Death.

No matter what you believe, we're all ducks at some game in a midway, that some kid with with unlimited baseballs is playing, knocking down the ducks. Now sometimes and often he misses, but the duck are constantly moving round and once the machine puts you into the line of fire it's hit or miss. But everyone will be knocked down eventually. You can dodge, but that only makes him try harder.
That kid, is death, if you hadn't figured it out.
 
I normally don't think about death. I will know what to do when I get there. Thinking about it makes me terrified, yes.

"It's not the end that I fear with each breath, it's life that scares me to death"

Nobody will get to see the very end of our tale, just like nobody could remember the very beginning. From the moment life came to be till the time it finally gets snuffed out completely, we remember only a small period of time and the most impetuous events.

I like how the planet seems to behave just like any other living being, to a degree: it only now begins to store its memories. Its brain cells (that would be us, I think) grow more resilient and more capable over time.

It seems like in the end, nothing we'll ever do will matter. We could nuke ourselves to death, but the tide cannot be turned. The need to be loved which drives all of our actions cannot be rooted out, which is why there is no cure for depression. The programming seems almost flawless. There is no way to escape or change it. We will never truly transcend ourselves by learning exactly how our brain works, because that would make us, by nature, something else entirely, something more than human, and therefore possess even more advanced brains. There is no true freedom, or true free will, but the illusion of having one is more than enough anyway. We are amazing automatons, the most lifelike robots there are.

So, are the wizards who came to similar conclusions superhuman?
"Death is meaningless, making life the same."

No. They have given up. They possess forbidden wisdom. Or that's what they think, anyway, which really is all that matters. They have seen through the greater meaninglessness of it all. So they choose to wither and fade away.

The only winning move is not to play. Living is suffering. But we are built for losing time and time again, until we finally fail for the last time and die. We call them losers because they are missing out.

I'm talking as if I have it all figured out. But there is one peculiar piece that doesn't seem to fit. I used to do dissociative drugs. Once, I took quite a large dose. Halfway through the drug-induced trip, my heart started pounding and I started having peculiar hallucinations. My consciousness slipping away from me, I walked to the flatmate's room and asked him to call an ambulance. I was terrified. I desperately clinged to remaining "there".

But, right there and then, I had the most unsettling case of deja vu: I recalled the dream of asking the flatmate to call an ambulance, and riding said ambulance to hospital with a paramedic scolding me for my stupidity. I had had that dream a few months before.

That was too unreal to be true, and I feel increasingly nauseous, my heart rate rising as I write these very words and relive the memories.

The dream came true somehow; I remembered some of the things my flatmate, the paramedics and I said in the dream and they matched perfectly with real life, word for word.

I don't know what is true or false. I know, however, that lending any credence to that experience makes me a lunatic. I was not sober back then, for goodness' sake!

But that deja vu felt too real for comfort. If I am to trust myself, I would have to embrace the madness and believe I actually had an extremely accurate prophetic dream. But the implications of such a dream being true are almost too terrifying to ponder.

I don't think there exists anything after death. You cease to experience anything, especially yourself.

There are some things that just cannot be proven. I'd say let's stay sane and not think about them too much.

"How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?"
 
Gosh there are a lot of breathtaking replies in this thread.

I, too, believe there is nothing after death, and I'm glad there isn't. Death is as natural as birth, I think. We're all designed to die, it's a part of our existence. I'm also glad I'll get to rest at some point. I'm not even afraid of dying, because I hear your body releases all of it's endorphins before you die anyway. People really are designed to die.

I'm more concerned about the second death, being forgotten. It reminds me of an art piece someone did, I forget the artists' website, but what he did was he set up a computer with a program that would say "I am (random number), I will exist for as long as you remember me" or something to that amount. It would re-generate the sentence every few seconds.

It's a pipe dream most likely (not having access to a supercomputer doesn't help either), but I wanted to create a strong AI to act as my successor. It would live forever, and remember me forever. This would make me pretty happy, because it's also the only way I can see myself reproducing. I don't want to make just some kid who'll barely remember me and then die too, I want to create a perfect being.

But, personally, I don't mind dying. I'm totally ready to die, and even be forgotten. My problem is I just like living. I want to live for as long as I want, not for 60 or 80 more years. I want to choose when I die.

I went through existential bullshit when I was a kid too. Got really depressed, started not caring about life, kinda begged for a near-death experience to snap me out of it. I never got one, but I did get over myself and started to appreciate life. It's funny how insecure people are. A lot of them don't appreciate life at all, but go so far as threaten their lives and they'll freak out.

I had a lot to say before reading this thread, but after reading it this is all I can add to it without repeating things. This is a really awesome thread.
 
I try not to think about death too much. I've had an existential crisis before (often from thinking too much about the universe and my consciousness), and I don't like it.
 
