Debate Alt-Right Retards

Very impressive. So you support [current liberal degeneracy - 10 years] vs [current liberal degeneracy - 20 years] as conservatives do. You must feel very enlightened.

It's better than whatever backwards medieval shithole of a society you seem to be in favor of.

I'll take free speech, civil liberties, and "degeneracy" over totalitarianism and puritanism any day of the week.

Doesn't matter if it's right-wing or left-wing, fascist or communist, Evangelical or Islamic, a boot on your neck is still a boot on your neck.

At this point, it seems like you're just being an edgy tryhard.
 
What would it take for you to be convinced that something other than ticking the box for the guy with the (R) beside his name might be justified, in order to ensure that your grandson is not an even more horrifying riff on Amazing Desmond- as will occur if conservativism continues to 'win', or are you an explicit antinatalist?
I'm not a conservative: if anything, I'm a Catholic techno-anarchist. I also think liberty, as opposed to the yoke of some jack-booted lunatic, is the ideal condition for the human being to thrive in. Since you are blatantly a jack-booted lunatic, this doesn't matter to you, since everything that isn't your ideology is The Enemy and must be destroyed.
I'll remind readers that under my interlocutor's preferred mode of government, basically every user of this site would be rounded up and punished.
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There will be federal red flag laws that make it illegal to own guns as a person who- like Randy- wants to raise their kids right within a decade at most (just in case there are still one or two states which haven't done the same at that point).
Comes off as laughably insincere, as virtually every single one of the ideologies you've listed as "ideal" ban the citizenry from having weapons outright, flat-out. For an argument seemingly aimed at the average gun-owner, asking them to choose between "severe restriction of gun rights" and "no gun rights (or for that matter any rights) at all" with the expectation that they will choose the latter is a bold move.
 
Comes off as laughably insincere, as virtually every single one of the ideologies you've listed as "ideal" ban the citizenry from having weapons outright, flat-out. For an argument seemingly aimed at the average gun-owner, asking them to choose between "severe restriction of gun rights" and "no gun rights (or for that matter any rights) at all" with the expectation that they will choose the latter is a bold move.
Just NRA talking points. As you'd know if you'd studied history, the Nazi party liberalized gun control laws. 18 yo Germans were allowed to buy pistols, as is not the case in occupied Ammurrica.
 
Just NRA talking points. As you'd know if you'd studied history, the Nazi party liberalized gun control laws. 18 yo Germans were allowed to buy pistols, as is not the case in occupied Ammurrica.
Come on, at least fact-check your claims while accusing me of failing to fact-check mine.
Also, invoking Politifact, who point out that the Nazi party seized the weapons of "undesirable classes" (regardless of the second-order argument over whether that made a difference) and trying to use that to argue that Nazis were actually pro gun-rights once again comes off as laughably insincere.
The 2nd Amendment enshrines gun ownership as a right that cannot be simply rescinded on a whim.
>inb4 "but criminals can't own guns, checkmate liberal!"
Being convicted of a crime requires due process and a trial, which makes it a lot more than just a "whim". Of course, the courts are Jewish or whatever and so don't count.
How about you answer the question I posed to Saint Mengele: what would be the level of proof needed to change your position on the idea that "modern Western democracy is so inherently corrupt and evil that it must be overthrown and replaced with a system that tightly regulates the words, actions, and beliefs of others?"
I'll tell you what I would need to endorse your position:
1. A solid, logical proof that restrictive authoritarianism is the best system to create individual meaning and self-actualization in a person's life.
2. A model of restrictive authoritarianism that is robust against the common failure modes of "vicious purity spiral that results in the State actively persecuting its own citizens for failing to conform to an idealized model of what a person should be" and "personality cult that implodes into civil war when the personality in question passes".
3. A clear path to implement this model that is robust against the common failure modes of revolutions in general.
 
