Debate @Get the rope Macaulay! on whether or not laws against child exploitation will harm Kiwi Farms

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The 48 hour clock is a fucking joke.
Probably for a massive website like Facebook, but a smaller one may be more manageable, I assume.

I just wonder how they legally define nonconsensual, like if any random pornstar can retroactively claim sharing their material is nonconsensual.
 
Only pornographic pictures no?
"Intimate" as they say.
Looks like it's defined in 15 U.S.C. § 6851(a)(5).
In that section an “intimate visual depiction” is defined as:
  • Nudity: any image that shows “the uncovered genitals, pubic area, anus, or post-pubescent female nipple” of an identifiable person
  • Sex-fluid content: any image showing the display or transfer of bodily sexual fluids on, from, or involving an identifiable person
  • Sex acts: any image of an identifiable person “engaging in sexually-explicit conduct” (the term borrows the full sex-act list from 18 U.S.C. § 2256)
  • Public-place exception: a nude shot taken in public is covered only if the individual did not voluntarily expose themselves or consent to the sexual act in that setting.

Looks clear enough to me. Also, it's not 2 am, so I am thinking a little more clearly. I don't think it's that bad. This is because I didn't realize only the victim could file - it's not like random faggots could use someone else's leaks; faggots can still use their own.

Only the actual victim (or an authorized proxy) can file such a notice, and, only for something that is "intimate" (read: sexual) per the code above. So it looks now to literally just be for revenge porn. Someone with leaked nudes could post their own leaked nudes to a site to then report it to try to mess with them, sure. Which means KF will probably have to deal with this sometime soon.

What's potentially legally interesting is if there were (for instance) OnlyFans leaks, and this law was used, because it meets § 6851’s “non-consensual distribution” element. This is interesting because DMCA notices already apply for the copyright holder. This act now lets the performer act directly. In other words, a performer can swear that pirated commercial media (yanno, normal porn) was published without her consent if the copyright holder didn't transfer it. In other words, consent to create and give rights to a particular entity is not consent to publish elsewhere unless the copyright/IP holder then legally transferred it. But the performer has a right, in this case.

This means porn sites that steal from other porn sites and leakers are potentially in for a world of hurt, or a world of offshoring.

This also means Kelly Wang memes might become illegal, roflmao.

lol

tl;dr - actual revenge porn victims and their lawyers/parents have teeth; unintentionally? anyone distributing adult commercial legal porn without rights is at risk of DMCA *AND* Take-It-Down. So, Null probably has to impose some rules about porn stars, only fans, various other leakers, etc very soon.
 
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tl;dr - actual revenge porn victims and their lawyers/parents have teeth; unintentionally? anyone distributing adult commercial legal porn without rights is at risk of DMCA *AND* Take-It-Down. So, Null probably has to impose some rules about porn stars, only fans, various other leakers, etc very soon.
Bad piece of legislation here's the thing you don't want revenge porn to happen to you maybe maybe just in general it's a bad idea to said nude pictures of yourself to anybody.
Just in general it's also a bad idea to let people film you why are you having intimacy these were just things that were generally understood when I was younger and I'm really not that old
 
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Bad piece of legislation here's the thing you don't want revenge porn to happen to you maybe maybe just in general it's a bad idea to said nude pictures of yourself to anybody.
Just in general it's also a bad idea to let people film you why are you having intimacy these were just things that were generally understood when I was younger and I'm really not that old
Can't say I feel bad for people who do that stuff. The only exception might be married couples. "But what about divorced people?" Don't get divorced, no-fault divorce shouldn't be a thing.
 
Can't say I feel bad for people who do that stuff. The only exception might be married couples. "But what about divorced people?" Don't get divorced, no-fault divorce shouldn't be a thing.
This website is the perfect encapsulation of why you should never film anything that you don't want other people to see of you you know if you are worried about what you are doing being weird and considered abnormal probably stop it and get some help
 
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The Take It Down act, which is a law regarding child exploitation and especially revenge porn and ai generated porn, has finally been signed into law.

despite what some of the more ignorant users in the politics thread feel, this will heavily fuck over kiwifarms, especially once you factor in all the AI generated content and revenge porn hosted on these servers, and i'm just talking about the destiny and Ethan Ralph threads.


I ask what solucion null chose to follo rule. Geoblock USA, or takedown.
 
