Debate user CrunkLord420 on saving the White Race - Is Western Civilization doomed or has someone been bingeing on Terry Davis for far too long?

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The TRS thread is for drama, not talking about the finer points of White Nationalism, White identity and pro-White politics broadly. Our dear moderator has this whopper of a post here which I think merits debate.
whites are beyond saving.

I want to emphasize that whites are not doomed because they were defeated by an external force. It was their own ideology in which they advocated their own replacement. It took the threat of homelessness for whites to take pause, and despite that it largely continues. These countries are democracies. While I recognize the flaws of democracy I do not believe the democratic vote is subverted. I believe the political representatives elected by the people largely reflect their constituents. Immigration being the perfect example, every redditor whining about immigration was advocating for it 2 years ago. They've simply changed their mind because of changing material conditions. They don't even acknowledge they've changed their mind. Of course they'll prefix their grumbles with "I love immigrants.. but...". If it wasn't for the fact their rent literally doubled they'd still be talking about how much they love it, they don't even care if your rent doubled, just as long as it doesn't cut into their goyslop budget.

Before you cope, talking about manufactured consent, if you're weak enough to fall for the shallow propaganda you are simply nigger cattle. There's no difference between a genuine belief and "subverted" weak mind. People are who they are, and believe what they believe, even if it's a cargo cult idea. You cannot break a person into constituent parts like that. It's like when people say "if Terry Davis wasn't schizophrenic...", yeah well he was, and if he wasn't then his life would be totally different and he'd essentially be a different person.

Some will call this "blackpilling" or "demoralization" but these are spooks, it's just the truth. Ignoring the truth is controlled opposition behavior. If you can acknowledge the truth you can begin to construct paths forward. Striker unfortunately believes that whites are something they are not

Is Western Civ too far gone? You decide.
 
Crunklord is right.

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About basically nothing.
He is a habitual seether with resentment and impotence driven opinions on important issues.
He SEEMS right cause his opponents are a bunch of 45 yrs olds deathfats that are similarly suspicious.
Also, he is an NRx Moldberg simp, has an anime avi, and is suspiciously anti-Palestinian liberation.
We need a genetic test.
BTW, simping for wannabe pseudo-elite dark elf Curtis Yarvin puts you in a turbo-SUBMISSIVE position, as he wants to RULE over you, not with you.
That alone should disqualify anyone that comes with opinions derived from what Yarvin is preaching.
 
I've only been following the recent TRS shit tangentially (Rand's stream was a fun bit of retardation as is everything that drunken denthead faggot gets involved with) but just looking at how much he likes saying "spook" this or "spook" that, ol' Crunky seems like the kind of guy who saw a Stirner meme on 4chan once and decided to make it his entire personality.
 
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I've only been following the recent TRS shit tangentially (Rand's stream was a fun bit of retardation as is everything that drunken denthead faggot gets involved with) but just looking at how much he likes saying "spook" this or "spook" that, ol' Crunky seems like the kind of guy who saw a Stirner meme on 4chan once and decided to make it his entire personality.
spoken like who hasn't despookified themselves lately
 
The funny thing is I actually have an unread copy of The Ego and His Own sitting around somewhere under a pile of other shit I never got around to, maybe this thread will give me the motivation to actually dig it up.
 
About basically nothing.
He is a habitual seether with resentment and impotence driven opinions on important issues.
He SEEMS right cause his opponents are a bunch of 45 yrs olds deathfats that are similarly suspicious.
Also, he is an NRx Moldberg simp, has an anime avi, and is suspiciously anti-Palestinian liberation.
We need a genetic test.
BTW, simping for wannabe pseudo-elite dark elf Curtis Yarvin puts you in a turbo-SUBMISSIVE position, as he wants to RULE over you, not with you.
That alone should disqualify anyone that comes with opinions derived from what Yarvin is preaching.

Ad hominems are just another form of cope.

Everythng is corrupted and rotten. In fact, the corruption and the rot runs that deep that nothing can be salvaged. We are ruled by corporations, faggots, jews, pedos, rapists and freaks and there is no opposition, just controlled opposition. Smash everything, eat the rich and then we rebuild. Go back to barbarism and burn the foul empire down. We have done it with Rome, we can do it now. Destroy the USA. Destroy Canada. Destroy Europe and destroy the EU. And don't spare neither Australia nor New Zealand. Shitty faggot pseudo Englands need to die anyways.
 
I wouldn't listen to anything the TRS niggers have to say. These days TRS is just a shadow of its former self. It used to be hip cool and funny. Now it's just old sad stupid and grifting off autistic mouth breathing basement dwellers that are in their late 20's 30's and pushing into their 40's in same cases. I was in my early 30's when I stumbled across them from a YouTube video. I'm now 39. They have been around for nearly a decade and haven't managed to do anything meaningful.

I wouldn't listen to anything they have to say about any topic really. If they say something, it's usually the opposite.
 
Ad hominems are just another form of cope.

Everythng is corrupted and rotten. In fact, the corruption and the rot runs that deep that nothing can be salvaged. We are ruled by corporations, faggots, jews, pedos, rapists and freaks and there is no opposition, just controlled opposition. Smash everything, eat the rich and then we rebuild. Go back to barbarism and burn the foul empire down. We have done it with Rome, we can do it now. Destroy the USA. Destroy Canada. Destroy Europe and destroy the EU. And don't spare neither Australia nor New Zealand. Shitty faggot pseudo Englands need to die anyways.
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Are you still transgender or did you give up on that?
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Ad hominems are just another form of cope.