Death, to me, is such a waste. Had we not needed to experience it, or perhaps were able to utilize a means to extend life far beyond the typical 80-100 years lived, individuals such as Albert Einstein could've continued making amazing contributions to fields that benefit us all.

I believe it is nothing to embrace and that in this modern, scientific age, we absolutely need to commit ourselves to extending life as far as possible. Cyronics is an important first step toward understanding the need for life extension, and I believe we'll live to see transhuman technology achieve all of these key ideals, and quite possibly transform society in the process.
 
I was put under for surgery when I was a teenager. I was conscious for a few seconds after the injection, and then I was gone. Completely, utterly gone. No dreams, nothing, just dark. Then I woke up, and was absolutely terrified of that nothingness, because I think that's probably what death is. An absence of time.

I really, really want to sugar coat it with la-dee-da bullshit about God and eternal life, but I would be lying to myself if I claimed I believed it.
 
KatsuKitty said:
Death, to me, is such a waste. Had we not needed to experience it, or perhaps were able to utilize a means to extend life far beyond the typical 80-100 years lived, individuals such as Albert Einstein could've continued making amazing contributions to fields that benefit us all.

I believe it is nothing to embrace and that in this modern, scientific age, we absolutely need to commit ourselves to extending life as far as possible. Cyronics is an important first step toward understanding the need for life extension, and I believe we'll live to see transhuman technology achieve all of these key ideals, and quite possibly transform society in the process.
Death is also an end.

Bare in mind Einstein also created a nuclear weapon and Nobel created dynamite. Opening the Pandora's box of immortality also includes that less scrupulous individuals also keep living.

There's a lot of really good stories about the tragedy of immortality. Highlander is a great movie for that reason.
 
Don't get me wrong, living longer would be great, and dying young is tragic, but there are a bunch of hazards you would face "being immortal". For one thing you would probably lose your mind, and months would become like days. Also there is the problem of, "what if my friends and family aren't given this magic solution?" I wouldn't want to outlive all my friends and family. Also I read somewhere that a consequence of living longer, is getting more exposure to natural radiation, that for a regular person is harmless, but being exposed for say 130 years would increase your chances of getting Cancer. Also if the technology to increase lifespan, to the point of near immortality, existed, they wouldn't just give it to everyone, otherwise our population problems would really increase, and earth could look something like the earth in the movie Elysium. Minus the robotic power armor, and spaceships of course. And a large amount of near immortal biengs, plus the fact that people will still be breeding, would equal an enormous drain on our resources. I don't think Earth could handle it, Hell, the pollution would increase as well. America already has difficulty handling the population it already has, imagine handling the issue of poverty, with such a large increase of people.
 
Cuddlebug said:
KatsuKitty said:
Death, to me, is such a waste. Had we not needed to experience it, or perhaps were able to utilize a means to extend life far beyond the typical 80-100 years lived, individuals such as Albert Einstein could've continued making amazing contributions to fields that benefit us all.

I believe it is nothing to embrace and that in this modern, scientific age, we absolutely need to commit ourselves to extending life as far as possible. Cyronics is an important first step toward understanding the need for life extension, and I believe we'll live to see transhuman technology achieve all of these key ideals, and quite possibly transform society in the process.

There's a lot of really good stories about the tragedy of immortality. Highlander is a great movie for that reason.

True, but the tragic aspect was also imagined, as no one knows what it's like for sure.
 
Holdek said:
True, but the tragic aspect was also imagined, as no one knows what it's like for sure.
In Highlander one of the most tragic aspects of the film was how his wife grew old and died while he stayed young.

Indeed in most fiction that explores immortality or just living longer than everyone else, a reoccurring trope with that is watching everyone you know die. A good example is the Green Mile where the main character lives longer than his wife and children, and lives the rest of his life in a retirement home alone.

I personally believe things are only as good as their inevitable end. This is true in storytelling as well as the things we do in life. As the saying goes, all good things must come to an end.

There's also hundreds of other problems I can think of that arise with permanent immortality for everyone. That includes things like if a person has a disorder they can never be rid of, if a person is brain dead, population growth would never stop and we would all starve. Etc. Immortality is as much of a curse as it is a blessing. Life and death are two absolutes, and both must exist for the other to continue. The cells in your body die specifically to give birth to better newer cells. Organisms die for other organisms to feast on. Etc.
 
My own death I'm not completely bothered by.

I'm more bothered and upset by the death of those around me, the people I care about most.
I'm not very good with death and have some unresolved issues about it, so I try not to think about it too much.

I've also come to doubt that there's an afterlife. Well, the certainty of one, anyway. There could be, there could not be.
 
caffeinated_wench said:
My own death I'm not completely bothered by.

I'm more bothered and upset by the death of those around me, the people I care about most.
I'm not very good with death and have some unresolved issues about it, so I try not to think about it too much.

