Debate local idiots @mindlessobserver and @agendaposter on the First Amendment - Does it protect anti-Israel, anti-Jewish protesting dindus or not?

[AgendaPoster]

To not derail the main war thread where jannies are trigger happy for any "derailment", let's just have this here instead, like good users, respecting of janitorial labor and forum terms of service and rules.
More details:

https://archive.ph/73f7X

Ensuing spergout:


Video in question:

My opinion is simply that of the ACLU:

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights#im-attending-a-protest

@mindlessobserver seems to think that if the protests are against thing he dislikes, i.e. anti-Jewish, the right to protest is "abused" and should be withdrawn from such protesters.
Enjoy your sperging and don't forget tohave fun at all times!

 

[Tablet County]

Ah doon't fouking caer.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Bonus kvetching

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

You have a right to look like a stupid idiot protesting a falafel shop. The cops can probably corral them out of the street (I have only seen 21 seconds of this protest) but if they don't want to deal with it, tough luck.

 

[David Brown]

It's NEVER okay to do anything that inconveniences or scares a jew anywhere for any reason. You should be ashamed of yourself, @AgendaPoster. They are God's chosen people, and also the Holocaust! Mods please ban this antisemite.

 

[AgendaPoster]

It's NEVER okay to do anything that inconveniences or scares a jew anywhere for any reason. You should be ashamed of yourself, @AgendaPoster. They are God's chosen people, and also the Holocaust! Mods please ban this antisemite.

I'm sorry!

 

[Divine right to rule]

I don't want the police and local government to have the power to decide when protest is "acceptable" or not.
They do that here. Arabs where forbidden to hold pro-palestine demonstrations here, russians to hold pro-russia demonstrations, and they even made the nonviolent and not extremist Identitarians and their symbols illegal.

You don't want to go down that road.

 

[Asian tech support]

I think I understand @mindlessobserver's position. What did this falafel merchant do to deserve a mob of retards parking their unemployed asses on his doorstep besides being a vegan faggot? They're not protesting him or his shop really. They're protesting his assumed racial association with a bunch of dipshits halfway across the world. Unless this guy has a double life as an ambassador, this does seem like harassment. The city government is way more Jewish, go fuck with them.
Let's say you're a white guy living in Minnesota a couple years ago. Let's say some cop kneels for the national anthem on an overdosing fentanyl addict's neck across the street from your business. Let's say that later, a whole horde of fentanyl enjoyers decide that you, a honkey, by virtue of existing and owning a business, need to be heckled and otherwise unable to conduct your business and nothing you can say or do will quell the mob. For the sake of the argument, let's omit any subsequent violence, looting, and arson. This would be wrong and your only recourse would be to call the police.
If they're interfering with the guy's ability to conduct his business, then yeah the cops should disrupt the "protest" because at that point, it's become a public nuisance. If not, then it's fine I suppose. Does a bunch of kikes kvetching about perceived antisemitism on xitter make his case less palatable? Absolutely. Personally, I don't think this crowd of idiots is antisemetic enough. The only way to settle this properly is with Gangs of New York style racial mob warfare.
@Divine right to rule made an excellent point. Local authorities should not have the power to decide what is and isn't kosher. This is how you end up with niggers being niggers and the powers that be co-opting that for their own purposes.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I think I understand @mindlessobserver's position. What did this falafel merchant do to deserve a mob of retards parking their unemployed asses on his doorstep besides being a vegan faggot? They're not protesting him or his shop really. They're protesting his assumed racial association with a bunch of dipshits halfway across the world. Unless this guy has a double life as an ambassador, this does seem like harassment. The city government is way more Jewish, go fuck with them.

Guys.
This is not about your personal feelings about what is going on.
It's completely, 100% irrelevant that you FEEL and THINK that there would be more appropriate ways to protest. There are indeed, but again, it doesn't matter at all.
Amerimutts have the right to protest everything, almost anywhere on public property, like a street.
They can yell racial slurs and make wild, insane associations.
It's all irrelevant.
They also have the right to boycott and promote boycotts of anything, including boycotting Jews.
With those weird state exceptions for BDS laws that I have no idea how they are not in the Supreme Court already.
This is the price you guys pay to live in a "free" society. The fact that the falafel dude is not deserving this is not relevant to the 1A.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Depends. We have a First Amendment, so as long as they aren't breaking any other laws like public noise laws, blocking the entrance/exit, or taping signs to the property (vandalism), this is perfectly fine.

I don't think it's morally a good thing though since ideally the government would be able to break up any sort of stupid protest like this. And not just for Jews, but for any group like if the KKK is protesting a soul food restaurant that supports BLM or some gun grabbers are protesting a gun store for supporting the Second Amendment. They'd get told to fuck off and if they didn't, they'd go to prison.

 

[Pilgrim of Grace]

Unless I'm misunderstanding; mindlessobserver's foundational argument is, essentially, "what does X guy / falafel stand have to do with Y scenario?"

The obvious question is this: can you demonstrate X guy has zero impact, influence or input on Y scenario? For all he knows (and for all I know) this guy funnels his funds to Israel's war chest. He might also just be a guy serving up very mid balls of chickpeas.

Unless mindlessobserver elaborated further on whether this man is or is not somehow involved or tied to Israel, his quality of proof is equal to those protesting. This constitutes a poor foundational element to make an argument for, or against, the right to protest.