Everythng is corrupted and rotten. In fact, the corruption and the rot runs that deep that nothing can be salvaged. We are ruled by corporations, faggots, jews, pedos, rapists and freaks and there is no opposition, just controlled opposition. Smash everything, eat the rich and then we rebuild. Go back to barbarism and burn the foul empire down. We have done it with Rome, we can do it now. Destroy the USA. Destroy Canada. Destroy Europe and destroy the EU. And don't spare neither Australia nor New Zealand. Shitty faggot pseudo Englands need to die anyways.
The main point of contention in all of this seems to be the "how" rather than the "what" or "why". It doesn't take a genius to see that TRS and other similar groups/online personalities are useless at best (and even that's probably being way too generous). Calling something like White Nationalism as a whole a useless dead end ideology with a history of failure is hard to argue against in objective terms even if it's upsetting to some. Recognizing entropy on a civilizational and ideological scale is all well and good, because even ideas and movements do inevitably erode into husks of their former selves over time. You could even convincingly argue that Western Civilization is already dying or dead and there's nothing that can be done to save it because every civilization eventually collapses.

Let's say we accept all these arguments at face value. Following from that how does one act on this knowledge? If everything is already persisting in an irreparable state of decay how do you as an individual who recognizes that fact then go about destroying this rotting monolithic husk you're enveloped in? I can't claim to have any convincing or genuinely useful answers to this question myself and I don't think anyone else does either.
 
If everything is already persisting in an irreparable state of decay how do you as an individual who recognizes that fact then go about destroying this rotting monolithic husk you're enveloped in?
You simply don't.
You need connections and mass politics with simple shared goals and a stated desire to set aside secondary issues.
Either there is a mortal danger that the Europeans face and they HAVE to work together according to their survival instincts and fight between themselves later, or there's no danger and we just gonna rock&roll like it's the 60s cause all's fucking great and there's nothing to worry about.
 
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whites are beyond saving.
Then for the sake of argument: any white person who legitimately believes this has little to no reason not to rope, family excluded. Then again, a good family isn't a guarantee. Hell, most people don't even have friends. Either everyone gets demotivated and gives up, or we finally say enough is enough and start a revolution like they do in other countries to varying degrees of success. What other options do we have at this time except blind optimism and perseverance until the very end? People fear the man with a lot to gain, but they should fear the men who have nothing to lose.

I want to emphasize that whites are not doomed because they were defeated by an external force. It was their own ideology in which they advocated their own replacement. It took the threat of homelessness for whites to take pause, and despite that it largely continues. These countries are democracies. While I recognize the flaws of democracy I do not believe the democratic vote is subverted. I believe the political representatives elected by the people largely reflect their constituents. Immigration being the perfect example, every redditor whining about immigration was advocating for it 2 years ago. They've simply changed their mind because of changing material conditions. They don't even acknowledge they've changed their mind. Of course they'll prefix their grumbles with "I love immigrants.. but...". If it wasn't for the fact their rent literally doubled they'd still be talking about how much they love it, they don't even care if your rent doubled, just as long as it doesn't cut into their goyslop budget.

Before you cope, talking about manufactured consent, if you're weak enough to fall for the shallow propaganda you are simply nigger cattle. There's no difference between a genuine belief and "subverted" weak mind. People are who they are, and believe what they believe, even if it's a cargo cult idea. You cannot break a person into constituent parts like that. It's like when people say "if Terry Davis wasn't schizophrenic...", yeah well he was, and if he wasn't then his life would be totally different and he'd essentially be a different person.
I don't necessarily disagree with your main arguments and I think I have even expressed a number of these points in prior posts. Heckin science and fancy statistical models enabled a dangerous level of idealism in broader society. With this current recession (or whatever you choose to call it), there were some infamous articles in the media about economists projecting that printing all of that money wouldn't cause inflation. Since the math appears to check out and most people are terrible at stats, anyone who asks questions is shouted down as a retarded science denier and literally Hitler.

We can extend the concept I mentioned above to all of the other catastrophic policies and decisions made in the past few decades, like multiculturalism (China Town? Never heard of it. Everyone lives together in perfect harmony like we were taught in school!); WMDs in Iraq; solving population declines with the Infinite Brown People glitch instead of addressing the factors that keep people from reproducing; to name a few. Expecting the average person to use their brain for anything except speaking and moving from room to room is incredibly wishful thinking. We have evolved to be lazy in most aspects as nature's way of saving energy, so any excuse to offload one's thinking onto anyone who speaks convincingly and confidently enough. This is a problem with all people, and any sufficiently powerful group will inevitably rot from within like we're seeing here.

Some will call this "blackpilling" or "demoralization" but these are spooks, it's just the truth. Ignoring the truth is controlled opposition behavior. If you can acknowledge the truth you can begin to construct paths forward. Striker unfortunately believes that whites are something they are not.
Well said.


Some of this may be a bit incomplete. I have to go make dinner, so I can't do much proofreading. I can follow up on it in a bit.
 
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