I've also come to doubt that there's an afterlife. Well, the certainty of one, anyway. There could be, there could not be.

I think this just shows you're a caring person who's more concerned with loved ones then with yourself. :)

I don't personally believe there's an afterlife (I could be wrong and in that case jokes one me). It would be nice if there was one but I think the afterlife was invented because people don't like to think that their conciousness completely vanishes at the end. It's really hard to imagine 100% non existance. To me it's like trying to think about how big outer space is. Both deal with a scale of sorts that's hard to fathom.
 
Zim said:
caffeinated_wench said:
My own death I'm not completely bothered by.

I'm more bothered and upset by the death of those around me, the people I care about most.
I'm not very good with death and have some unresolved issues about it, so I try not to think about it too much.

I've also come to doubt that there's an afterlife. Well, the certainty of one, anyway. There could be, there could not be.

I think this just shows you're a caring person who's more concerned with loved ones then with yourself. :)

I don't personally believe there's an afterlife (I could be wrong and in that case jokes one me). It would be nice if there was one but I think the afterlife was invented because people don't like to think that their conciousness completely vanishes at the end. It's really hard to imagine 100% non existance. To me it's like trying to think about how big outer space is. Both deal with a scale of sorts that's hard to fathom.
I wouldn't say that. There's some selfishness in there.

I've come to have a rather cynical view of the concept of an afterlife, specifically how it's used. Then again, I tend to be negative in general.
It's essentially, in my opinion, used by some as a way to bribe you to act in a way that the religion deems fit or else you'll go to this bad place.
It feels like some of those who use it that way aren't being good people to be decent folks. They're doing it to get something out of it. If heaven does exist, it shouldn't be used like a bargaining chip to force people to be nice.

And we're all supposed to reunite in heaven... but according to the church I went to, you won't recognize each other. Ever. Why would I want to go to a place where I'll be reunited with the people I care about most only to be torn away from them forever again? That's cruel.

A less negative view would be like you said: that it's because people don't want to think that they'll disappear. They don't want to think that once they're dead, that's it. Everything they were ceases to be.

Now, it's still a possibility that an afterlife exists. It's not a concept that one can truly wrap one's head around. To be perfectly honest, I'm leaning towards there not actually being one (not that I can say that out loud where I live).
If it does, then I'll accept whatever fate lies in store for me after death.
If it doesn't, I'll accept that too. Even if there is no afterlife, that's no excuse to act like an asshole and not try to be a decent person.
 
KatsuKitty said:
Death, to me, is such a waste. Had we not needed to experience it, or perhaps were able to utilize a means to extend life far beyond the typical 80-100 years lived, individuals such as Albert Einstein could've continued making amazing contributions to fields that benefit us all.
I'd argue that this isn't true. One of the things that drives progress is turnover in the workforce and in academia and the new ideas that it brings. New ideas like those that Einstein or his successors introduced. Immortality seems like it would breed stagnation. Postponing death or slowing the process of aging would still allow people to make contributions for longer, but eventually they need to step aside and let someone else take over. Pretty sure it was Planck that talked about how new ideas don't become popular by convincing the opponents, but by waiting for them to die off.
 
We are all born and we all die. And I get how people would fear death, hell I used to fear it quite a bit. Everyone on this thread, everyone here, we'll all die one day. There's no denying it, there's no sugar coating it and science isn't ever going to make us immortal. We may prolong life, but never escape or eliminate death altogether. All we can do is embrace it as a fact as sure as the sun rising and going down.
 
Satan said:
We are all born and we all die. And I get how people would fear death, hell I used to fear it quite a bit. Everyone on this thread, everyone here, we'll all die one day. There's no denying it, there's no sugar coating it and science isn't ever going to make us immortal. We may prolong life, but never escape or eliminate death altogether. All we can do is embrace it as a fact as sure as the sun rising and going down.
True to that. Whether or not some of us believe in an afterlife or the possibility that we can achieve immortality, we have to accept that death is part of the natural cycle. We have to accept the fact that the reaper will come to us one day and say it's time to go. Regardless of how we feel about death, as some would say, we should try and live this life of ours to the fullest, accomplishing whatever is in our grasp.
 
Satan said:
We are all born and we all die. And I get how people would fear death, hell I used to fear it quite a bit. Everyone on this thread, everyone here, we'll all die one day. There's no denying it, there's no sugar coating it and science isn't ever going to make us immortal. We may prolong life, but never escape or eliminate death altogether. All we can do is embrace it as a fact as sure as the sun rising and going down.

Nice try Satan but you won't get my soul yet. :tomgirl:
 
If someone lived for hundreds of years, his or her brain would deteriorate, how would that threat be handled? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm legit asking.

Also you cant really be immortal, in a literal sense, because the sun will eventually die out, and earth will become unlivable.
 
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