My take on this (sorry for being so lengthy, but we're talking about an obviously unconstitutional law that will undoubtedly affect Kiwi Farms):
    1. The 48 hour rule is a fucking joke, as another user said. If I remember correctly, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act allows a substantially longer window for a content hoster to sit on a copyright claim, somewhere in the ballpark of 14 days. There's zero fucking way a content hoster is going to be able to remove a mountain of revenge porn that has accumulated since the dawn of the internet in that timeframe, perhaps ever.
    2. It's going to be a royal pain in the ass to train administrators/moderators to respond to these takedown orders and make consistent decisions on whether or not to take down the concerned content.
    3. The process of verifying whether or not a person issuing a takedown order is the depicted party is going to be very convoluted, especially with regards to older content. I speculate that this is going to make it a de facto "never refuse a takedown order, ever" kind of thing. Anyone who's been on YouTube knows that the DMCA gets abused all the time.
    4. The entire reason this law even hit the floor is because some high school kids fell victim to deepfake porn. Elliston Berry was 14 at the time, a minor; there was already a legal avenue to prosecute the producers under federal obscenity law (18 U.S.C. § 1466A, under the PROTECT Act). You can't bring back animated child pornography from another country (nor should you be able to do so, you sick fuck), but you can produce it at home? That is unbelievably inconsistent, not to mention immoral.
    5. I have to point out the glaring inconsistency in that the law says you can't publish pornographic content of, say, a 17yo girl, yet Ted Cruz's very own home state of Texas says a 17yo girl can consent to sex. If Cruz is so mortified that teens fell victim to deepfake porn, why isn't he getting on the horn to correct Texas's obviously immoral law that sets the age of consent too low? I suspect this was an act of political theater to make himself look good.
    6. The fact they wrote this to take effect immediately upon signature is absolute bullshit too. This factors into points 1 and 2. There's zero ability for content hosters to prepare for this dogshit law because no preparation period has been offered.
    7. If this law had been written to apply only to depictions of minors, it would obviously be constitutional. Because it extends to adults as well and makes no distinction between fair-use content and others, it's obviously unconstitutional. We'll see if the federal courts come to the same conclusion as I, but based on what's been happening with gun rights since 1934, I'm not optimistic.
In summary: I support this law with regards to prohibiting deepfake and revenge pornography of minors, but I oppose it with regards to prohibiting that of adults with near-zero exceptions. That second part will harm Kiwi Farms. As I pointed out earlier, it also looks like an act of political theater.
 
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If this law had been written to apply only to depictions of minors, it would obviously be constitutional. Because it extends to adults as well and makes no distinction between fair-use content and others, it's obviously unconstitutional. We'll see if the federal courts come to the same conclusion as I, but based on what's been happening with gun rights since 1934, I'm not optimistic.
Please elaborate on how making AI porn of adults or distributing revenge porn falls under fair use.
 
Please elaborate on how making AI porn of adults or distributing revenge porn falls under fair use.
The definition of revenge porn would obviously include any nonconsensual depiction of a person, whether or not the depiction of that person was originally released by that person consensually. You have to be retarded to not see the problem there.

A lolcow with a thread on Kiwi Farms could, obviously, use this law to fuck over Josh when someone includes pornographic content in their thread under circumstances that obviously constitute fair-use. If you don't see the issue there, you are again retarded.

As it occurs on Kiwi Farms, there are pornographic images of adults in their lolcow threads that constitute fair-use because their inclusion is educational in nature and is not-for-profit.
 
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The definition of revenge porn would obviously include any nonconsensual depiction of a person, whether or not the depiction of that person was originally released by that person consensually. You have to be retarded to not see the problem there.

A lolcow with a thread on Kiwi Farms could, obviously, use this law to fuck over Josh when someone includes pornographic content in their thread under circumstances that obviously constitute fair-use. If you don't see the issue there, you are again retarded.
I'm well aware that it would hurt the farms, but you didn't answer how deep fakes or revenge porn equals fair use.
As it occurs on Kiwi Farms, there are pornographic images of adults in their lolcow threads that constitute fair-use because their inclusion is educational in nature and is not-for-profit.
Cool let me go upload Citizen Kane so we can discuss film theory, oh wait that's not how that works. DMCA for revenge porn will obviously fuck over the farms and false claims will be filled like regular DMCA, but trying to argue that revenge porn and deep fakes fall under fair use is dumb.
 
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I'm well aware that it would hurt the farms, but you didn't answer how deep fakes or revenge porn equals fair use.

Cool let me go upload Citizen Kane so we can discuss film theory, oh wait that's not how that works. DMCA for revenge porn will obviously fuck over the farms and false claims will be filled like regular DMCA, but trying to argue that revenge porn and deep fakes fall under fair use is dumb.
I think what @Ass to Ass is referring to is that the law is too open to interpretation on what constitutes fair use. The farms posts things that could be classified as revprn, but the intent in which it is posted here could be more accuratly described as archival material when reading the stated intent of the site. Which is enforced by the mods

Kiwifarms is a gossip site and occasionally a cheese argument board, not a porn site. Fuck off.
 
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wrong. pornhub archives porn, the same way this site archived destiny's porn or Ellen Woodbury's porn or Anisa's porn.

you are the type of user who will go full Pilpul so they won't have to admit kiwifarms hosts revenge porn.
This site doesn't advertise showing adult content, it just shows a laundry list of retards history on the uppercase I Internet.
 
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