1. "Murdered for their political beliefs". First, citation needed. Second, the idea that you would go "boo hoo, this man's rights were infringed on!" when, if your party was in power, there would have been no stand-off to be begin with because he and his wife would be shot dead on bar one is quite rich.
That's my point, and you knew that, you're just weaseling around it as you have done throughout this entire argument. I freely admit that National Socialism would take forceful action against its enemies, but you disingenuously pretend that the existing system and the conservatism that helps uphold it have some kind of moral superiority when they also take forceful action against dissidents. How is what the American state already does to those it dislikes any different, besides targeting decent white people instead of kikes and traitors?
he explicitly said"Go out and kill non-whites in the name of the White Race".
Citation needed
3. And who defines the race and what the race wants? Certainly not the people that make up the race. And tradition? The Nazi party dressed itself in the trappings of tradition, but rejected most traditional German positions outright, including encouraging women to have children with anonymous men out of wedlock, eroding the influence of the Church in the public sphere, and obsessively controlling virtually every aspect of public and private life to a degree that even the most tyrannical and paranoid noble could scarcely have dreamed of. The real oath of National Socialism is "For tradition- until Tradition threatens our stranglehold on the People." The ideology of National Socialism is anti-human on first principles, because it holds free thought, free expression, and free action as total anathema.
The race is the white race. What most white people want, when freed from Jewish capitalist propaganda, is to be allowed to exist, have opportunities, form healthy families and be free from debt slavery - and you can say "well here are examples of National Socialism disregarding tradition" but that doesn't actually refute my point, that more tradition is preserved by authoritarian nationalist ideology, particularly National Socialism, than is preserved by conservatism. Conservatism only exists to preserve the standing order as established by those who actually changed it with proactive measures, which is why it's a toothless, gutless ideology.
4. I tried to effortpost because this is DT now and I decided to try and take your ideas seriously.
Looks more like you got butthurt and couldn't bear to leave the argument you claimed wasn't happening to me, but ok lmfao
if anything, I'm a Catholic techno-anarchist
As if you actually typed this out with a straight face :story:
I'll point this out: what would it take for you to be convinced that deliberate terrorism in an attempt to plunge the entire West into anarchy in the hopes that a white supremacist authoritarian state will rise from the ashes is wrong?
For the government to implement policies that preserved the white race, provided opportunity for white workers, deported non-whites, and cracked down on the moral degeneracy in the west legally. This is never going to happen, largely because of the cowardice of conservatives, so it's a moot point.

So what would it take for you to be convinced that conservatism has completely failed to conserve anything save for a few abstract principles that conservatives themselves only pretend to care about as a means to excuse their cowardice and inaction? You know, besides the myriad examples you've refused to acknowledge in this thread?
 
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lol this again. The nazis were pro-gun rights the same way they were pro-union. If it was THEIR guys with the guns it was fine otherwise fuck off to Auschwitz.

I'm not a conservative: if anything, I'm a Catholic techno-anarchist.
Papist scum.

Isn't it odd that conservatives are pushing for Red Flag laws that allow that right to be rescinded on a whim, then?
Trump's not a conservative nor are his positions the end all be all of what an American should be or even close to it.
 
You know, the funny thing about charlottesville is that they were just going to move the statue to a nearby park. They wanted to move it because the town wanted to rejuvinate itself by becoming a tourist locale and they thought a confederate statue right in front of what was going to be their tourist hotspot would be off putting.

So in a bid to stop that from happening entirely under the pretext of preserving history that was not at all under threat, the marchers pretty much crushed that small town's tourism venture and may have likely contributed to its terminal decline long term. Thanks Dick Spencer!
 
Alt-right conceptually meant "American conservative without religious baggage" for maybe a week. When the idea had staying power, it was slandered as being purely white nationalist by people like Clinton and immediately aborted before it had a chance to grow. I don't think anyone uses any umbrella term anymore because any named organization just gets called pedophile terrorists now.

Only a week? The term was used for years before Clinton decided to run again. You can do a google search with dates to confirm.

