcing people to accept that Anita Sarkeesian is a lolcow before inviting them to post what they think about Anita Sarkeesian leads to a cultcow thread made up of nothing but the same dozen people being incessantly angry that Antia Sarkeesian exists.
4 - /cow/ makes fun of us for going to extreme mental gymnastics trying to claim these people are lolcows. I realise Dear Leader no longer bases all his decisions on what random idiots from cow are saying, but in this case they have a point. Stretching the definition of 'lolcow' to include political pundits that people disagree with is disingenuous and embarrassing, and is quite possibly the only legitimate complaint cow can level against Kiwi Farms (except for when they point out that Null raped a female forum member and didn't cum)
At the end of the day, I think everything is fine. The only problem is one of nomenclature ; we're in a position where it's expected that we insist random internet faggots are lolcows so we can discuss them, and I think we should just give on that and admit "Yes, we discuss random internet faggots who are not lolcows also". I can think of two possible solutions ;
1 - Create a "Internet Famous" subforum and move all the obvious not-a-lolcows there, probably with their own set of tags like "Cuck" and "Pissbaby" for left and right wing pundits, and maybe "Internet Faggot" for anyone who's just a regular faggot on the internet.
2 - Rename the lolcows subforum to "Individuals" and stop pretending we only talk about lolcows.
Then we expanded scope further, but this time it crept up quietly and unofficially. We expanded into "Internet Drama and Happenings" around the time of the Allison Rapp/Maria Mint get and the Fine Brothers attempt at trademarking reaction videos. Dear Leader made some lengthy effortposts if I recall right, outlining his desire for Kiwi Farms to be a cool happening place for people to go to get the latest update on Internet Drama.
This means there are a bunch of people we want to talk about who are Internet Famous, but absolutely not lolcows. I'm talking about people like Boogie, Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, Sargon of Akkad, Mister Metokur, Emily Youcis, Pewdipie, Phillip de Franco. People who are famous on the internet, but who are clearly not lolcows. Once apon a time, making a thread on of any of these people would have resulted in the thread being quickly closed on the grounds of 'not a lolcow'. Nowadays, these threads are permitted because people want to talk about them, and Kiwi Farms is a good place to talk about dumb internet culture stuff and drama. Unfortunately, their threads are still in the lolcow subforum, where they're designated 'lolcows'.
For a good example of the shift in attitude over time, read the first page of this thread.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sh0eonhead.22394/
This was an obvious shit thread, that got closed down for being shit. Now it's being taken seriously. I realise BP is a shit board full of shit, and not neccessarily restricted to lolcows ; but Sargon and Anita now have a lolcow threads which are being taken seriously, and if I were to make a ShoeOnHead thread in lolcow general for the first time today, it would undoubtedly be accepted.
The situation as it stands now, is that there are tons of threads in the Lolcow subforum about people who are internet famous, but not lolcows. This comes with a few problems.
1 - People seeing the thread for the first time have the understandable desire to post 'this person is not a lolcow' (because they aren't one). The person who posted the thread and the people who want to discuss the subject of it will invariably argue that they are in fact a lolcow ; not neccessarily because they believe it, but because the thread will be shut down if "not a lolcow" ends up the consensus.
2 - Hotpocket cucks are getting tired of cleaning up arguments about whether or not the person is a lolcow, because the person is clearly not a lolcow but we're stuck in a position where we need to insist that they are or the thread will be closed.
3 - The usual result of such arguments is "If you don't think this person is a lolcow, don't post here", which is a terrible fucking precedent to set. "Only post if you agree" culture is a cancerous blight on all internet discussion, and one of the major virtues of Kiwi Farms is that it at least attempts to push back against this kind of mindset from getting too entrenched. Forcing people to accept that Anita Sarkeesian is a lolcow before inviting them to post what they think about Anita Sarkeesian leads to a cultcow thread made up of nothing but the same dozen people being incessantly angry that Antia Sarkeesian exists.
4 - /cow/ makes fun of us for going to extreme mental gymnastics trying to claim these people are lolcows. I realise Dear Leader no longer bases all his decisions on what random idiots from cow are saying, but in this case they have a point. Stretching the definition of 'lolcow' to include political pundits that people disagree with is disingenuous and embarrassing, and is quite possibly the only legitimate complaint cow can level against Kiwi Farms (except for when they point out that Null raped a female forum member and didn't cum)
At the end of the day, I think everything is fine. The only problem is one of nomenclature ; we're in a position where it's expected that we insist random internet faggots are lolcows so we can discuss them, and I think we should just give on that and admit "Yes, we discuss random internet faggots who are not lolcows also". I can think of two possible solutions ;
1 - Create a "Internet Famous" subforum and move all the obvious not-a-lolcows there, probably with their own set of tags like "Cuck" and "Pissbaby" for left and right wing pundits, and maybe "Internet Faggot" for anyone who's just a regular faggot on the internet.
2 - Rename the lolcows subforum to "Individuals" and stop pretending we only talk about lolcows.