Particularly concerning is his later-on quote: "I'm so tired of children screaming about their rights".

This is somewhat a shocking admission coming from someone who, with regularity, uses a website constantly under assault from litigious perfidy. A website that could be shut down or effectively shut down--and all while this argument rages on--as agents out in the world are actively working towards this goal. The rights of a gossip forum have been superseded by the preferences of elite few. This is the case mindlessobserver is making, but on behalf of himself to silence those "kids on the left or the right" screaming about their rights.

He ought to know damn well that once your rights are gone, they are gone. And that's it.


Another statement of mindlessobserver: "but what youre arguing for here is total anarchy"

There is a pretty wide canyon between protesting a falafel shop and STEP AWAY FRUM DA GASOLEENE. This is further indication he's letting his feelings cloud the issue. If that's the argument he wants to have--one charged with emotion and feeling--that's fine, as that is his RIGHT, but he should know nothing constructive will come of it.

My .02...do with it as you will.

 

[AgendaPoster]

public noise laws

lmao

morally a good thing

also lol

ideally the government would be able to break up any sort of stupid protest like this

What you think is stupid, your government does not agree with you.
You don't have a government that knows what morality is.
You're the top world exporter of tranny and homo shit.
You're the top world exporter of BLM instability and Jewish shenanigans.
Your government cannot be trusted with any interference into the "morality" of the population.
Blumpf allowed blacks to burn out entire cities without putting the army on the streets.
Let's just not get triggered when Moshe gets called a colonizer, all of the sudden.

 

[DumbDude43]

my take is that free speech is kinda cringe, and the first amendment is one of the main reasons for why america (and the rest of the west along with it) could not defend itself against the marxist infiltration of its national institutions that has been happening for the past 50 years.

 

[AgendaPoster]

my take is that free speech is kinda cringe, and the first amendment is one of the main reasons for why america (and the rest of the west along with it) could not defend itself against the marxist infiltration of its national institutions that has been happening for the past 50 years.

That means nothing as long as the state cannot limit the speech of minorities and degenerates.
You cannot just pick and choose to limit anti-Jewish speech cause it's convenient for Israel now, and then be fully silent as Israeli officials call for ethnic cleansing.
You want to ditch the 1A?
Fine.
Show me the American government, president, VP, members of Senate that you TRUST with limiting speech.
Only 5 trusted names. That's all.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

lmao

Look I know you don't have many melanated people in your country, but if you did you'd be wishing public noise laws be enforced with the utmost seriousness.

also lol

Yes, interfering with a public business is usually a bad thing.

What you think is stupid, your government does not agree with you.
You don't have a government that knows what morality is.
You're the top world exporter of tranny and homo shit.
You're the top world exporter of BLM instability and Jewish shenanigans.
Your government cannot be trusted with any interference into the "morality" of the population.
Blumpf allowed blacks to burn out entire cities without putting the army on the streets.
Let's just not get triggered when Moshe gets called a colonizer, all of the sudden.

I said ideally, which implies a more ideal sort of US government and not the current bunch of degenerates.

 

[DumbDude43]

That means nothing as long as the state cannot limit the speech of minorities and degenerates.
You cannot just pick and choose to limit anti-Jewish speech cause it's convenient for Israel now, and then be fully silent as Israeli officials call for ethnic cleansing.
You want to ditch the 1A?
Fine.
Show me the American government, president, VP, members of Senate that you TRUST with limiting speech.
Only 5 trusted names. That's all.

i am not interested in dwelling on any specific current hypocrisies regarding ameriburgerland and their jew overlords
i think that holding free speech as an ideal in general is a self defeating position because it just means that you are putting yourself at a severe disadvantage against any opponent who does not share that ideal.
you allowing your enemy free speech makes it easier for them to dethrone you.
and once that happens, the enemy then restricts your own free speech, making it harder for you to dethrone him in turn.
free speech is a losing strategy.

 

[AgendaPoster]

i am not interested in dwelling on any specific current hypocrisies regarding ameriburgerland and their jew overlords
i think that holding free speech as an ideal in general is a self defeating position because it just means that you are putting yourself at a severe disadvantage against any opponent who does not share that ideal.

I am VERY interested, cause those inconsistencies tell the entire story of how much of a despicable golem the US is.
Where are the 5 names?
Also, if your ideas are so weak and cannot withstand any scrutiny, maybe they are shit.

Yes, interfering with a public business is usually a bad thing.

Oh shut up you're not a lolbert, stop LARPing

 

[Named User]

The ACLU is a gross Jewish organization meant specifically to usurp 1st Amendment rights from the general citizen and enforce arbitrary charges of “anTiSEmiSm” to ruin the lives of people who speak out against Jewish interests.

 

[AgendaPoster]

The ACLU is a gross Jewish organization meant specifically to usurp 1st Amendment rights from the general citizen and enforce arbitrary charges of “anTiSEmiSm” to ruin the lives of people who speak out against Jewish interests.

Are they wrong about 1A? This is an anti-Jewish protest. Don't you want it protected, if you're so preoccupied with Jewish influence?
Where are they legally mistaken?
You know what. I'm only a gypsy.
@AnOminous you're a lawyer right?
Kindly give us a legal opinion on the ACLU interpretation of 1A and the rights of protesters.

 

[Abowaffen]

My friends, look at how Israel-palestine has devided us. We must retvrn to the comfy Ukraine thread. No more brother wars.