Ashkenazim Jews are our superiors and nothing less than a master race. I've seen many compelling arguments about this on /pol/, and frankly their higher IQs, level of literacy, focus on education, understanding of finance, self sufficiency, and incredible social intelligence and in-group preference are clear and objective proof that they deserve to run the world. Why do people hate them again, besides jealousy?

I have no idea why you would consider their in-group prefference a positive trait unless you are part of their group.

Would you prefer to be ruled by someone with strong in-group prefference that considers you part of their in-group or one that considers you part of a competing out-group?

And keep in mind that the higher average IQ doesn't translate to having more geniuses, due to the low number of jews in the world. There is no shortage of geniuses of other races who could be ruling.

But therein lies the problem, I feel like the only winning move in this game is to not play,
People in the soviet union felt the same. I don't see how anyone could believe that and not believe things are heading in the direction of the shitter.

Well maybe if one believed in a kind of benevolent dictatorship.
 
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Honestly Alt Right accelerationists are the right wing equivalent of middle class socialists who think they would survive the revolution.
Just a bunch of pasty basement dwelling LARPing pol tards who think they would come out on top in their little Civil War 2 fantasies.
I think the apex of this was when Richard Spencer said that White Nationalists could move en mass to like Wyoming or something and get a head start on their ethnostate.
Like they were modern day pioneers or voortrekkers or some shit like that.

>Act like Brown Shirts
>Be surprised when Mainstream movements you brownshirt for start disowning you
 
I have no idea why you would consider their in-group prefference a positive trait unless you are part of their group.

Would you prefer to be ruled by someone with strong in-group prefference that considers you part of their in-group or one that considers you part of a competing out-group?

And keep in mind that the higher average IQ doesn't translate to having more geniuses, due to the low number of jews in the world. There is no shortage of geniuses of other races who could be ruling.
/pol/ has taught me that people without high in-group preference are cucks. I want my rulers to be based and mitzvahpilled.
 
Makes sense. Israel is a vaguely democratic socialist ethnostate. They have always been the most based and redpilled ethnicity.

So I was a /new/ fag and I (by chance) met a bunch of fellow /new/ fags IRL when Pol started. The Nazi stuff was an evolution of the /new/ meme of Austrian economics
 
Boring bait to be honest. Step up your game.
If white people as a race were worth preserving they wouldn't be having problems in the first place.
I'm not a conservative: if anything, I'm a Catholic techno-anarchist. I also think liberty, as opposed to the yoke of some jack-booted lunatic, is the ideal condition for the human being to thrive in. Since you are blatantly a jack-booted lunatic, this doesn't matter to you, since everything that isn't your ideology is The Enemy and must be destroyed.
I'll remind readers that under my interlocutor's preferred mode of government, basically every user of this site would be rounded up and punished.
EDIT: Also this:

Comes off as laughably insincere, as virtually every single one of the ideologies you've listed as "ideal" ban the citizenry from having weapons outright, flat-out. For an argument seemingly aimed at the average gun-owner, asking them to choose between "severe restriction of gun rights" and "no gun rights (or for that matter any rights) at all" with the expectation that they will choose the latter is a bold move.
Catholic Anarchist? Is this a trick question like when Alex Jones claims he's a "Capitalist Anti-Globalist?"
 
If white people as a race were worth preserving they wouldn't be having problems in the first place.

Catholic Anarchist? Is this a trick question like when Alex Jones claims he's a "Capitalist Anti-Globalist?"
I believe that ultimately our society will become increasingly politically decentralized, culminating in an extreme form of direct democracy wherein the will of the masses can be directly sourced at any point through polling and smart devices and policy can be instantiated based on iterated polling to better reflect the will of the people.
I also believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah and that living by his teachings grants salvation. I consider myself Catholic because I was raised in the Church, am confirmed, and still attend Mass, but I do not think the Church itself is a strict necessity, merely a useful tool to help place people on the right path.
I wanted to simplify what I was talking about as best as I could because this thread isn't about my political and religious beliefs.
 
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